Disagree - when has a Mourinho team gone out and attacked a rival away from home. He is a highly successful and conservative tactical manager. It has worked well in his career - why change it now.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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We knew about Jose's philosophy before appointing him. He won't be changing it now it seems.
I see the JCLs are back in full force.
There was also a lot of talk about him needing to adapt to the 'United Way' etc.
Sir Alex used similar tactics several times against the big teams away. you do what you have to do to ensure you get what you want. i was as depressed as you during the game, raging about Valencia's and Darmian's brainless clearance's but i'm pretty sure we won't be speaking about those games when we win titles. and it's just a matter of when.
Well he did to a certain degree. we play like that during the big games away only and as i said, even Sir Alex used these tactics before.
I don't particularly disagree with that view of him. Or that folk might not want him for other stuff (either or as well).
I guess I'm not liking the 'disloyalty' to the team/club - which doesn't look a super-strong argument of mine when I type it down or...
I'm taking the view that based just on today the criticism is over the top - and we do know his tendency to strangle games rather than attacking with complete disregard.
2nd half today was dismal, 1st was just about reasonable, I think things are going OK. Bit early to be laying into the Manager for what he's done here at Utd, imo.
I'm also prepared to play the 'work in progress' card if necessary - Pogba injured, Darmian playing... no Bailly, Rashford maturing, Ashley Young starting.. well, I'd rather do that than call him a 'coward' & similar anyway (not you MHM)
I'm also happy we got a point at Anfield against them lot, despite hardly playing for 1/2 of the game.
Why are we talking about Mourinho here. I mean Klopp has again complained about how a team has played against him. Why not say a word about Klopp and his tactics. When an opposing team doesn't just come and play like he wants them to he complains. Nobody cares about dear Klopp and his beautiful football...
I think the difference with SAF was that he would usually have some ball carrying pace in the team to provide an outlet other than hoofing it at your centre forward & hoping it sticks or produces a corner / free kick. We hardly ever got up the park 2nd half with any controlled possession did we?
They have months of pent up moaning to let out after all.
Spot on.
Who are JCLs? 
You just described 99% of our PL wins at Anfield.
We did the same at Southampton. Then there's last season. Then there's Mourinho's history.
So disagree or not with the point but it's based on more than 45 mins.
Spot on. Jose should have abandoned all his principles and actually played 1 defender and 9 strikers so Klopps plan a could work because it's not like he can come up with a plan b against teams that dig in and defend.
Klopp 'the attacking purist' played a defensive midfield three against a lacklustre midfield two and refused to take one of them out for an attacker, he should shut his stupid mouth.
Jonny Come Lately, a newcomer. I.e a glory hunter.Who are JCLs?
I doubt we have many JCLs anymore given the tumescent crap we have had to put up with since Moyes - think you need to visit a city or Chelsea forum pal
Much appreciated proving my point.
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Take away with Klopp is he still can't change a game. He changes players, but the system is just the same. Pretty obvious he was looking for a bit of magic from Coutinho as Liverpool were not going to get through any other way.
On the positive for him, the team were up for it and were hunting in packs which really led to United wasting the ball.
On the positive for him, the team were up for it and were hunting in packs which really led to United wasting the ball.
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City won’t go there praying for a point like we did. That’s the difference. I’d rather play to win and actually have a go. Pretty sure City will dominate the game and win anyway.
That is true, and the same goes for many/all of the best teams. We have to remember that Liverpool are not an elite team at all, just look at their line-up! Today we did not play a game suited to the strength of our players, we played to the strength of our manager. I am pretty sure the mood in the dressing room was grim after the match today, certainly no-one would have celebrated a tie without creating even a shot in the second half.
Some teams commit suicide like Arsenal did, but they were just naive and incredibly weak. And also, they are not that good anymore. One point is OK, but looking ahead to City, Chelsea and Spurs - I don’t think it’s going to be much different. Imagine playing City today, we would have lost so hard with that line-up.
Why the feck would you post that photo as some kind of joke? You find yourself funny?Much appreciated proving my point.
We are the self proclaimed biggest club in the world, so it’s about time we started acting like it on the pitch. We should be carrying at least the same amount of arrogance and boldness on the ball the best sides do. We’ve let our standards slip so badly. It started with the club or SAF, hard to say who, not investing when it was needed and it’s left us so far behind. We’ve been behind City for at least 5 years now bar one season where RVP singlehandedly won us the league. To me that’s just not acceptable but to others it seems like it is. Maybe I just want my club to be the best of the best, not a huge fan of settling.
Nice picMuch appreciated proving my point.
Er, yea, in the last 15 minutes we had several stints of sustained control in their half.
Of course.
Bottomline is Klopp is complaining we played defensive while Mourinho is complaining Klopp didn't take off a midfielder for an attacker and open himself up as he hoped for.
In a nutshell, both are complaining the other manager didn't naively play into the other's hands, and José does have a point it should have been Jurgen. We are 2nd, they are 8th.
In a nutshell, both are complaining the other manager didn't naively play into the other's hands, and José does have a point it should have been Jurgen. We are 2nd, they are 8th.
He's playing the way I expected him to eventually once he got the players in to play a more transition counter based game.
It works for him and people either love it or hate it.
Look football no doubt was a game for many intended to be played with a purists intent, beautiful and synergistic. In fact though there's more than one route to to the end goal. The poet comment he made aligned with the expectations of how a United manager should play means for him to be kept on he needs tangible results which to his credit he's always provided throughout his career. No doubt the sense does also in fact seep in that clubs do tolerate him to an extent. In short controlled bursts he'll give you exactly what you crave, but at the world's biggest you do need a certain creative expression whence abstinence from will see you on a one way ticket out, without results.
That is probably the key word, results. It's why he's so successful and why he's also so heavily divisive for a fan base despite his overflowing cabinet. I mean he might end up as the most successful manger of all time. You could honestly picture him undertaking the underdog role and driving Portugal to a World cup win in the future. He's a winner, a different breed of winner perhaps but a winner nonetheless.
Klopp just needs better players, and something tells me he doesn't know it. Seems he's the sort of bloke that thinks he can make lemonade out of green lemons. Nothing wrong with how they play or his tactics, a lot wrong with the quality in his side. If Pool had better attackers, we were done for in that match as we offered absolutely nothing apart from away support. Sometimes i think he doesn't get the simple things about football. Get in great finishers and goals will be the order of the day, put a makeshift attacking midfielder with mediocre ball striking up top, you'll create chances to no avail. Look at Salah, devastating pace, dribbling and movement. Poor finishing. How does he expect them to finish their chances?
Mediocre defenders equals mediocre defending if the team is put in those situations. City can get away with it now cause no one can get at their defence, but Pep will face the consequences once they play better teams that can play through their pressure later in the CL. Klopp still refuses to buy defenders. Mingolet is still their keeper. One thing you have to admire Madrid for is that they take the quality of their squad seriously and wouldn't let some of these issues linger for as long as some of these teams do.
Mediocre defenders equals mediocre defending if the team is put in those situations. City can get away with it now cause no one can get at their defence, but Pep will face the consequences once they play better teams that can play through their pressure later in the CL. Klopp still refuses to buy defenders. Mingolet is still their keeper. One thing you have to admire Madrid for is that they take the quality of their squad seriously and wouldn't let some of these issues linger for as long as some of these teams do.
This thread has gone down the gutter.
Klopp once more manages to demonstrate that he only has one page in his tactical book and his brilliant heavy metal football couldn‘t break down the worst performing Utd this season. Yet almost every post is complaining about Mourinho.
Back on track: Klopp is so one dimensional, so tactically inept, so overrated, his excuses week in, week out are as pathetic as his fake humbleness.
Klopp once more manages to demonstrate that he only has one page in his tactical book and his brilliant heavy metal football couldn‘t break down the worst performing Utd this season. Yet almost every post is complaining about Mourinho.
Back on track: Klopp is so one dimensional, so tactically inept, so overrated, his excuses week in, week out are as pathetic as his fake humbleness.
TBF, Klopp must have forgotten his script. The below line should go hand in hand with what Klopp sincerely meant.
"L'pool has the biggest game of the season vs Man Utd, but Man Utd just sees it as another league game"
"L'pool has the biggest game of the season vs Man Utd, but Man Utd just sees it as another league game"
Yes, he is also one of the most decorated managers proving his methods work. So what's the problem?
There's also Mourinho's history of winning trophies. So similarly 45min of negative tactics does not undo his achievements.
Please use the United forum threads for posts that are about Mourinho.
It's a fecking draw away to the scousers. Stop being so dramatic. We're not getting relegated here
If our players can't hold the ball under pressure and can't string more than 3 passes together, why are people blaming Mourinho for it?
Klopp's a being a bit of a fraud here with this statement. If he was such a positive manager, he'd have kept Coutinho on and subbed one of his 3 centre midfielders out.