Our original target of Top 4 will do me perfectly for a season with a very small squad riddled by injuries.
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If we'd have had a net spend of £153 million over the past 2 years I'd certainly have expected us to have put some silverware in the cabinet. What I wouldn't have expected however is the possibility of maybe not finishing in the top 4 for 2 seasons on the bounce.
You've spent plenty of cash over the years so let's not pretend otherwise based on the last few seasons.
And?
Are you saying you'd rather Origi and Lucas over Pogba, Sane, Rashford, Mkhitaryan, Mata?
It's sad to see the fans ambition. I remember when you were a big club!
Our net spend over the past 8 years is lower than what you've spent in the last 2 (£145 million). That equates to an average of £18 million per season. A lot of that money has come from enforced sales of players - Mascherano - Torres - Suarez - Sterling - top players who left us as a weaker unit when they cut & run. How many similar players have United lost over that period ? Ferguson left a legacy of a title winning side, plus enough revenue generated to be able to compete with the other top clubs, not just in England, but in Spain, Germany, etc. Here we are nearly 4 years later & you're in a position whereby there's a strong possibility that you'll finish below us for the 2nd time in that 4 years.
Is that what you think I'm saying ? Jesus Christ.
Net Spend over past 2 seasons.
United's consistency at 5th
Fittingly Arsenal will end this table at 4th too, probably.
Where did I say I'd want Lucas above others?
I said 'fun fact' because it's kind of ridiculous that Lucas has assembled a few assists recently having gone about 100 games with just one. Pogba obviously a more dynamic and talented footballer, which is why it's amusing.
Really is shocking looking at that table and seeing United miles behind in goals scored.
I wonder how a fully fit Liverpool side (one with Mane, Coutinho and Henderson) would play against Real Madrid (the best team in the world right now).
Logic would tell you that they'd get battered because obviously Madrid have a lot more quality, but something tells me that they would make a good fight of it. They thrive on big games and don't let top class players (like Pogba, Aguero, Hazard, Sanchez, etc...) intimidate them.
I think they would do a better job than any other English team.
Logic would tell you that they'd get battered because obviously Madrid have a lot more quality, but something tells me that they would make a good fight of it. They thrive on big games and don't let top class players (like Pogba, Aguero, Hazard, Sanchez, etc...) intimidate them.
I think they would do a better job than any other English team.
You're trapped in your own point. You could paint that so many ways.
1st up, Net Spend takes into account the fact you spent little on the players you mentioned and sold them for a fortune. If you hadn't sold them, your net spend would be way higher.
2nd, United buy high and sell cheap. A bad plan but it's been the case. We don't necessarily get a £30m player for £30m as Liverpool can/would.
If Liverpool bought a whole team for £300m that same team would cost us £50-100m more.
Absolutely accept that United should be doing better than 5th after all that money spent though. It's still relevant, just not the be all and end all.
Net spend also doesn't consider players who are already at the club or players who were signed just before the timeframe that is considered and sold within the timeframe that is considered. For example, Suarez was signed for 20 Million and sold for 60M, 20M is not considered at all because of the timeframe used.
Net spend without context is useless.
I find it funny that Liverpool fans love to go on about net epend as though it's an achievement when it wins them nothing.
We sit lower than you in the spending table, yet have a good chance of finishing above you again in the league table. That's my point.
We once won 3 trophies in one season & you laughed at us. Arsenal have won a couple of trophies in recent seasons under Wenger, & you laugh at them.
So what's your point ?
I hope Origi is there main striker for the coming years, that'd mean they will never win anything in the coming years as well. He is a talented player but so obviously will never be of the highest level. But then again Im not sure Martial will be either.
Think we laughed at Liverpool because you called it a treble, not because you won 3 trophies.
So tell me then about the context of United's net spend over recent years. In the context of everything are you where you feel you should be ? Like I said in my earlier post, the likes of United - & City & Chelsea - very rarely have their top players taken away from them by richer clubs. 4 years ago you had a title winning squad & a regular substantial transfer budget - which you've not been slow in using - & yet in terms of where a massive club, with massive resources should be (competing for titles & The Champions League) you're currently some way off that goal. All things considered, even without the trophies, I feel my club is probably doing better than expected.
Net spending is an indicator of the financial strength of certain clubs & the advantage they have. I'd love my club to be able to spunk £153 million in just a couple of years & not lose any of our current top players. I'd also expect more return than just a couple of cups though.
ManUtd's spend is higher as there was lot of Ins and outs. From Fergie team only few players are in the squad. We changed the whole squad so obviously our net spend will be higher as the young players who were at the club weren't rated highly by successive managers. It's like endless loop.
No, I'm not happy with where we are considering the money spent. There was lot of transfers activity as Van Gaal wanted to clear the squad and then Jose didn't rate Van Gaal's signing. Not ideal situation but that's how it is.
In the last 5 years Liverpool spent 410 Million pounds and won nothing. That's a huge sum for not winning anything.
Doesn't matter what it was called, we won 3 trophies & you tried to ridicule that achievement. Now, not winning trophies is ridicule material.
Please dont remove the context, United is the only club who has won THE treble, FA Cup, Champions League and Premier League in one season. When Liverpool won thise 3 trophies and also called it the treble, we laughed at it as we thought it was a bit embarassing. Not because you won those 3 cups. You just cant call it a treble when we have won the actual treble, or you can but will get ridiculed.
You lost your best player because he was sold, we lost our best player because he was aged. Not big difference. We lost entire core as they all retired, so we have to buy whole new team. Net spend won't show in our favor as we don't rely on selling players, under SAF it's was getting player for long term. Players like Rio, Evra, Vidic, VDS who are all undoubted world class players gave their best years and retired or left for nothing.
Players like RVP won us the title and went for nothing. Now we have players like Rooney, Carrick who won everything at club level, played for more than 10 years and will leave for nothing.
Balance sheet shows we spent 27 Million on Rooney and 18 Million on Carrick without recouping anything but Liverpool balance sheet shows they break even with players like Benteke or 40 Million profit on Suarez who left without winning anything. That's why net spend without context is useless.
And that's why we ridicule Liverpool.
Well there's context for you in a nutshell. A fair whack of that money came about through losing players we didn't want to lose. Add to that the retirements of players like Gerrard & Carragher, & that's over half a side of top players all needing to be replaced within the space of a few seasons. Your managers since Ferguson has retired have spent money mainly trying to improve things. We've spent it on trying to replace key players. Can you honestly not see that ?
I've got news for you mate. Away from the safety of The Caf a lot of people actually laugh at United.
No. Money was spent to completely overhaul the squad. You talk about retirements, we have players like VDS, Rio, Vidic, Evra who all retired or left for nothing. That's a whole new defense we had to buy. Then we have Scholes, Giggs who retired around same time.
How many players from SAF team are still in the squad? De Gea, Jones, Smalling, Carrick, Rooney, Valencia. That's just 6 players. So we completly overhauled the squad so obviously our net spend will be higher as most of our players left for nothing or retired.
I thought everyone loved us......
I do...........secretly.
Your title winning squad - which included Young btw - finished 28 points ahead of us in 2013. We only have 4 players left from that side - Sturridge, Coutinho, Henderson, & Lucas - So please excuse me if I struggle to see your reasoning as to why you've spent so much in the past 4 years & not even got close to winning the league. Especially when you consider a lot of those signings came with a good reputation & high expectations.
My point is you have won nothing so you can get off your high horse.
Despite struggling following the departure of Sir Alex we have still surpassed you as the most successful club in England.
Must stick in the throat a bit that.
Yeah we haven't lost any key players.
Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs, Evra..
Do you even have any idea what you're talking about?
Seeing you fall off your high horse has helped my sore throat.
Thanks for your concern anyway.
The team that finished 20 points ahead of us (in 2013-14) spent 300 Million and didn't win anything since then.
So just like ManUtd, Liverpool also spent huge money, at least ManUtd won something.
Up to 1990 Liverpool were the big fish in the pond gobbling up everybody's else's best players with the biggest wedge of the Euro money in their pocket.
Shall we name them - Dalglish, Lawrenson, Souness, Wark, Houghton, Barnes, clogger McMahon & excellent scouting to find fantastically good players relatively cheap. Very good for cheap is relatively rare now. Everything was great then with your 4 & 5 times olde bollocks, now it's all wrong is it?
The difference is Utd will be back cos we will just throw more money at it until it comes right. Liverpool might be fecked, forever, (hopefully).
One League Cup in 10 years. Walk on.
Shall we name them - Dalglish, Lawrenson, Souness, Wark, Houghton, Barnes, clogger McMahon & excellent scouting to find fantastically good players relatively cheap. Very good for cheap is relatively rare now. Everything was great then with your 4 & 5 times olde bollocks, now it's all wrong is it?
The difference is Utd will be back cos we will just throw more money at it until it comes right. Liverpool might be fecked, forever, (hopefully).
One League Cup in 10 years. Walk on.
& how many of those players were poached by other clubs ? That's right, none. There's no comparison sunshine. Our failings have come about through mainly having top players leave for others clubs. Your failings have come through not signing adequate replacements for those players nearing the end of their careers at United. Not quite as easy as it sounds though eh ? Regardless of how much money you throw at it.
I suspect you're another one of those United fans who came into world just as United were on the up & we started our decline. I also suspect you're struggling with LAF (life after Fergie), hence your warped & inane ramblings on such threads. You'd do well to keep clear until you can actually put forward a sensible & reasoned argument.
Actually, United spent more than us in the 70's & 80's. Big money signings were based on how much club brought through the gates. Prize money for winning trophies was next to nothing. It's the tv money & advertising that brings about the big bucks now. That's why United are as wealthy as they are. Do you want me to list all the big names you signed during that 20 year period ? I even remember Shankly was on the verge of signing Lou Macari in 1973 only for United snatch him from under our very noses. Macari claimed he felt he had a better chance of winning trophies at OT. The following year he played in the United side that got relegated.
If the rivalry is all we're concerned about. I would concede that if Utd come out of this season having won Lge Cup & Europa (4th is gone, lets not get involved in that). Liverpool will have been done over, really. The real proper quality in the 2 squads (being compared) is pretty even for me, atm.
Make of that what you will. £ for £, LFC got the edge, atm. Or ought to have.
Make of that what you will. £ for £, LFC got the edge, atm. Or ought to have.