That is insane money for Lovren. 
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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FFS that's not good news.
Probably bollocks. Boateng, Chiellini and Bonucci all earn at least 130-150k a week.
Koscielny probably earns more than 100k too.
He doesn't 75k
Simply not true. It's a facht.
Average squad age overall: 25,6 (Transfermarkt)
Start 11 squad age: Average squad age: 26,09
(Approx most games):
Mignolet (29)
Clyne (26) - Matip (25) - Lovren (27) - Milner (31)
Can (23) - Henderson (26) - Wijnaldum (26)
Mane (25) - Firmino (25) - Coutinho (24)
Clyne (26) - Matip (25) - Lovren (27) - Milner (31)
Can (23) - Henderson (26) - Wijnaldum (26)
Mane (25) - Firmino (25) - Coutinho (24)
Well caught ! And very strange because I know early this season (or maybe last ? Time flies) we and Spurs were fielding the youngest teams. Even Lallana's 27. Must have been when Karius, Woodburn, Grujic, AA etc started a couple of games for us. Or maybe in the cups. I should have checked my facts.
I didn't check again but IIRC ManUtd had second youngest team in the league after Spurs.
Surely depends on starters because with Rooney, Ibra, Carrick, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Mata etc. you have a few boosting that ave. age.
Rooney, Carrick, Smalling are not regular starters. I'm not sure whether it's the squad or first team I read about.
The official LFC twitter page is pure gold today 
The comments under the original 'Lovren signs long term deal' Tweet is popcorn tastic!
The comments under the original 'Lovren signs long term deal' Tweet is popcorn tastic!
Fair fecks, that new jersey is sharp.
He doesn't half get them going long/direct these days.
Either a) he learnt an awful lot from the master Jose during our encounters or b) he's just a silly man
Either a) he learnt an awful lot from the master Jose during our encounters or b) he's just a silly man
Origi is absolutely shit
I disagree with the general consensus on this forum that Liverpool have an average squad. I see the quality of players like Coutinho, Mane, Firmino, Lallana. Can, and even Sturridge. I don't think that they are world class, but I can see their qualities.
Origi however is absolutely useless. He scores very little for a striker, he doesn't hold the ball up, his first touch is atrocious, and he is spectacularly wasteful in possession. I see literally no redeeming quality in this player.
I disagree with the general consensus on this forum that Liverpool have an average squad. I see the quality of players like Coutinho, Mane, Firmino, Lallana. Can, and even Sturridge. I don't think that they are world class, but I can see their qualities.
Origi however is absolutely useless. He scores very little for a striker, he doesn't hold the ball up, his first touch is atrocious, and he is spectacularly wasteful in possession. I see literally no redeeming quality in this player.
He looked really promising last season under klopp.
Shown nothing except some handy goals this season.
Jesus he certainly abandoned his apparent sexy football didn't he. State of the stuff they play these days.
Managers who either don't inherit a great defence or lack the capability to build one rarely win league titles. So it wouldn't surprise me if he neither him nor Pep ever wins the PL. The managers who won or come close like Fergie, Jose, Mancini & Conte all built sturdy defensive line ups.
Origi is worse than I could have imagined. Has had a good, long run out now to stake his claim and just shown he does nothing all game, every game. That run of 6 games where he kept scoring was such a false mask. We need two top notch CBs and 3 top class forwards at this rate. Sell Sturridge AND Origi to anyone who's interested.
As for the long ball, its working. Stuff the pretty, neat football that lower division teams have sussed. I want to give them their own medicine and get as many points in the process as possible at this stage of the season. Klopp is 'learning' nothing from Jose, we either lose (get zero points) or we fecking win (3 points). None of this 25 games record where we finish 1-1 crap.
As for the long ball, its working. Stuff the pretty, neat football that lower division teams have sussed. I want to give them their own medicine and get as many points in the process as possible at this stage of the season. Klopp is 'learning' nothing from Jose, we either lose (get zero points) or we fecking win (3 points). None of this 25 games record where we finish 1-1 crap.
Think they'll really struggle next season with all the added games coupled with their inability to compete financially with the other big teams in the league. They won't be able to attract the top players like Chelsea/City/United can. Even Spurs can probably attract players of higher quality than they can.
I saw a article in Sportske novosti, Croatian sports paper, Lovren said he wants to be remembered as a Liverpool legend in the future.
Well good luck with that Dejan.
Well good luck with that Dejan.
He has been dreadful for us when you look at how much we paid. There is no getting away from that, plus he's been given a pay rise for feck knows why, but he's signed up now so I'll just have to support him. He has improved though. He's good enough to be playing for your national side as well, surely better option to start than Corluka.
Just like Skrtel, Lovren is on course to achieve the East European leg end status he craves.
Suppose you could argue he deserves praise for that, adapting and improving their defence etc.
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We havent improved, we've just been lucky that the roll of the dice helter skelter in the penalty box went our way this time. We cannot grind out wins without scoring wonder goals and its a skill we really really need to learn.
Klopp mentioned after the Leicester loss that he'd adopt a more pragmatic approach due to the need for a fourth place finish. If we get fourth I'm not complaining..
Also, if Watford scored that (their only) chance in the 93rd minute, I think I'd have gone into complete meltdown.
Also, if Watford scored that (their only) chance in the 93rd minute, I think I'd have gone into complete meltdown.
Honestly, 'attracting the higher calibre of player ' has proved to have little influence this season. I know there is no substitute for quality, but consider this season, the top 3 premier league teams are where they are, not because of buying a calibre of player no one else can. These have been the best coached teams (particularly the top 2) with a system in place, and players who fit into that system. Buying a higher calibre of player of course can help you through games at times, with moments of quality but I do not advocate it over a good system.
It's about buying the right player. I'm not making the argument that Liverpool are good at buying 'the right player. ' I'm arguing against buying a player of higher calibre just because they are available even if a team has more pressing needs. As a quick example, Manchester United paid 90m for Pogba. For That money you could get Kante, Kovacic and Rabiot (not sure he was available, but insert young dm with high potential here). That is is enough money to rebuild an entire midfield on players who don't have the same prestige as Pogba. That is likely going to be a more functional midfield than Manchester United currently have.
With the budget we have (Liverpool) we should be able to buy the players we need. And if we have an unsuccessful season next season, you can guarantee it is because we got the wrong players (Andy Carroll, Benteke, Lambert, Balotelli e.t.c)
I haven't seen any improvement personally.
Hmmmm, LvG all over again.
Tbh I feel better seeing Ćorluka and Vida as CBs although Lovren is a better player than both.
Also there's Mitrovic, young guy playing for Besiktas.
Problem with Lovren is that he's an accident waiting to happen and he's hot headed. Also as one Liverpool fan said here he thinks he's better than he is and makes mistakes cause of that.
He's not in good relations with our NT coach, he demanded that he has to be in a starting lineup for Euro and then coach didn't call him for that at all. Basically he acted like a dick.
I'm refusing to mock them when they win and we drop points yet again. They're deservedly above us and it looks like its the way its gonna stay, looking at our run-in.
Not sure I totally agree with that.
Pogba has been very good this season. One of the best CMs in the league statistically. Obviously Kante would be a shoe in but how would the other two hold up against that?
Too simplistic to go down that route.
Obviously getting the right players whatever the cost is key, that's just common sense, but to complete at the very highest level you'll need more than Can, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Lovren, Mingolet etc..
Firmly believe Liverpool's issue this season hasn't been a lack of quality in the first choice XI. It's been an inability to accommodate injuries and player absence.
I wouldn't wish to see any sales from the first XI - it's now a matter of building on what already exists. I think Liverpool will be better next season with better options. If CL qualification happens Klopp will be buying from a stronger position compared to previous windows. That's important because I think he's done well in the market so far all things considered.
I wouldn't wish to see any sales from the first XI - it's now a matter of building on what already exists. I think Liverpool will be better next season with better options. If CL qualification happens Klopp will be buying from a stronger position compared to previous windows. That's important because I think he's done well in the market so far all things considered.
Jurgen Klopp has done really well so far, he hasn't won a trophy, true, but still has reached several milestones.
Our squad was in disarray when he came. In only a few transfer windows we now have a platform to build from, some kind of basis for future development. We look genuinely solid in attack and midfield. Sturridge's injury probably cost Rodgers his job; Klopp, in the same predicament, has us in third and in two finals, albeit with one added key signing (Mane).
Our record against the top sides has been excellent, undefeated this season, that is very impressive.
Defense is all bar a shambles, needs sorting and quick.
Injuries are an issue, we need to work out why we keep on having crocked players all the time.
Transfers have largely been good, nowt special but better than previous managers. Lack of activity this winter has been costly though. Squad needs new recruits, good ones too.
League
We have recorded more points this season than in 7 of the previous 8, and there are still 3 games to go; that is good in anyone's book. We would have reached the Champions League as well, which for us is pretty good when you consider that we haven't been competing regularly since Benitez left. All this against a United, City and Chelsea assembling virtual super squads, Tottenham in the best form of their Premiership lives.
Europa League; excellent - runners up last season
League cup; excellent - runners up, semi final
Fa Cup; poor - we have been poor in this trophy, need to field a full strength side next season and stop faffing around, he isn't the only LFC manager guilty of this in the competition.
Our squad was in disarray when he came. In only a few transfer windows we now have a platform to build from, some kind of basis for future development. We look genuinely solid in attack and midfield. Sturridge's injury probably cost Rodgers his job; Klopp, in the same predicament, has us in third and in two finals, albeit with one added key signing (Mane).
Our record against the top sides has been excellent, undefeated this season, that is very impressive.
Defense is all bar a shambles, needs sorting and quick.
Injuries are an issue, we need to work out why we keep on having crocked players all the time.
Transfers have largely been good, nowt special but better than previous managers. Lack of activity this winter has been costly though. Squad needs new recruits, good ones too.
League
We have recorded more points this season than in 7 of the previous 8, and there are still 3 games to go; that is good in anyone's book. We would have reached the Champions League as well, which for us is pretty good when you consider that we haven't been competing regularly since Benitez left. All this against a United, City and Chelsea assembling virtual super squads, Tottenham in the best form of their Premiership lives.
Europa League; excellent - runners up last season
League cup; excellent - runners up, semi final
Fa Cup; poor - we have been poor in this trophy, need to field a full strength side next season and stop faffing around, he isn't the only LFC manager guilty of this in the competition.
Funny fact: Lucas Leiva has registered the same amount of Premier League assists as Paul Pogba this season, and more than Mkhitaryan, Mata and Sane.
I don't doubt that Pogba has been good overall, my argument is that 90m should and could have bought you an entire midfield. I'm not talking about these players individually, but as a 3, and I think they represent a balanced midfield hypothetically.
I'm not sure it's common sense like you say. A quick look at our recent transfer business and you'll see example after example of us buying the wrong player. I'd actually argue it's the opposite and the teams most successful at it without the biggest budgets on a European scale are doing very well, I'm talking Atletico Madrid, Sevilla, Dortmund Juventus (Aside from the Higuain splurge).
Here's another 'fun fact' : Origi has a better goal-scoring record in the PL this season (6 & 3 assists) than any of United's young guns (Origi : goal every 215 mins); Rashford (5-2 @ 329 mins); Martial (4-5 @ 311 mins); Lingard (1-2 @ 1,231 mins). Origi and Martial have similar amounts of pitch-time (Rashford rather more, Lingard less).
Yes, nominally Origi has started at CF and those United players far less so, however Liverpool play a far more fluid system than United's more rigid one and so Origi has actually been all over the front line rather than leaading it. Now I only bring these stats up because Origi has been lambasted by both Liverpool and United supporters alike in this thread and yet he is only 20 yrs old edit : 22, time flies), similar to United's youngsters, who seem to be afforded far greater leeway than Origi. His early season form being seen as a 'blip' and his current off-form (similar to the team's funnily enough) is considered the 'norm'. That's downright weird.
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Net Spend over past 2 seasons.
Need to sort the table by the last column for Liverpool to win any cup this season.Net Spend over past 2 seasons.