He already moaned about fixture congestion without Europe. Can't wait to see what he thinks of it with midweek fixtures jammed in there.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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If we get our primary transfer targets (Van Djik, Keita, maybe Lacazette and a couple more) I can see us being a very capable side next year.
But barring the Coutinho-Sturridge window, we've never signed players in January under FSG.
We signed Suarez in January.
I really hope we don't sign Van Dijk, especially not at the quoted price of £50m which would be outrageous. For example, Koulibaly at Napoli will be much cheaper and is a better defender. It wouldn't be the first time we buy a Southampton defender that looked good in their system with an excellent holding midfielder in front of him, something we've lacked for years at Liverpool.
Naby Keita would be a top acquisition but there will be other teams in for him as well so I doubt we'll get him. Lacazette, no chance.
Napoli have already rejected £60m bids for Koulibaly.
Really? Feck me, won't be an option either then.
Yup, from Chelsea and Everton, his agent confirmed.
Daft by Everton, they could do with a lot more than one CB with 60m, surely.
Ah yes, forgot about Suaroll. But the point still stands - we haven't made January signings since 2013.
We may have a chance with Lacazette. None of the big two from Spain or Bayern will be in for him. Nor will United or City. Everyone else we should be able to compete with in the market.
Hopefully, with the departure of Ayre, CL football and a reputable manager - we'll seem an attractive destination for 'second tier' players like Laca and Keita.
It's actually hilarious that you believe this. As if Everton have 60m to spend on one player.
Have I really just read some of our Liverpool contingent complaining about United being given goals they shouldn't have this season?
Feck me
Feck me
Keita isn't second tier, maybe in terms of prestige, but not in terms of ability. He's a phenomenal player and would be gutted if Liverpool signed him. Basically Kante who can attack
I don't understand the January window criticism. It's evident that buying quality at that point is extremely difficult. Nobody wants to sell and players are probably reluctant to move. Summer appears to be the best market. In truth, Klopp was probably looking to strengthen in January but couldn't. I suspect a lot of managers were doing similar.
And Andy Carroll...
Forgot about himAnd Andy Carroll...
In football it almost certainly does not even out. Luck plays a massive part in determining the final standings - which is why the sooner video is brought in the better. In Cup matches it goes without saying it can be the final arbiter.
Firstly a stat .. after working in casinos for 8 yrs the stats they work on to ensure the tables are returning expected % are calculated weekly, monthly and annually but in reality it is only the annual figure that returns the most accurate figure. Think how many spins of a wheel or hands of Black Jack need to be played to even out luck even with win odds of ca. 20-30% in the house's favour. This is why I've seen a casino lose night after night for a month before the % turned in it's favour. Now compare that to 38 games of football.
Secondly imagine, for example. It's the final match of the season and two teams are fighting for the title Arsenal (78 pts) are 1-0 up and Spurs (80 pts) score an off-side goal that stands, 1-1 and instead of Arsenal being 3 points better off than Spurs they both earn a point. So Spurs win the title by 2 pts instead of Arsenal by 1 point.
Luck in the form of deflections, red cards, handballs, penalties, etc. etc. matters. All teams have good and bad luck but in which games can be particularly relevant and pertinent to final standings.
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I'm a professional gambler and spend a lot of time looking at statistics in sport, and can say with absolute certainty that luck doesn't even itself out. Variance swings back and for, of course, but at the end of the day it's just random events so there's no invisible force pulling it in one direction to balance it at the end of the season.
You talking about major decisions right? I'd agree but that'd be down to sample size, isnt it? 38 games just isnt enough for the major decisions to even out as they're rare. They'd still even out over multiple seasons though but that's quite meaningless given its a fresh start every season.
It's pretty simple though isn't it. Suarez, Gerrard, Coutinho and a fit and firing Sturridge. Take away all except Coutinho and do you really think Rodgers would have had us even in the Top 6 ? His brand of football suited those players and it was a wonderful once-in-a-lifetime alignment of the stars as far as BR was concerned.
Anything really. You get closer to the statistical expectation the bigger the sample size, and yeah 38 is way too small a sample size because variance in football is very high.
Pogba's handball was from a corner which shouldn't have been given. That doesn't ever gets mentioned when talking about that OT match. That's just one example from matches I've seen you play live, I'm sure there are more.
He's counting the 19 times Origi has come on as a sub, even if for the last 5 minutes
Origi has only played 1119 mins out of a possible 2970 (plus any injury time).
Name suits you pretty aptly.
I think I'll take his agent, and Farhad Moshiri's word on it over some lad on the internet.
Just on this, rivalry tubthumping aside, do you not think the size of Klopp's squad is related to the number of fixtures you will play in a season. Had Liverpool been in Europe Klopp would not have reduced the squad like he did. Without Europe, he clearly wanted a tight squad with a core group of players that would all be well used in the main. The balance with this is that injuries have a bigger impact.
Fan bias clouds judgement on these things in a massive way. All fans think they are persecuted by refs. They're not.
Rodgers did a great job for 18 months and had a world top 5 player in his team. Not a fair comparison to compare Klopp to that period.
The best comparison is to see what the team looks like now compared to the team in October 2015 rather than a team from 18 months prior to his arrival. At the point he took over the team was losing its way and had spent the previous two summers selling over £100m worth of first team talent. His work at Liverpool deserves credit, which is why Liverpool fans are pleased about his record. Get top 4 and it'll be successful, relative to what the team were doing in October 2015.
I'm starting to think Doofus and Barney are related.Have I really just read some of our Liverpool contingent complaining about United being given goals they shouldn't have this season?
Feck me
Yes because his agent has no incentives or motivations here and I'm sure you know both of them personally and can vouch for their honestly right?
Forget some lad on the internet how about you take a look at the entire spending history of Everton as a football club and then compare it to what you're claiming here.
How about this I'll make you a bet, I'll bet that Everton won't spend 60m on a player for the next 5 years just to demonstrate how absurd your claim is. We can use longbets.org.
Only the truly deluded would say that wasn't a handball/penalty. Pogba's arms were in a very unnatural position and no ref is gonna turn down something so clear cut. As for the corner, Firmino hadn't touched the ball. Rojo kicked it out of play. It's not offside. That's something you lot have been trying to tell yourselves to justify Ibra's one standing. My point is, you'd struggle to find dogs decisions that have actually helped us this season. Yes, United have had a few bad ones go against them but it's been more than balanced out by the bad ones helping them. You've scored the most offside goals out of anyone this season and even if we look outside the PL, you scored an offside goal against Hull to progress to the League cup final and then got to the final and had a legit goal against you turned down.. it's a joke really. I mean even your last PL game, a clear handball by Herrera was turned down and then you score on the resulting counter..
We've had plenty of bad decisions go against us this season. Ibra's goal at OT, Vardy's goal at Anfield, Mane's goal at WHL, several clear penalties turned down, including one against Stoke where they scored the resulting counter, etc.
However when you actually try to look for poor decisions that have actually helped us this season, there are none. Every single offside goal we've scored has been correctly turned down. Even the extremely tight ones, whereas United get them given even a yard offside lol. Can you actually point to big decisions that have helped us win points this season? You'd really struggle tbh. I can name at least 10 for United and I defy you to come up with the same amount for Liverpool.
You realise it's not *me* making these claims, but Everton's brand new billionaire owner, and the players agent.
The only reason they're on for top 4 is because they haven't had any Europe. Team littered with average players.
I'm not thumping Liverpool because of rivalry. They have the poorest squad and are barely in the top 4 as it is. Arsenal and City both have European football. Take away that and they would have done better in the league on Liverpool's expense.
He didn't trim the squad a lot. Brought in 5 players and got rid of 5.
Fair enough. He certainly didn't increase a squad that was already small - Liverpool played the most games of anyone last season, which was brutal. My point is that Liverpool would've had a bigger squad had they had Europe. Klopp's not an idiot. The squad would likely have had better resources if more games were anticipated.
As for barely being in the top 4. I'd suggest they're pretty well placed. But that'll be decided in the coming month.
They're 6 points ahead of United who have 2 games in hand and have played 11 games more this season and will play at least 4 games more than Liverpool from now until end up the season. City are sligthly behind but with a game less which could put Liverpool 4th. Barely being in the top 4 is a fair assessment considering all this.
We've played all the hard teams though. United have Spurs, Arsenal and City away coming up. You won't be anywhere near Liverpool by the season's end. And considering the amount you spent in the summer compared to our positive net spend... that's a massive achievement for Liverpool and Klopp. United were being touted as title challengers whilst most people on here didn't even have Liverpool in the top 4. So Klopp has clearly done a fantastic job with a small, injury depleted squad. Next season we'll be even better imo. Rodgers was made to look good by Suarez. Klopp actually has a real team.
I think you'll find that United have had loads of decisions go against us. But a fair amount of them weren't game changers.
What I mean by that is that these decisions aren't highlighted as much when they don't affect the final outcome.
Take the Rashford incident from the Anderlecht game. Replays proved that he wasn't offside, although the ref stopped play, and he went on to score.
Had Anderlecht won 2-1, that error by the ref would have been highlighted more.
Haven't heard any oppo fans screaming how corrupt the ref was and how Rashfords goal should have stood.
Next year is your year doofus.
Quoted for later embarrassment.
Yes, United have a much tougher fixtures left, not helped by the fact that there's never any time between matches.
Not playing the top 6 is a tougher task for Liverpool this season.
10 for Utd, 10 against Liverpool
this is one hell of a conspiracy
what about Lucas being allowed to complete 90 minutes when he plays?
Disagree. Klopp has done OK. It has been by no means a fantastic job. He made things more difficult for himself by not strengthening in the areas every Liverpool fan and his dog knew needed to be strengthened. You cannot use the size of the squad as a point in his favour as it was 100% up to him to add more players.
What he has done best is to manage to milk as much quality as possible out of 5-6 average players, but then again he could have bought at least 2 more quality players to make things easier for himself.
Ultimately if he fails to make top 4, then this season would be considered a failure, and it would be his failure as I believe he had the resources to buy enough quality players to compete with Spurs at the very least, given how focused on the Premier league our season has been.