Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Part of being a successful manager is being at the right place at the right time - that’s always the case. You need the right sort of players and the right sort of flow in order to shine. When that happens, and you capitalize on it, you get credit for it - and if you can sustain it for several seasons on the trot, you get even more credit. Then you lose the flow (to some degree) and fall from grace (to some degree) - it happens to most managers. Some bounce back, some never reach that height again, for whatever reason.

Coming up with an approach that works for your team is never about finding some sort of ***********’s stone which will keep you successful regardless of how your opponents develop (and adjust their own approach). But many fans these days tend to regard football in absolutes and extremes: If someone’s not doing well, the explanation they reach for is that he’s a bit shite and that he’s actually always been a bit shite - and thus his past achievements will have to be discredited: He was lucky (you have to be to some extent), he relied on top players (you always do if you want to win anything big), his success coincided with a poor period for his rivals (it often does to some extent, if your rivals are in rare form it’s generally harder to succeed), etc.
 
Couldn't resist.

Ok.

A mad moment of honesty here I would deffo have United's squad over Liverpool's and possibly the owners too but deffo not Mourinhio over Klopp.
There was a time I would've agreed on Klopp and Mourinho but, Klopp has really gone down in my estimation unfortunately.
Historically there was always a player in liverpools line up that I would begrudingly admit that I would like at united (I always thought Fowler partnered with Cantona would've been amazing) but I can't say that about your current squad.
 
There was a time I would've agreed on Klopp and Mourinho but, Klopp has really gone down in my estimation unfortunately.
Historically there was always a player in liverpools line up that I would begrudingly admit that I would like at united (I always thought Fowler partnered with Cantona would've been amazing) but I can't say that about your current squad.
I would take Mane. No one else though.
 
There was a time I would've agreed on Klopp and Mourinho but, Klopp has really gone down in my estimation unfortunately.
Historically there was always a player in liverpools line up that I would begrudingly admit that I would like at united (I always thought Fowler partnered with Cantona would've been amazing) but I can't say that about your current squad.
So Mourinho is the better manager, and there is not a single player from Liverpools squad, that you would like at United?

When your manager and squad are so superior, how come Liverpool are above you in the league table? You should be way ahead, right? Bad luck?
 
So Mourinho is the better manager, and there is not a single player from Liverpools squad, that you would like at United?

When your manager and squad are so superior, how come Liverpool are above you in the league table? You should be way ahead, right? Bad luck?
Also comes down to trophies and the bigger picture than just a league campaign that's 25/26 games old. Neither side is winning it this season nor will there be more than 2-3 points difference. Klopp has had no distractions outside of league play basically. Lot easier. Klopp's done good with what he has, but lets not get fooled into thinking he's better than Mourinho. I don't think anyone claimed Ranieri was better last season.
 
So Mourinho is the better manager, and there is not a single player from Liverpools squad, that you would like at United?

When your manager and squad are so superior, how come Liverpool are above you in the league table? You should be way ahead, right? Bad luck?
I never said that Mourinho is the better manager (but he is, let's face it the records speak for themselves) but the way that Klopp comes across as a bit of a twat! If Mourinho had shouted at the fourth official like Klopp did the the world would've been up in arms.
And yeah I wouldn't take anyone from yours. So how come you've played less games have no European football no cups yet are only 3 points ahead and have played one more game in the league. How many trophies has this supposedly superior Liverpool side won this season?
 
I never said that Mourinho is the better manager (but he is, let's face it the records speak for themselves) but the way that Klopp comes across as a bit of a twat! If Mourinho had shouted at the fourth official like Klopp did the the world would've been up in arms.
And yeah I wouldn't take anyone from yours. So how come you've played less games have no European football no cups yet are only 3 points ahead and have played one more game in the league. How many trophies has this supposedly superior Liverpool side won this season?
I never said, that Liverpools side is superior. I don't think it is, by the way.

But despite your current impressive unbeaten streak, and Liverpools poor form since new year.. And your better manager. And a squad so good, that you wouldn't want a single player from Liverpool.. You are still behind in the PL.

How come?
 
I never said, that Liverpools side is superior. I don't think it is, by the way.

But despite your current impressive unbeaten streak, and Liverpools poor form since new year.. And your better manager. And a squad so good, that you wouldn't want a single player from Liverpool.. You are still behind in the PL.

How come?

Liverpool have 3 points more than us, true...but also 1 match more than us as well.

Either way Klopp has had almost a year longer than Mourinho to settle in and set the gameplan and style he prefers.
 
I never said, that Liverpools side is superior. I don't think it is, by the way.

But despite your current impressive unbeaten streak, and Liverpools poor form since new year.. And your better manager. And a squad so good, that you wouldn't want a single player from Liverpool.. You are still behind in the PL.

How come?
1 more game equals 3 points.
Liverpool are 3 points ahead after playing a game more.
Happy to help my man
 
I never said, that Liverpools side is superior. I don't think it is, by the way.

But despite your current impressive unbeaten streak, and Liverpools poor form since new year.. And your better manager. And a squad so good, that you wouldn't want a single player from Liverpool.. You are still behind in the PL.

How come?
We can't put the ball in the back of the net enough. Simple. If we scored more goals you wouldn't be anywhere near us.

Who would you think in that Liverpool side would genuinely improve us?
 
There was a time I would've agreed on Klopp and Mourinho but, Klopp has really gone down in my estimation unfortunately.
Historically there was always a player in liverpools line up that I would begrudingly admit that I would like at united (I always thought Fowler partnered with Cantona would've been amazing) but I can't say that about your current squad.

The whole who would you have from our squad debate is pointless if the discussion is happening between supporters of the clubs involved. Its impossibe to eliminate bias.

I truly believe Mourinho has declined severly and his days are numbered. Hes not the same guy, his post match interviews, his mannerisms. Hes different. he doesnt have the arrogance he used to.

Now is that my bias coming through, or is that my genuine opinion? I can't tell you. I think its my genuine opinion.

As for the squad thing, I also wouldnt take anyone from United's squad aside from De Gea.
CB's your's are better, but are they much better? Probably not, I think we can find someone better in the summer.
Midfield theres Pogba, who's name and marketing campaign have made people think class. But this season has hasnt lived up to the heights, besides would he suit our high energy style of play?

Up front Zlatan. Straight no from me. Doesnt suit the system.

Martial has been dodgey at times, but granted hes still young, so maybe theres something there.


I could go on...

But I bet any United fans reading this must be thinking "What is he on about? He wouldnt take Pogba or Zlatan. Hes clueless."
But thats what I think.

It would be better to have someone who supports another club to compare is basically what Im trying to say....in a rather long winded manner. lol
 
The whole who would you have from our squad debate is pointless if the discussion is happening between supporters of the clubs involved. Its impossibe to eliminate bias.

I truly believe Mourinho has declined severly and his days are numbered. Hes not the same guy, his post match interviews, his mannerisms. Hes different. he doesnt have the arrogance he used to.

Now is that my bias coming through, or is that my genuine opinion? I can't tell you. I think its my genuine opinion.

As for the squad thing, I also wouldnt take anyone from United's squad aside from De Gea.
CB's your's are better, but are they much better? Probably not, I think we can find someone better in the summer.
Midfield theres Pogba, who's name and marketing campaign have made people think class. But this season has hasnt lived up to the heights, besides would he suit our high energy style of play?

Up front Zlatan. Straight no from me. Doesnt suit the system.

Martial has been dodgey at times, but granted hes still young, so maybe theres something there.


I could go on...

But I bet any United fans reading this must be thinking "What is he on about? He wouldnt take Pogba or Zlatan. Hes clueless."
But thats what I think.

It would be better to have someone who supports another club to compare is basically what Im trying to say....in a rather long winded manner. lol

Except we know you're lying when you say you wouldn't take Paul Pogba or Zlatan in your side.

To take the logic to its extreme, Messi or Ronaldo wouldn't fit in Klopp's system either. I suppose you'd pass up on them too.
 
The whole who would you have from our squad debate is pointless if the discussion is happening between supporters of the clubs involved. Its impossibe to eliminate bias.

I truly believe Mourinho has declined severly and his days are numbered. Hes not the same guy, his post match interviews, his mannerisms. Hes different. he doesnt have the arrogance he used to.

Now is that my bias coming through, or is that my genuine opinion? I can't tell you. I think its my genuine opinion.

As for the squad thing, I also wouldnt take anyone from United's squad aside from De Gea.
CB's your's are better, but are they much better? Probably not, I think we can find someone better in the summer.
Midfield theres Pogba, who's name and marketing campaign have made people think class. But this season has hasnt lived up to the heights, besides would he suit our high energy style of play?

Up front Zlatan. Straight no from me. Doesnt suit the system.

Martial has been dodgey at times, but granted hes still young, so maybe theres something there.


I could go on...

But I bet any United fans reading this must be thinking "What is he on about? He wouldnt take Pogba or Zlatan. Hes clueless."
But thats what I think.

It would be better to have someone who supports another club to compare is basically what Im trying to say....in a rather long winded manner. lol
Good post mate.

On Pogba, I think he could adjust to a higher intensity game plan. But that's my bias coming through, and he is a class player no doubt. Not worth 90m but then who actually is? Ronaldo? 2-3 seasons ago possibly, Messi? Maybe, Suarez? Neymar? I think next season will be telling about Pogba, he still young and we payed that because of potential not actual ability.
 
There was a time I would've agreed on Klopp and Mourinho but, Klopp has really gone down in my estimation unfortunately.
Historically there was always a player in liverpools line up that I would begrudingly admit that I would like at united (I always thought Fowler partnered with Cantona would've been amazing) but I can't say that about your current squad.

Funnily enough I was in the pub today and Fowler's 100 goals was on . feckin ell .. what a finisher he was .

Klopp .

He hasn't gone down in my estimation but I do feel his honeymoon period is over.
 
Funnily enough I was in the pub today and Fowler's 100 goals was on . feckin ell .. what a finisher he was .

Klopp .

He hasn't gone down in my estimation but I do feel his honeymoon period is over.
I rated Fowler, tbh one of the greatest finishers I've seen. What actually happened to him? He just dropped off and next thing you know he's in a City kit!?!
I think if we had him we would've won a CL sooner under SAF.
 
And yes.

My admiration for Cantona is known on here so him and Fowler upfront would have beem amazing . Cantona is up there with Dalglish in terms of vision and skill. I can't think of a better compliment.
 
I rated Fowler, tbh one of the greatest finishers I've seen. What actually happened to him? He just dropped off and next thing you know he's in a City kit!?!
I think if we had him we would've won a CL sooner under SAF.


He got a serious injury in 1997 I think it was or maybe 1998 . His cruciates and he was never the same player . He then got fat and bought a few houses.
 
I really think Coubtinho is overrated, scores a worldie once or twice a season. When he starts to play well he gets injured at takes forever to get back into form. Mane I don't know about either not a 'united' player

I rate them 2 tbh. Coutinho can disappear when coming off an injury but when on form, there's no stopping him.

Mane is a worker bee, tracks back, can beat his man 1on1 and can both pass it or shot it.
 
Except we know you're lying when you say you wouldn't take Paul Pogba or Zlatan in your side.

To take the logic to its extreme, Messi or Ronaldo wouldn't fit in Klopp's system either. I suppose you'd pass up on them too.
Pogba wouldn't start ahead of Hendo, la. Jordan is a king on Merseyside.
 
They still look pretty bad don't they?

Next season will be interesting with European footy to contend with.

They need a huge injection of quality this summer which won't happen under FSG. It will be quantity over quality as usual.
 
They still look pretty bad don't they?

Next season will be interesting with European footy to contend with.

They need a huge injection of quality this summer which won't happen under FSG. It will be quantity over quality as usual.
Yep, it's why Im wondering why the sudden spate of self loathing invaded the top 4 thread.
If we performed like that we would be preparing nooses right about now.
Klopp needs to work his attacking players back into focus.
 
I think the below shows that we've improved:

I'm still not fully convinced we'll get there under Klopp though. His signings in the summer will be crucial in deciding which way we go next season. He has a lot of learning to do still because today was another example that sides have figured us out.

The City game will be interesting.
 
I got an irrational dislike for the babbling fool. As soon as I seen him walking into an interview in a Beatles tshirt I knew he was hippie wierdo.
 
I think the below shows that we've improved:

I'm still not fully convinced we'll get there under Klopp though. His signings in the summer will be crucial in deciding which way we go next season. He has a lot of learning to do still because today was another example that sides have figured us out.

The City game will be interesting.


You've improved in the league because you've not focused on anything else. Last season he spent his time focusing on the EL, so it should have been a given that your league performances would improve without it.