Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Liverpool are far too one dimensional to succeed under Klopp long term. He needs to be pragmatic from time to time but can't.

I also don't think he knows how to build a good defence. It's usually the first thing the very best managers address.

He has been there nearly 2 seasons now and they don't look that much better than under Brent. Of course, Pool fans will be happy if they get CL footy but this 'achievement' will quickly be forgotten if they're still getting outplayed by the likes of Burnley at Anfield next season.

Liverpool, like Spurs, need silverware more than 4th next season.
 
Peanut Butter said:
Liverpool are far too one dimensional to succeed under Klopp long term. He needs to be pragmatic from time to time but can't.

I also don't think he knows how to build a good defence. It's usually the first thing the very best managers address.

He has been there nearly 2 seasons now and they don't look that much better than under Brent. Of course, Pool fans will be happy if they get CL footy but this 'achievement' will quickly be forgotten if they're still getting outplayed by the likes of Burnley at Anfield next season.

Liverpool, like Spurs, need silverware more than 4th next season.
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Outplayed by Burnley? When?

Also, one dimensional? First team to 60 league goals. Goals from multiple sources - a lot of teams could use that kind of versatility.
 
PickledRed said:
Outplayed by Burnley? When?

Also, one dimensional? First team to 60 league goals. Goals from multiple sources - a lot of teams could use that kind of versatility.
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Well we did lose 2-0 to them earlier in the season. Sure, it was away, but nothing to stop that happening at Anfield next year, I guess?

I also agree we can be a bit one dimensional tactically. We punch above our weight against the top teams because they often play into our hands, inviting us to press & counter, which we're great at. When lower sides (like Burnley) setup to counter what we do, we need to find something to shut them down.

People can say what they want about the quality of our squad, but I do think we've some really good players, and if we could find a setup/formation that'll allow us to show our class more consitently against the "lesser" teams in the league, I think we'll be more than alright going forward.

... We just need that plan, first. Too many silly points dropped this season.
 
If I were Klopp I would sign Leandro Paredes and Emre Mor, both incredibly talented in positions where Liverpool need depth, but both have been outcasts in their respective clubs (so they should be fairly cheap).
 
PickledRed said:
Outplayed by Burnley? When?

Also, one dimensional? First team to 60 league goals. Goals from multiple sources - a lot of teams could use that kind of versatility.
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Outplayed was the wrong choice of wording. I meant that your fans will be really fed up next season if you are still having trouble against the likes of Swansea yet raising your game against the big boys.

Very similar to Benitez's Liverpool actually and it didn't end well for him. At least he had a CL and FA Cup trophy to back him up as well.

Next season is huge for Klopp.
 
Burnley deserved more than they got today.

First Liverpool goal was very fortunate and out of nowhere. Also, 95 out of 100 Emre Can shots aren't even on target let alone in the bottom corner from 35 yards.

Other than one other standard Heaton save, Burnley weren't really in any bother and should have equalised at the end.
 
Alex99 said:
You've improved in the league because you've not focused on anything else. Last season he spent his time focusing on the EL, so it should have been a given that your league performances would improve without it.
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That's not proven though, as number of games decreases, games won increases?

I mean you would think so in theory, but you never know. Besides to what extent does it increase if at all? There's too many variables.
There's no doubt that having less games has helped us, but I'd say max it would of got us only a handful of extra wins. And we MAY finish with more than just a handful extra.
 
Top manager, nonsense to compare this squad with the one who had Suarez in my opinion, but they will need to make some signings this Summer if they make top 4, in my opinion they have the worst squad of the top 6, only when Coutinho or Mané are at top level they look better than they really are, at least if we compare this squad with City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs.
 
LFC-Fans said:
That's not proven though, as number of games decreases, games won increases?

I mean you would think so in theory, but you never know. Besides to what extent does it increase if at all? There's too many variables.
There's no doubt that having less games has helped us, but I'd say max it would of got us only a handful of extra wins. And we MAY finish with more than just a handful extra.
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Well, no. He quite literally packed in the league to focus on the EL. Squad selection and intensity suffered as a result. You've had no such distraction this year.
 
LFC-Fans said:
They guy oozes class.

Need to buy a whole new spine to the team in the summer though.
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Comes across as a bumbling idiot at times.

I watched him on MOTD and actually found it a bit cringe-worthy at times.

I like eccentrics in general, but Klopp does come across as very flustered and nervy, it's something I've particularly noticed this season.

'The Normal One', indeed.
 
Alex99 said:
Well, no. He quite literally packed in the league to focus on the EL. Squad selection and intensity suffered as a result. You've had no such distraction this year.
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I only remember us playing second string sides in four games during that Europa League run last season. Two were wins at Bournemouth and at home to Watford, another was a defeat at Swansea and the fourth was a draw at West Brom (last game of the season).

I'd hardly call that packing in the league and even if we'd won the Swansea/West Brom games it wouldn't have been enough for top four. Our inability to hold on to a lead (throwing away points from winning positions in two games against Southampton and also at home to Spurs, Arsenal, Newcastle and Sunderland) was a bigger issue.

You're right that we have no excuses this year. It'll be seen as a failure if Klopp doesn't get us into the Champions League.
 
Klopper76 said:
You're right that we have no excuses this year. It'll be seen as a failure if Klopp doesn't get us into the Champions League.
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It should be seen as a failure already for where you were in the league, for your FA Cup showing, and for the failure to challenge for any silverware properly.

Scraping Top 4, from where Liverpool were this season, is very little to be celebrating.
 
Peanut Butter said:
They still look pretty bad don't they?

Next season will be interesting with European footy to contend with.

They need a huge injection of quality this summer which won't happen under FSG. It will be quantity over quality as usual.
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I think we looked a bit shit today against Burnley.......they were unlucky to come away with nowt. Mind you, they were lucky to come away with anything in their home game, so I suppose that balances things out a bit, no?

Next season will be VERY interesting with European footy to contend with.....hopefully!

I shall also be interested to see what will happen next season in relation to transfers. If FSG don't make statements in terms of their outlay, especially

Peanut Butter said:
Liverpool are far too one dimensional to succeed under Klopp long term. He needs to be pragmatic from time to time but can't.

I also don't think he knows how to build a good defence. It's usually the first thing the very best managers address.

He has been there nearly 2 seasons now and they don't look that much better than under Brent. Of course, Pool fans will be happy if they get CL footy but this 'achievement' will quickly be forgotten if they're still getting outplayed by the likes of Burnley at Anfield next season.

Liverpool, like Spurs, need silverware more than 4th next season.
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Are you saying that it's not much of an 'achievement' to finish top 4? Is that why United don't seem to be too arsed about being in it?

I know you're wumming when you use terms like 'Brent'.....be more subtle!!

Ban said:
He sure likes to talk.
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He does yes! And YOU like to listen, dontcha, Ban?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
It should be seen as a failure already for where you were in the league, for your FA Cup showing, and for the failure to challenge for any silverware properly.

Scraping Top 4, from where Liverpool were this season, is very little to be celebrating.
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But better than sixth, n'est pas? What kind of 'success' is that, with a squillion pound squad?
 
Mountainstomolehills said:
But better than sixth, n'est pas? What kind of 'success' is that, with a squillion pound squad?
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We've won a trophy, which is great for José's first season here - it's important for new teams to get silverware ASAP, it stops a losing mentality from entering the squad, which, as you well know, can lead to the lowering of expectations for both players and fans alike.

And we're, what, 6 points behind you with 2 games in hand?

Give me our situation over yours right now, any day of the week.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
It should be seen as a failure already for where you were in the league, for your FA Cup showing, and for the failure to challenge for any silverware properly.

Scraping Top 4, from where Liverpool were this season, is very little to be celebrating.
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Top 4 isn't an end in itself but it could be very significant in terms of future squad building and attracting better footballers. I think it would be a good effort, if a little underwhelming given the brilliant autumn.
 
There's a serious lack of self awareness among United fans on here, we are taking the piss out of a team that's two places ahead of us in the league, looking good for a Champions League when we are looking like we will be in seventh on Saturday evening. Anyway the time to gloat is at the end of the season never before hand.
 
Red Ryan said:
There's a serious lack of self awareness among United fans on here, we are taking the piss out of a team that's two places ahead of us in the league, looking good for a Champions League when we are looking like we will be in seventh on Saturday evening. Anyway the time to gloat is at the end of the season never before hand.
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Your last sentence is actually the point many united fans are also making. We've been taking the piss out of them mocking us for being 6th when there is still a third of the season to go etc.

This said, there's now several decent scousers on here, even more so since they had their shit run and the gloating idiots went back to RAWK.
 
My cousin posted on facebook the other day that you can tell some people smell just by looking at their picture, pretty sure she was on about Klopp.
 
Red Ryan said:
There's a serious lack of self awareness among United fans on here, we are taking the piss out of a team that's two places ahead of us in the league, looking good for a Champions League when we are looking like we will be in seventh on Saturday evening. Anyway the time to gloat is at the end of the season never before hand.
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So we should just praise them and talk big about them?
 
The win yesterday was really being bigged up on MOTD wasn't it? "biggest match of the season". Klopp was overexcited for some strange reason too.

Doubt he would have agreed to do the pitch-side interview if Burnley stuck that last minute chance away and got the draw they deserved.
 
needs to add serious quality to this squad this summer if he wants to keep up the high intensity play throughout an entire PL season without major drop-off
 
Our performances against the so-called lesser team is really giving me cause for concern now. Klopp's saying it's all down to a lack of confidence, but how can he say that after the 2 impressive victories against Spurs & Arsenal ? Confidence was obviously not a problem in those games so why should the likes of Burnley give us the jitters ? I don't believe he wants to face the big elephant in the room which tells him, & us, that it's quite obvious now that some teams have found a way to combat our style of play, so god help us if others follow suit in the near future.

IMO, for Klopp to prove he really is some sort of managerial messiah then he needs to show he has it in him to change our style in order to overcome the obstacles that more & more sides are starting to put before us. If that means spending big money in the summer - as it seems pretty certain we'll be playing some form of European football next season - then all well & good. But as it stands, Jurgen still has a lot to do to convince me that he's the one to bring the big silverware back to Anfield.
 
redman5 said:
Our performances against the so-called lesser team is really giving me cause for concern now. Klopp's saying it's all down to a lack of confidence, but how can he say that after the 2 impressive victories against Spurs & Arsenal ? Confidence was obviously not a problem in those games so why should the likes of Burnley give us the jitters ? I don't believe he wants to face the big elephant in the room which tells him, & us, that it's quite obvious now that some teams have found a way to combat our style of play, so god help us if others follow suit in the near future.
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Maybe it's a lack of confidence against a particular approach rather than a complete lack of confidence overall.....tell you one thing, it's fecking frustrating!!! Liverpool played fantastic football against Spurs, then got absolutely battered against Leceister, turned it on again v Arsenal, then back to bollocks against Burnley. Hopefully, the 'ugly' win v Burnley will help to boost the confidence of the players against the so called 'lesser' teams. However, it has to be said that Burnley's approach yesterday was NOT representative of the 'smash and grab' tactics of the other teams we've lost against....

redman5 said:
IMO, for Klopp to prove he really is some sort of managerial messiah then he needs to show he has it in him to change our style in order to overcome the obstacles that more & more sides are starting to put before us. If that means spending big money in the summer - as it seems pretty certain we'll be playing some form of European football next season - then all well & good. But as it stands, Jurgen still has a lot to do to convince me that he's the one to bring the big silverware back to Anfield.
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It will be very interesting to see what happens in the summer in relation to transfers. I'm hoping for 3 quality players ready to step into the first team (any more and that would equal too much upheaval) ....although I can't see the combined cost of these 3 being less than £100 million. That might sound a lot, but FSG spent the grand sum of feck all in the last two windows on transfers.....however, they appear to have splashed out an ungodly amount on wages!!!

I'm happy with Klopp, and I think he's with us for a good while to come. I'm struggling to think of anyone better we could attract as well, so we'd better hope he can get us back at least competing on a regular basis.
 
Is this the most self-obsessed manager ever or what? I swear he's in half the commercials on the telly. Opel, Nivea, Phillips, Bet Victor and god knows what else. Can't even touch the remote these days without being greeted by a smug hipster cnut.
 
Samid said:
Is this the most self-obsessed manager ever or what? I swear he's in half the commercials on the telly. Opel, Nivea, Phillips, Bet Victor and god knows what else. Can't even touch the remote these days without being greeted by a smug hipster cnut.
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The only Klopp commercial i see is on LFC TV where he waffles on for a bit over a minute about why he loves football.

Audio isn't great but here he is waffling on:
 
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LFC-Fans said:
Need to buy a whole new spine to the team in the summer though.
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He needs to buy at least a new striker, a new central midfielder, a new centerback and a proper left back.

Realistic targets for Liverpool would be Azmoun, Paredes, Tah and Kolasinac.

Not sure about goalkeeper, I'd give Karius at least another run of games before making a judgement on that.
 
Infordin said:
He needs to buy at least a new striker, a new central midfielder, a new centerback and a proper left back.

Realistic targets for Liverpool would be Azmoun, Paredes, Tah and Kolasinac.

Not sure about goalkeeper, I'd give Karius at least another run of games before making a judgement on that.
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They need a total overhaul in defence for a start - possibly 4 players.
 
Think 2 and backups would be enough honestly. But those two have to be absolute top shelf players and fit in with klopp's system. I'd be very curious to see belotti and naby keita at liverpool
 
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