Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

How is he still going on about an offside goal - if he thinks he's been hard done by he's a nutjob.

I have to say I was very envious when he went to LPool but now genuinely can't stand him, thought he was a very upfront type manager but has evolved into such a moaner.
 
I'm not even bothered about Klopp's comments anymore. I think it's because their demise this season has been so funny and great to see, and they are fast becoming irrelevant.

There was an offside in the build up (though the goal scorer himself wasn't), and I think he has a right to be aggrieved by that. But It's been nearly a month now and he's still blaming it to cover for their poor performances. Liverpool had plenty of decisions go their way too... Handball and Firmino shove against Swansea for example. Difference is, they lose their games.

Oh and let's not forget how Klopp was 'showing passion' when he proceeded to absolutely berate the 4th official. If Jose had done that he'd have incurred a multiple match ban. So you know...
 
How is he still going on about an offside goal - if he thinks he's been hard done by he's a nutjob.

I have to say I was very envious when he went to LPool but now genuinely can't stand him, thought he was a very upfront type manager but has evolved into such a moaner.
He's a one trick pony mate, always was.

At Dortmund he was a one trick pony with some bloody good players.

He has been found out already. Not saying he isn't a good manager but his up-and-at-em style is great for the big matches but it's not sustainable over 38 games plus Europe plus cups AND without the Xmas Break he got in Germany.

His planning for this season has been, quite frankly, shite.
 
Anyone else think they've just run out of steam? Playing with that intensity must take its toll eventually. Maybe why they started so well and have since dropped off.
 
Anyone else think they've just run out of steam? Playing with that intensity must take its toll eventually. Maybe why they started so well and have since dropped off.
It's hard to say until the season is close to its end. We'll know for sure either way in a couple of months.
 
Ive said this before, but I dont buy into this winter break nonsense.
How does fatigue from one game, carry over a whole 7 days into the next game? It doesnt. The intesisty will take its toll on us during the winter preiod, around boxing day time. But not now.

It's not just physical fatigue its mentally draining as well buddy. Much easier on you when you're winning. Plus you have been playing lots of games and resting much more your overall fitness has dropped a few % and you can pick up or carry a few little niggles that can take there toll on your form.
 
Anyone else think they've just run out of steam? Playing with that intensity must take its toll eventually. Maybe why they started so well and have since dropped off.
They will go back to playing one game a week again now, so they may well pick back up.
 
I think it's quite funny that he keeps harping on about this one moment all the time. Must be very hard for him. While Mourinho waited until the next time we faced Watford to bring up the clear foul on Martial which led to a goal that should've never been. Poor Liverpool and all that..
 
Anyone else think they've just run out of steam? Playing with that intensity must take its toll eventually. Maybe why they started so well and have since dropped off.
Playing at the intensity we do with the squad depth we have is begging for trouble. Some of it comes down to Klopp, but most of the issues and definitely the awful managing of the club long since precede him. The entire structure and basis of FSG's ownership has been a sham from start to end and theyre fortunate they struck gold in getting klopp as its bought them a few more years of fending off the vultures. This summer is the acid test for me, given the spending over the last 2 years we are more than capable of spending 150mill net this summer. If we end up with similar squad issues come september 1st the knives will well and truly be out.

Given the nature of the content of the leaked emails coupled with the rhetoric about the annie road end im not holding my breath..
 
Anyone else think they've just run out of steam? Playing with that intensity must take its toll eventually. Maybe why they started so well and have since dropped off.

The pessimist in me thinks that they will get over this run and finish in the top two and get the players they want next season. But I hope they and Klopp continue being the joke they always have been. He is a good manager. He maybe just thought that things would be easy with no Europe commitments and after a good start to the season.
 
Playing at the intensity we do with the squad depth we have is begging for trouble. Some of it comes down to Klopp, but most of the issues and definitely the awful managing of the club long since precede him. The entire structure and basis of FSG's ownership has been a sham from start to end and theyre fortunate they struck gold in getting klopp as its bought them a few more years of fending off the vultures. This summer is the acid test for me, given the spending over the last 2 years we are more than capable of spending 150mill net this summer. If we end up with similar squad issues come september 1st the knives will well and truly be out.

Given the nature of the content of the leaked emails coupled with the rhetoric about the annie road end im not holding my breath..

What's this about?
 
oh yes, the leaked emails are very interesting, :D

and also quite interesting anyway
 
What's this about?
Here it is

There is a basic precept/combination that I have learned from Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett that interests me in Red.
“That is the concept of acquiring a top global brand at a discount price and ensuring it is well managed. I am interested now in trying to ascertain if this is indeed a major opportunity that would indeed diversify and strengthen NESV

“In some ways they really are in the dark ages — especially competitively. The best and brightest are not presently working on English soccer. But the English Premier League is bigger than the NFL, NASCAR, MLB and the NBA internationally. Only Formula One can begin to compare in viewership.
This could be a steal. Every buyer believes what potential Red Sox buyers believed — you have to build a new stadium. And they believe the stadium will cost more than £350m! That’s why there are no bidders. We would probably take the same approach we took to Fenway Park. But we’d be looking to limit investment in the facility to 8 figures.

“Then how much is this worth if we recruit the best and the brightest to run the soccer operation?”

Its fairly clear they see us as nothing more than a money making venture and they've already planted the seeds of doubt about redeveloping the Annie Rd end claiming essentially they wont make enough back from it as it would take 15years, basically because corporate seats cant be put there and they cant raise the ticket prices its not worth it to them to build seats for the average scouser.
 
Here it is

There is a basic precept/combination that I have learned from Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett that interests me in Red.
“That is the concept of acquiring a top global brand at a discount price and ensuring it is well managed. I am interested now in trying to ascertain if this is indeed a major opportunity that would indeed diversify and strengthen NESV

“In some ways they really are in the dark ages — especially competitively. The best and brightest are not presently working on English soccer. But the English Premier League is bigger than the NFL, NASCAR, MLB and the NBA internationally. Only Formula One can begin to compare in viewership.
This could be a steal. Every buyer believes what potential Red Sox buyers believed — you have to build a new stadium. And they believe the stadium will cost more than £350m! That’s why there are no bidders. We would probably take the same approach we took to Fenway Park. But we’d be looking to limit investment in the facility to 8 figures.

“Then how much is this worth if we recruit the best and the brightest to run the soccer operation?”

Its fairly clear they see us as nothing more than a money making venture and they've already planted the seeds of doubt about redeveloping the Annie Rd end claiming essentially they wont make enough back from it as it would take 15years, basically because corporate seats cant be put there and they cant raise the ticket prices its not worth it to them to build seats for the average scouser.

Thanks for the reply! :) I still maintain my stance from the post above this one.
 
It does look everything like 'add value & sell on' doesn't it? If they can find a suitable (to them) purchaser, it's a very canny deal. At worst, they sit tight & wait I suppose, for whatever change in tv deal rules and/or European leagues structure comes next.

I thought that the 'Yank' view of English footy (management) as (still) being in the dark ages was quite interesting. Though the people supplying that view would probably be somewhat inclined towards telling people what they were wanting to hear.
 
Not one surprising bit of news in there? An investment group looking to make money, as opposed to spending it, shock and awe!

@cyberman : don't you know they have Henderson?!:wenger:
I have no issue with them wanting to make money (what investment company wouldnt?) it would just be better for us as fans if they saw that the biggest money making opportunity was to make us competitive again so that we could win leagues and European cups, attract more fans and wealth and become players on the world stage.
Sadly from their actions you have to really work hard to credit them with that intention.
They're looking to do it on the cheap they waltzed in thinking they were smarter than everyone and could cheat the system and got taught some very harsh lessons. They spoke at great length about there admiration for Wenger and its clear they wanted to emulate that - except they didnt have a clue on how to run things on the footballing side. They lucked out with Klopp and its hard to see that as a sign of ambition when all signs point to them hoping and praying he can make us a top four club with about the 1/6th of the net spend of the other top clubs and keeps there cash cow churning out very profitable returns. Like i said this summer will be the acid test. But i suspect ( and im hoping im wrong) theyre content as it is and are hoping a couple cups and maybe another title run in the next 5-7 Klopp years is enough to keep the fans sweet rather any actual title and CL winning aspirations, as we continue our most barren trophy run in the post-shankly era.
 
I have no issue with them wanting to make money (what investment company wouldnt?) it would just be better for us as fans if they saw that the biggest money making opportunity was to make us competitive again so that we could win leagues and European cups, attract more fans and wealth and become players on the world stage.
Sadly from their actions you have to really work hard to credit them with that intention.
They're looking to do it on the cheap they waltzed in thinking they were smarter than everyone and could cheat the system and got taught some very harsh lessons. They spoke at great length about there admiration for Wenger and its clear they wanted to emulate that - except they didnt have a clue on how to run things on the footballing side. They lucked out with Klopp and its hard to see that as a sign of ambition when all signs point to them hoping and praying he can make us a top four club with about the 1/6th of the net spend of the other top clubs and keeps there cash cow churning out very profitable returns. Like i said this summer will be the acid test. But i suspect ( and im hoping im wrong) theyre content as it is and are hoping a couple cups and maybe another title run in the next 5-7 Klopp years is enough to keep the fans sweet rather any actual title and CL winning aspirations, as we continue our most barren trophy run in the post-shankly era.

I really get where you're coming from, but it's also hard to fault them for this attitude. Liverpool, without actually winning anything of significance since 2005, is still one of the most supported sporting outfits in the world. The time for growing globally, as a brand, seems to have come and gone, even before FSG took over, so as a business, I think the risk vs reward is comfortably on their side of things, when it comes to the safest way to milk the cash cow, as it were.
 
Genuine question - there was offside? Can't see it even at replay. Somehow missed the discussion. Fellaini was in the right position, so was Ibra?
 
It does look everything like 'add value & sell on' doesn't it? If they can find a suitable (to them) purchaser, it's a very canny deal. At worst, they sit tight & wait I suppose, for whatever change in tv deal rules and/or European leagues structure comes next.

I thought that the 'Yank' view of English footy (management) as (still) being in the dark ages was quite interesting. Though the people supplying that view would probably be somewhat inclined towards telling people what they were wanting to hear.
Like i said, no issue with them wanting a profitable and self-sustaining club, and they've certainly managed to finally exploit our commercial appeal (although its about 20 years too late its something we should have done as soon as the premier league was inaugurated) the problem is they preached an Arsenal model but everything from the Sanchez/balotelli fiasco to the Dempsey debacle has only pointed to the contrary in regards to there ability to bring in the " best and brightest " to give us the best shot of cracking the top four consistently. Under there reign this season excepted we've only once legitamately challenged for the top four. (13/14) Rather than bringing in 2/3 players to supplement that squad they preferred a scattergun approach because to them that was the best chance of unearthing a gem they could develop and sell for a huge profit. Instead of giving sanchez the wages they saw balotelli for half the cost and the potential to be a '50million pound player' that rodgers could develop. They dont have an ounce of footballing nous, they can get a pass on that 2/3 years in, but 7!!?

Its absolutely ludicrous and doesnt seem to be changing with internal FSG stats guys getting promotions.
 
Like i said, no issue with them wanting a profitable and self-sustaining club, and they've certainly managed to finally exploit our commercial appeal (although its about 20 years too late its something we should have done as soon as the premier league was inaugurated) the problem is they preached an Arsenal model but everything from the Sanchez/balotelli fiasco to the Dempsey debacle has only pointed to the contrary in regards to there ability to bring in the " best and brightest " to give us the best shot of cracking the top four consistently. Under there reign this season excepted we've only once legitamately challenged for the top four. (13/14) Rather than bringing in 2/3 players to supplement that squad they preferred a scattergun approach because to them that was the best chance of unearthing a gem they could develop and sell for a huge profit. Instead of giving sanchez the wages they saw balotelli for half the cost and the potential to be a '50million pound player' that rodgers could develop. They dont have an ounce of footballing nous, they can get a pass on that 2/3 years in, but 7!!?

Its absolutely ludicrous and doesnt seem to be changing with internal FSG stats guys getting promotions.

absolutely, you've 100% nailed it in your posts - it's like they've seen 1/2 the picture very well, fair enough - but while slaughtering the EPL for being backward, misread the footy competence angle a little bit, haven't thought it was a problem, or whatever
 
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I really get where you're coming from, but it's also hard to fault them for this attitude. Liverpool, without actually winning anything of significance since 2005, is still one of the most supported sporting outfits in the world. The time for growing globally, as a brand, seems to have come and gone, even before FSG took over, so as a business, I think the risk vs reward is comfortably on their side of things, when it comes to the safest way to milk the cash cow, as it were.
Disagree, at the time of them taking over we'd only spent 1/1.5 seasons outside the top four, credit where its due they managed to sell this to brands/companies and secured mega kit deals and exploited our commercial potential. They got those off the back of a title run and two CL runs, one season or two out the top four sponsors will overlook but 5/6? no chance, it becomes an indicative trend. Our revenue and appeal has grown steadily since, but no more than any other top 6 side, and certainly in recent times it seems to have dried up considerably which is reflective of our on the field success or lack therof.

They made the most out of an criminally undertapped resource and plaudits to them but our profits are coming from elsewhere recently. The nub of the matter is they seem to realise they can spend next to nothing, win nothing finish 6-8 and still make comfortable profits, they dont see klopp as an opportunity to bring success and trophies to Anfield, they see it as hitting the jackpot. A manager reknowned for working on a budget, they must be salivating knowing the fans are onside mostly and theyve bought themselves a few more years of minimal activity whilst churning out profits.
 
There's quite a large article by Anfield Wrap here - for anyone who is interested

https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2017...th-klopp-what-next-for-john-henry-at-anfield/

3 points occur to me

1- with or without hindsight starting out with Hodge-Podge is not encouraging is it? (a Moyes-esque kind of a decision that one)

2 - so many of the transfers (see midway) are straight out of the mid-range of the market & not very good when they are top end deals

3 - Global brand growth needs some inbuilt corporate-tastic-ness at source, so that it can sell itself in the global market - (but the stand is here NOW, I suppose)
 
Hardly anyone is going to care about that offside decision if we miss out on top four.

He needs to focus on getting us going again instead of trying to deflect like this every week.
Kloppo you need to stop talking sense... You are getting likable..
 
Disagree, at the time of them taking over we'd only spent 1/1.5 seasons outside the top four, credit where its due they managed to sell this to brands/companies and secured mega kit deals and exploited our commercial potential. They got those off the back of a title run and two CL runs, one season or two out the top four sponsors will overlook but 5/6? no chance, it becomes an indicative trend. Our revenue and appeal has grown steadily since, but no more than any other top 6 side, and certainly in recent times it seems to have dried up considerably which is reflective of our on the field success or lack therof.

They made the most out of an criminally undertapped resource and plaudits to them but our profits are coming from elsewhere recently. The nub of the matter is they seem to realise they can spend next to nothing, win nothing finish 6-8 and still make comfortable profits, they dont see klopp as an opportunity to bring success and trophies to Anfield, they see it as hitting the jackpot. A manager reknowned for working on a budget, they must be salivating knowing the fans are onside mostly and theyve bought themselves a few more years of minimal activity whilst churning out profits.

Even though it is a well structured post, and all the points are valid, I really don't see the difference to my point. The bolded part is my point. To try to compete with the big spenders now could well be seen as more of a risk, than what the realistic reward could be. Just a simplistic way to look at it of course, but well in line with their business strategy from that e-mail exchange.
 
Good article on Klopp. Worth a read.

Jürgen Klopp opens up on family life, Liverpool's recent form, and that offside goal
Manager talks offside goals, the magic of Merseyside, and the power of losing honourably

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Jürgen Klopp is readying himself for a vital clash with Spurs in the Premier League. Photograph: Puma


An hour after the first of Jürgen Klopp's many jokes, interspersed with his worldly insights into football and life, he returns to a more personal memory. It is fitting and evocative because his passionate club's exhilarating play and outrageous drama, painful transfer intrigue and riotous joy, validates Klopp's claim that "this is the most interesting football project in the world".

It was strangely similar for Klopp at Mainz, the first love of his sporting life. Klopp, who eventually became their coach, used to be a lumbering striker-turned-defender in the German second division, and he suggests that: "Just like every person who works for Liverpool is a fan of the club, it was the same at Mainz. When I was a player there we had 800 supporters on rainy Saturday afternoons and if we died no one would notice or come to our funeral. But we loved the club and we have this same feeling at Liverpool. It's a very special club – a workers' club, even for the non-workers in this great city."

When asked about the recent run of losses and draws, his laughter dies and he looks suddenly stricken, only for a beaming smile to appear again, "Ok this is football. You win and you lose. It must feel terrible for our fans right now but the lows in football is what makes the highs so great. Once we start winning again, that winning feeling is going to be a lot better than if we hadn't gone on a losing run."

Klopp stresses the importance of good football, even if it leads to mixed results in the short term. "Listen a lot of people will say that it is better to be pragmatic, to play the long balls like United, but football is about entertainment. No one remembers the trophies you win or the points you accumulated but they will remember the excitement they felt when they were watching the game. There is also something very empowering about losing while playing the better football, it gives your team self belief. Losing honourably can give you the kind of momentum that you don't get by winning sometimes."

Family, Emotions, and that goal

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Klopp's wife, Ulla, has seen his emotional side one too many times.

Klopp comes from a small village in the Black Forest – "There were 1,500 people there when I left and 1,499 live there now." He is the father of two grown-up sons and his wife, Ulla, is a writer. "She wrote a book for children," Klopp says. "It's like Harry Potter – but it's about football. There's no Harry Potter flying on his fecking stick – just football. She has been through all the emotional rollercoaster with me. She understands the frustrations that come with being a football manager." The couple recently separated, something that Klopp partially blames himself for but mostly blames a great injustice that happened on that day, "The day when we drew with Manchester United because of that offside goal, I got really emotional. We had talked about how I should act when I am frustrated and emotional. The passion and anger I felt from that offside goal in a game we clearly deserved to win spilled over. She was right to leave."

Liverpool, the club for neutrals

"We are a club, not a company," Klopp says, "but it depends on which kind of story the neutral fan wants to hear. If he respects the story of United, and how much they have won since the 1990s, he can support them. But if he wants the new story, the special story, it must be Liverpool. I think, in this moment in the football world, you have to be on our side."

Source
 
There's a helluva lot wrong with that interview, even leaving aside the United comments.
 
Good article on Klopp. Worth a read.

Jürgen Klopp opens up on family life, Liverpool's recent form, and that offside goal
Manager talks offside goals, the magic of Merseyside, and the power of losing honourably

J-rgen-Klopp-010.jpg

Jürgen Klopp is readying himself for a vital clash with Spurs in the Premier League. Photograph: Puma


An hour after the first of Jürgen Klopp's many jokes, interspersed with his worldly insights into football and life, he returns to a more personal memory. It is fitting and evocative because his passionate club's exhilarating play and outrageous drama, painful transfer intrigue and riotous joy, validates Klopp's claim that "this is the most interesting football project in the world".

It was strangely similar for Klopp at Mainz, the first love of his sporting life. Klopp, who eventually became their coach, used to be a lumbering striker-turned-defender in the German second division, and he suggests that: "Just like every person who works for Liverpool is a fan of the club, it was the same at Mainz. When I was a player there we had 800 supporters on rainy Saturday afternoons and if we died no one would notice or come to our funeral. But we loved the club and we have this same feeling at Liverpool. It's a very special club – a workers' club, even for the non-workers in this great city."

When asked about the recent run of losses and draws, his laughter dies and he looks suddenly stricken, only for a beaming smile to appear again, "Ok this is football. You win and you lose. It must feel terrible for our fans right now but the lows in football is what makes the highs so great. Once we start winning again, that winning feeling is going to be a lot better than if we hadn't gone on a losing run."

Klopp stresses the importance of good football, even if it leads to mixed results in the short term. "Listen a lot of people will say that it is better to be pragmatic, to play the long balls like United, but football is about entertainment. No one remembers the trophies you win or the points you accumulated but they will remember the excitement they felt when they were watching the game. There is also something very empowering about losing while playing the better football, it gives your team self belief. Losing honourably can give you the kind of momentum that you don't get by winning sometimes."

Family, Emotions, and that goal

klopp_rage.jpg

Klopp's wife, Ulla, has seen his emotional side one too many times.

Klopp comes from a small village in the Black Forest – "There were 1,500 people there when I left and 1,499 live there now." He is the father of two grown-up sons and his wife, Ulla, is a writer. "She wrote a book for children," Klopp says. "It's like Harry Potter – but it's about football. There's no Harry Potter flying on his fecking stick – just football. She has been through all the emotional rollercoaster with me. She understands the frustrations that come with being a football manager." The couple recently separated, something that Klopp partially blames himself for but mostly blames a great injustice that happened on that day, "The day when we drew with Manchester United because of that offside goal, I got really emotional. We had talked about how I should act when I am frustrated and emotional. The passion and anger I felt from that offside goal in a game we clearly deserved to win spilled over. She was right to leave."

Liverpool, the club for neutrals

"We are a club, not a company," Klopp says, "but it depends on which kind of story the neutral fan wants to hear. If he respects the story of United, and how much they have won since the 1990s, he can support them. But if he wants the new story, the special story, it must be Liverpool. I think, in this moment in the football world, you have to be on our side."

Source
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