Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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Everything controversial is published these days and words are being twisted, if Dortmunds players really let themselves influence by that interview then they should go back to playing in 5 a side teams on the weekend.
Everything is so close in the League atm so a couple of wins in a row could already see them in the top half of the table.
Louis van Gaal failed to qualify Netherlands for the world cup in South Korea.
He got sacked with Barcelona 3 points above relegation, some of the players at his disposal, De Boer (Frank), Puyol, Xavi, Kluivert, Riquelme, Overmars, Mendieta, Luis Enrique, Iniesta.
He got sacked with FC Bayern when it became apparent he was not going to get them into the champions league places.
He still found himself a good job so I think Klopp should be fine.
He got sacked with Barcelona 3 points above relegation, some of the players at his disposal, De Boer (Frank), Puyol, Xavi, Kluivert, Riquelme, Overmars, Mendieta, Luis Enrique, Iniesta.
He got sacked with FC Bayern when it became apparent he was not going to get them into the champions league places.
He still found himself a good job so I think Klopp should be fine.
This and sadly, next summer it will be someone else's turn to have the cream of Europe stampeding for their services. He really ought to have taken the next step in his career when he had the chance. God forbid if Dortmund do get relegated....
Dortmund and Klopp are lucky they aren't a top club on level like Bayern Munich, Barca, Real Madrid or Manchester United
A defeat (after maybe even 10 wins in a row) is already a disaster for all this clubs
The press/media are still "kindly" to them after this awful this season
A defeat (after maybe even 10 wins in a row) is already a disaster for all this clubs
The press/media are still "kindly" to them after this awful this season
Klopp has a lot of credit with Dortmund. He won't get sacked unless they actually get relegated (which they won't).
Yeah, being mid table is one thing for a Club that aims for the top but bottom of the table 13 games in is absurd and terribly underachieving.
Bottom of the table sounds disastrous, but they're still only 10 points from fourth. Still enough time to make CL.
Just how bad is Kagawa?
We had our worst season in a very long time when he was here, now look what's happened to Dortmund.
He was popular with some of our fans but you can't have a softy like him in the team, it brings down everyone around him I feel.
We had our worst season in a very long time when he was here, now look what's happened to Dortmund.
He was popular with some of our fans but you can't have a softy like him in the team, it brings down everyone around him I feel.
bollocks, sorry. He was Dortmunds main man in the season before you folks fetched him (and didn't use him - so how could he be the reason for a bad season?)
I don't think he would ever get the sack, but i can imagine him stepping down if he feels it would hurt his team if he clung onto his position.
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just one question...what is actually happening there? why are they playing so badly?
I haven't watched them this season but surely he is to blame, certainly for some of it. Sure they've had injury problems but whenever I've checked their results, their line ups appear strong enough. No idea what's wrong with them, but to be bottom of the league at this stage of the season is concerning for them.
They kidded themselves too long that their only problem was their injury list. New players are taking too long to integrate - did they buy the wrong type of players? Even returners like Sahin or Kagawa are underachieving.
Is Klopp himself to blame? He said something along the line that they were still playing as if Lewa was there. Also talents like Durm, Ginter, Jojic are stagnating, maybe they need a break, players his age often do after such a fast rise through the ranks. Yet they play because there is no alternative. Maybe Klopp overestimated his skill to develop talent. Currently, same age players from a number of clubs are passing them left and right.
But i'm just bullshitting, it is only because Bayern boght them out
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Two questions
Two wins on the trot and everything will be right as rain.
2 wins and they would be at 17 points, 20 behind Bayern, and still hover around league spot 10.
The main problem for meThey kidded themselves too long that their only problem was their injury list. New players are taking too long to integrate - did they buy the wrong type of players? Even returners like Sahin or Kagawa are underachieving.
Is Klopp himself to blame? He said something along the line that they were still playing as if Lewa was there. Also talents like Durm, Ginter, Jojic are stagnating, maybe they need a break, players his age often do after such a fast rise through the ranks. Yet they play because there is no alternative. Maybe Klopp overestimated his skill to develop talent. Currently, same age players from a number of clubs are passing them left and right.
But i'm just bullshitting, it is only because Bayern boght them out
I dunno, we're approaching the midpoint of the season, aren't we? They'll stay up, I assume, but there's a possibility they don't qualify for the Champions League now which would be a real shame as they'd surely lose some of their players.
Baby steps.
They need a strong end to the season. Capable, but wonder how much CL participation may take out of them.
They kidded themselves too long that their only problem was their injury list. New players are taking too long to integrate - did they buy the wrong type of players? Even returners like Sahin or Kagawa are underachieving.
Is Klopp himself to blame? He said something along the line that they were still playing as if Lewa was there. Also talents like Durm, Ginter, Jojic are stagnating, maybe they need a break, players his age often do after such a fast rise through the ranks. Yet they play because there is no alternative. Maybe Klopp overestimated his skill to develop talent. Currently, same age players from a number of clubs are passing them left and right.
But i'm just bullshitting, it is only because Bayern boght them out
You forgot the World Cup. Watzke told that as a very big reason...
Yep, the DFB should have given the BVB a 6pt bonus because their players were forced to hang out on the pool with some brazilian chicks and eat Asado all day long, while those Bayern bastards kept themselves fit by sneaking away to kick the ball around with some locals and other touristsYou forgot the World Cup. Watzke told that as a very big reason...
I can't believe Dortmund are bottom of the table, even with the supposed injuries, they should be nowhere near there
I doubt they will finish there and I wouldn't be surprised to see them going a long way in the cl again.I can't believe Dortmund are bottom of the table, even with the supposed injuries, they should be nowhere near there
Am I the only one who thinks that Klopp has been tactically too one-dimensional this season? He should've tried a slightly different system with the new personnel at his disposal.
I think that he has no plan B knows everyone
Another week and yet again more individual brain farts from defenders and attacking players wasting chance after chance.
You can't be serious.
What if I told you that their defence seriously suspect? Hummels is a glamourous player because he's good on the ball and can play a good pass, but he's been quite poor for a while now. Durm is a below average fullback, and Socrates and Subotic have both been well below their level. Behind them is Weidenfeller, one of the most overrated goalkeepers around.
I don't think he'll be sacked but I think teams like Liverpool will be targeting him should Brentan not achieve CL qualification. I would be gutted about this as Klopp is a very likeable bloke and I wouldn't want to root against him.
Hummels being horrible this season is blown a little bit out of proportion, obviously after coming back from his WC injury he wasn't at his best but his last few appearances were good I thought. Sokratis has been good this season. Dortmund really miss these two right now.
The main issues in defense really are Subotic who looks half the player since coming back, Ginter who is really not playing well so far and you could certainly say that Durm isn't a CL-standard fullback. Weidenfeller is also incredibly inconsistent this season.
I think Ginter will come good but my point about Hummels is that he is a defensively suspect centre half. He does the luxury things a defender can provide but not so much the defending.
They are going through a bad spell, it happens with every club and every manager, infact it's going to be a very important learning curve for his career, he's a fantastic manager, and they'll be fine, sooner rather than later.
Just his opinion, but it may have some weighting since he recently interviewed him. Honingstein was saying that he think Klopp would be more likely to take over a Liverpool or United rather than Arsenal. With LvG likely remaining as our coach then Liverpool might have a bit of hope.
It could be possible if Rodgers is sacked and they're not in a great position. As demonstrated at Dortmund, he likes having a project and a team he can significantly improve and build up in his own way. Liverpool could potentially be the ideal club for him in that regard. Let's just hope that if he goes there, he doesn't eventually become less suave than he currently is by giving cringeworthy quotes all the time.
He already had this learning curve at Mainz. He first got them from second into first Bundesliga. Then they were relegated again. And when he was not able to get them back into the Bundesliga in the first season after relegation he went to Dortmund.
Took over Mainz in 2000/01 in midseason on a relegation rank
2000/01 14th 2nd Bundesliga
2001/02 4th 2nd Bundesliga
2002/03 4th 2nd Bundesliga
2003/04 3rd (relegation playoffs) 2nd Bundesliga
2004/05 11th 1st Bundesliga
2005/06 11th 1st Bundesliga
2006/07 16th 1st Bundesliga (lost the playoffs against MSV Duisburg)
2007/08 4th 2nd Bundesliga
and then he went to Dortmund
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He's a great manager, look at what Dortmund have lost over the years. You can't lose your best players every season and magically find replacements.
Klopp or Pep at United after LvG retires is the dream.
Klopp or Pep at United after LvG retires is the dream.
but Giggs is the reality?
so what did they lose? 4 players in as many years. 4 years should be time enough for a coach the calibre everyone thinks Klopp is to replace them.
It isn't as if they didn't get compensated, apart from Lewa, where they chose not to. And it isn't asd if they couldn't spend, because they did - only it didn't have the desired effect.
Now hiring one or two players that finally don't deliver is always possible. But what player Klopp hired in those 4 years *did* deliver apart from Reus?
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There's plenty of examples of a club selling a world class player and struggling to replace him, any ambitious club would prefer to hang onto the world class player than have the money from selling him.
Its too early to look for LvG's replacement.
We are 2.5 yrs away.
But, in 2 yrs we will look for whoever is available/qualified.
Unless Klopp does something amazing to redeem his damaged reputation, I can't see why we should hire a manager who is getting poor results.
We owed nothing Moyes. We hired him and got our fingers burned. We owe nothing to Klopp - if he is to be hired by Man Utd, he needs to justify his credentials.
I dont want Moyes, mk2.
We are 2.5 yrs away.
But, in 2 yrs we will look for whoever is available/qualified.
Unless Klopp does something amazing to redeem his damaged reputation, I can't see why we should hire a manager who is getting poor results.
We owed nothing Moyes. We hired him and got our fingers burned. We owe nothing to Klopp - if he is to be hired by Man Utd, he needs to justify his credentials.
I dont want Moyes, mk2.
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