Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund

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You think they talk English in Dortmunds training sessions? They hardly had any guys that didn't speak German but English, maybe Mkhitaryan or now Immobile. The foreigners they bought have mostly come from the Bundesliga and have already learned the German language to a certain degree. I don't think any club in the Bundesliga, except maybe Bayern Munich, uses another language than German in training.
You stated that he began doing it about 2 years ago which means that quite a few new faces who weren't very good in german joined. And if you want to instruct players with detailed tactical instruction or personal talk you better make yourself understood, like 100% understood. At least if I were a player/manager I would not really like to be in doubt when it came to this.

Anyways, Your speculations are beyond surreal tbh. Did it make sence for Evra to learn Korean when he most likely won't play in K-League? Yes, I know he was a freidn of Parks, but Maybe Klopp got a few English friends, or foreign friends outside of the club, wouldn't that make just as much sence? I'll tell you this much, that before players get the language under their skin, this goes for both sports and work in general, you stick with something that is safe and understandable. I know plenty of coaches around the world, adressing foreign players in English.
 
English is potentially relevant for any non-German they sign in the future. Im sorry, but the thought that someone in Klopp's position can't make good use of basic English skills in his Dortmund job is ridiculous.
 
English is potentially relevant for any non-German they sign in the future. Im sorry, but the thought that someone in Klopp's position can't make good use of basic English skills in his Dortmund job is ridiculous.
Ye, this is pretty much what I wanted to say;)
 
English is potentially relevant for any non-German they sign in the future. Im sorry, but the thought that someone in Klopp's position can't make good use of basic English skills in his Dortmund job is ridiculous.

When did I say that he can't make us of his growing English skills? I just said that his improvement has been remarkable and that's far beyond just "talking with reporters". I honestly doubt that Klopp had any basic English skills to begin with as he was with Mainz since the 90s and English wasn't that important back then. Don't know the interview anymore but I remember him being really poor.

I don't care if some of you describe it as ridiculous or anything, but if you invest that kind of time, he must have really studied quite hard and that's could very well be because he is speculating with a different job in the next years.
 
Look I don't know you but as I have the same mother tongue as Klopp I can guarantee you that Klopp didn't just practice it a bit, by talking to journalists like you make it sound, but that he extensively studied the English language. His improvement has been remarkable and listen to the difference between him and for example Magath, who is typically bad for a German trying to talk English.

But I guess Pep Guardiola also studied German before he got the Bayern Munich stint, or maybe he learned it because he visited Oktoberfest 2 years in a row?

Klopp´s English is basic, very basic. It does the job but an extensive study of the language would make his vocabulary way bigger.


You think they talk English in Dortmunds training sessions? They hardly had any guys that didn't speak German but English, maybe Mkhitaryan or now Immobile. The foreigners they bought have mostly come from the Bundesliga and have already learned the German language to a certain degree. I don't think any club in the Bundesliga, except maybe Bayern Munich, uses another language than German in training.

Funny, I could have sworn how former captain Kehl commented that the communication with Shinji Kagawa has gotten way better, because the latter speaks proper English now. We also transfered a fair bit of players from outside the Bundesliga in the last two seasons: Aubameyang, Immobile, Mkhitaryan, Jojic, Kagawa.

I don´t doubt that Klopp might coach in the PL at one point, but this is hardly an argument in favour of that. Why would he extensively practise English right now for that purpose anyway if it won´t be at least in 2018?
 
Klopp´s English is basic, very basic. It does the job but an extensive study of the language would make his vocabulary way bigger.




Funny, I could have sworn how former captain Kehl commented that the communication with Shinji Kagawa has gotten way better, because the latter speaks proper English now. We also transfered a fair bit of players from outside the Bundesliga in the last two seasons: Aubameyang, Immobile, Mkhitaryan, Jojic, Kagawa.

I don´t doubt that Klopp might coach in the PL at one point, but this is hardly an argument. Why would he practise English right now extensively for that purpose anyway if it won´t be at least in 2018?

Wow, the same Kagawa who has vowed to learn German now. Totally forgot about Aubameyang and Jojic. You're right about them. I never said that he'll DEFINITELY leave before 2018, I said he'll leave EVENTUALLY, which could be very well 2018 or even beyond for all I know. Klopps English is basic, for someone who had it in school. But for someone who has a fulltime job and probably didn't grow up with it, it's gotten really good.
 
Look I don't know you but as I have the same mother tongue as Klopp I can guarantee you that Klopp didn't just practice it a bit, by talking to journalists like you make it sound, but that he extensively studied the English language. His improvement has been remarkable and listen to the difference between him and for example Magath, who is typically bad for a German trying to talk English.

But I guess Pep Guardiola also studied German before he got the Bayern Munich stint, or maybe he learned it because he visited Oktoberfest 2 years in a row?

I too have the same mother tongue as Klopp. His English really isn't anything to write home about. He studied some English way back, didn't have to use it except for communacating with foreign players for a lot of years, so it put on some rust. Then he was put into a situation where he had to speak English more often due to him being involved in international football (Champions League, manager gatherings, talking with people like Sir Alex) and having more and more players who didn't speak the same language he does. So it's natural that his English improved. Guardiolas's English also improved while working as a coach at a big club as Barcelona since it is necessary to speak the world's most important language at least decently when being put into a position where you have to communicate with people from all over the world. Same thing happened to my father back when he was still working and was put into a manager's position at his firm.
Klopp speaks what I consider to be a tiny bit above the absolute minimum for a person in his position. And you can't really compare that to something like Guardiola learning German since German isn't a basic language you have to use in every day life as a football manager.
 
When did I say that he can't make us of his growing English skills? I just said that his improvement has been remarkable and that's far beyond just "talking with reporters". I honestly doubt that Klopp had any basic English skills to begin with as he was with Mainz since the 90s and English wasn't that important back then. Don't know the interview anymore but I remember him being really poor.

I don't care if some of you describe it as ridiculous or anything, but if you invest that kind of time, he must have really studied quite hard and that's could very well be because he is speculating with a different job in the next years.

Well if he uses English for his everyday work then there is a perfectly rational explanation why he worked on that and anything more than that becomes pure speculation without any basis. His English isn't even that great, if he was trying to perfect it for a job in England he probably would've been a lot better at it. In every interview you can see how the language limits him, at the last press conference he answered in German...
 
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So finally some good news for them regarding the injuries. Not convinced that Gundogan will be able to reach his pre-injury peak.
 
We'll see Gundogan return similarly to Fletcher with us, I reckon. Hope he proves me wrong though, he was my dream signing a couple of years back.
 
tomorrow could see the first time that gündogan and mkhitaryan play together in a competitive match.
marco reus is also back in the business. better times ahead.
 
tomorrow could see the first time that gündogan and mkhitaryan play together in a competitive match.
marco reus is also back in the business. better times ahead.
What's the story with Gundogan? Are his nerve issues resolved or could they potentially flare back up in the future?
 
What's the story with Gundogan? Are his nerve issues resolved or could they potentially flare back up in the future?
nobody revealed anything, afaik. he'll miraculously return to the squad tomorrow/today. also i'm not a doc, but i'd go as far as to say that any inflammation can possibly return.

i'd say throw him on the pitch in the 60th minute.
 
Their defence has been worse than ours. That's saying something. Conceding 14 goals in 8 matches is just laughable.
 
Klopp experiences a rough patch for the first time in 4 years, and now he's suddenly shit?:lol:

They will not win the league this season, but they'll definitely shape up and make CL qualification. I also expect them to get really far in the CL.
 
Klopp experiences a rough patch for the first time in 4 years, and now he's suddenly shit?:lol:

They will not win the league this season, but they'll definitely shape up and make CL qualification. I also expect them to get really far in the CL.

I'm limited in my following of German football, but I'm guessing the loss of Lewandowski is having a bit of an impact on them? He was obviously very clinical, so they might struggle for goals a bit more without him.
 
I'm limited in my following of German football, but I'm guessing the loss of Lewandowski is having a bit of an impact on them? He was obviously very clinical, so they might struggle for goals a bit more without him.

I've only watched 2 Dortmund games so far this season, and they were excellent both times, so I'm not the right person to ask.

But after reading what Dortmund supporters online write, it seems to have very little to do with not having Lewandowski. In fact, according to Sphaero, Dortmund has never had a stronger team on paper under Klopp. It's the injuries that are holding them back. They've also been very unlucky in a few games, and conceded a couple of stupid goals.

Players are returning from injury now. It's only a matter of time before they start winning games again.
 
I'm limited in my following of German football, but I'm guessing the loss of Lewandowski is having a bit of an impact on them? He was obviously very clinical, so they might struggle for goals a bit more without him.
Their defending is abysmal, truely shocking. It's a much bigger problem than their finishing (even though that's not really great either at the moment). Only 3 teams in the league have conceded more goals than Dortmund.
 
Mkhitaryan has wasted at least one or two good chances each time I have seen Dortmund this year. Without Lewy finishing the moves, they definitely seem less potent.
 
Mkhitaryan has wasted at least one or two good chances each time I have seen Dortmund this year. Without Lewy finishing the moves, they definitely seem less potent.

Mkhitaryan isn't a CF, though... Also, I thought chance conversion was Lewa's weakness?
 
Their defending is abysmal, truely shocking. It's a much bigger problem than their finishing (even though that's not really great either at the moment). Only 3 teams in the league have conceded more goals than Dortmund.

Is Hummels' place in the national team in any danger? From what I've seen he's been well below-par. It's difficult being part of a poor defensive system of course but he's made an awful lot of unforced individual errors.
 
Didn't see the game, but was it the same as usual for them? Created chances and just wasted them?

The second goal was embarrassing.

Crazy what's happening. Injuries included.
 
Just come back home from the Match. Really surprised Dortmund Lost today! Shinji and Gündogan were so silky, they look so much better when you see them live.
As for Hummels, he has been in shocking form, he didn't communicate well enough with sokratis and it lead to a really shaky back four at time today.
 
I'm limited in my following of German football, but I'm guessing the loss of Lewandowski is having a bit of an impact on them? He was obviously very clinical, so they might struggle for goals a bit more without him.

Ciro Immobile isn't that bad to be fair. He linked up well with Reus and kagawa.
 
Didn't see the game, but was it the same as usual for them? Created chances and just wasted them?

Crazy what's happening. Injuries included.

Had the ball all day long. Great movement but lacked that final touch and couldn't defend. Quite similar to us last year.
 
Is Hummels' place in the national team in any danger? From what I've seen he's been well below-par. It's difficult being part of a poor defensive system of course but he's made an awful lot of unforced individual errors.
Probably not. Höwedes has struggled with injuries all the time and might play leftback again and Mertesacker retired from the nationalteam. Badstuber is again injured for months. I expect us to continue with Boateng and Hummels for now, our next qualification games are twice against Gibraltar and one game against Georgia. It really shouldn't matter who plays in defense in those 3 games and in theory Durm - Hummels is the most talented leftback/left centerback combination we have. If they continue to struggle at Dortmund and in the nationalteam for the rest of the season, we might see a different line-up for the important games against Poland, Ireland and Scotland, but the first of those three games is in September 2015.
 
Jogi löw switched back to a 4231 (compared to a 433 during the world cup), so I fully expect our defence to struggle again. Proberbly not against Gibraltar or Georgia, but the other teams can all trouble us.
 
Klopp experiences a rough patch for the first time in 4 years, and now he's suddenly shit?:lol:

They will not win the league this season, but they'll definitely shape up and make CL qualification. I also expect them to get really far in the CL.
Why??

They're very bad in the league and wins against Arsenal (Average season in the league) & Anderlecht don't say "We can beat the best teams in the world over two legs"

I think they've made the same mistake like Liverpool with Suarez......Immobile will not score 20-25 goals for them and Ramos is Hertha BSC Berlin level
 
I'm starting to think they could struggle to qualify for the Champions league. If the injury situation doesn't improve soon they'll be a long way back.
 
I'm starting to think they could struggle to qualify for the Champions league. If the injury situation doesn't improve soon they'll be a long way back.

6 or 7 points back from 4th I think. 2 wins and they are running again. The other top teams beside Bayern had and will have their troubles. 4th should be secure.
 
Why??

They're very bad in the league and wins against Arsenal (Average season in the league) & Anderlecht don't say "We can beat the best teams in the world over two legs"

I think they've made the same mistake like Liverpool with Suarez......Immobile will not score 20-25 goals for them and Ramos is Hertha BSC Berlin level

why shouldnt they? It doesnt mean when you struggle in the league that you will struggle in the CL. They played totally different in the CL so far, it is like they just can motivate themselves in that tournament.
 
why shouldnt they? It doesnt mean when you struggle in the league that you will struggle in the CL. They played totally different in the CL so far, it is like they just can motivate themselves in that tournament.
Of course it's possible but i can't see it.

They're making so many mistakes in the defence....a Lewandowski could maybe score a hat-trick in a match against Cologne (or Hamburg two weeks ago) and they could still win a match.
But like said they don't have a striker like him and their attacking players can't score enough goals to get something from this matches.

We're average/poor in the defence too....but Di Maria, Rooney, Falcao, RVP, Mata & Januzaj can give us enough goals to win matches against clubs like QPR, West Ham or Everton.

Bayern Munich vs Dortmund in two weeks will be very important for Dortmund....first of all they must beat Hannover next weekend
If they beat Hannover and then can beat Bayern Munich or at least a draw with a very good game.....then they go up in the table
But no win against Hannover then they're really fecked and will probably lose 3-0/4-0 in the Allianz Arena
 
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