Because they want him to take them to Mount Splashmore.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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Because they want him to take them to Mount Splashmore.
He is clearly interested and would like to hear from us. This is a good sign,right?
Really?.Sounds more like he's very happy at Dortmund , but feels flattered.
If he's their number one choice, test him. Ask to speak with him and let Ferguson's Jedi mind powers have a crack at him. If he still says no, then good luck to him.
The way I see it is that if we approach Dortmund and they allow us to speak to him then he can interpret that as 'not all those involved' having the feeling he's the right coach for them and he'd consider leaving for us. The flipside of course being that if Dortmund just didn't allow us to talk to him then obviously there'd be no chance.
A little update for those of you interested in Dortmund's squad next season:
You all know that Lewandowski will move to Bayern. Most of you will also know that he wouldn't be replaced by one striker but two, one being Adrian Ramos (currently Hertha BSC). Many of you will know that Ciro Immobile is according to various sources our second striker target, and that we've already sealed a deal with Dong-Won Ji (currently Augsburg) though it was made clear that he's planned for our attacking midfield (though he can play as FW, too).
Interestingly enough and not widely known yet is that apparently, BVB execs consider loaning Ji to Augsburg for one season.
If these reports are true, I wonder if this has always been the plan or whether it's a rather recent development because someone else becomes available. My first thoughts were "#freeShinji is finally ON"
but this was before I heard Watzke today saying that he doesn't see a spot for our little Japanese friend.
I'm even more curious now about our additional summer signings now, i.e. if on top of Matthias Ginter (hopefully to be confirmed soon) and a 2nd striker we'll welcome a another new member in black'n yellow. Can't wait!
You all know that Lewandowski will move to Bayern. Most of you will also know that he wouldn't be replaced by one striker but two, one being Adrian Ramos (currently Hertha BSC). Many of you will know that Ciro Immobile is according to various sources our second striker target, and that we've already sealed a deal with Dong-Won Ji (currently Augsburg) though it was made clear that he's planned for our attacking midfield (though he can play as FW, too).
Interestingly enough and not widely known yet is that apparently, BVB execs consider loaning Ji to Augsburg for one season.
If these reports are true, I wonder if this has always been the plan or whether it's a rather recent development because someone else becomes available. My first thoughts were "#freeShinji is finally ON"
but this was before I heard Watzke today saying that he doesn't see a spot for our little Japanese friend.I'm even more curious now about our additional summer signings now, i.e. if on top of Matthias Ginter (hopefully to be confirmed soon) and a 2nd striker we'll welcome a another new member in black'n yellow. Can't wait!
It must be nice to look forward to transfer windows.
I doubt that transfers like Ramos or Ji would excite you - but it's certainly one of the benefits supporting a comparably small fish in the pond: Makes it easy to control your inner muppet!
A little update for those of you interested in Dortmund's squad next season:
You all know that Lewandowski will move to Bayern. Most of you will also know that he wouldn't be replaced by one striker but two, one being Adrian Ramos (currently Hertha BSC). Many of you will know that Ciro Immobile is according to various sources our second striker target, and that we've already sealed a deal with Dong-Won Ji (currently Augsburg) though it was made clear that he's planned for our attacking midfield (though he can play as FW, too).
Interestingly enough and not widely known yet is that apparently, BVB execs consider loaning Ji to Augsburg for one season.
If these reports are true, I wonder if this has always been the plan or whether it's a rather recent development because someone else becomes available. My first thoughts were "#freeShinji is finally ON"
I'm even more curious now about our additional summer signings now, i.e. if on top of Matthias Ginter (hopefully to be confirmed soon) and a 2nd striker we'll welcome a another new member in black'n yellow. Can't wait!
So to summarize; you're loaning out Dong to welcome a new member? Germans.
I'm wondering if that's the case or whether it was more or less planned from the start. We bid for Ji in summer 2013 but withdrew as Sunderland wanted a ridiculously high fee. I suspect the deal was done at that time already as Ji is this summer a free agent, and until a couple of weeks ago, it was unclear if we could spend big (on a Dortmund scale) and factor the CL money into our budget or not.maybe he s not interested. Sometimes ppl keep repeating same things because reporters keep asking same questions everytime. That s the case with pogba for example, people keep asking why he keeps mentioning us every time he speaks to press-the answer is simple,reporters always make a question or 2 about us. Mentioning united in a an article sells
A little update for those of you interested in Dortmund's squad next season:
You all know that Lewandowski will move to Bayern. Most of you will also know that he wouldn't be replaced by one striker but two, one being Adrian Ramos (currently Hertha BSC). Many of you will know that Ciro Immobile is according to various sources our second striker target, and that we've already sealed a deal with Dong-Won Ji (currently Augsburg) though it was made clear that he's planned for our attacking midfield (though he can play as FW, too).
Interestingly enough and not widely known yet is that apparently, BVB execs consider loaning Ji to Augsburg for one season.
If these reports are true, I wonder if this has always been the plan or whether it's a rather recent development because someone else becomes available. My first thoughts were "#freeShinji is finally ON"
I'm even more curious now about our additional summer signings now, i.e. if on top of Matthias Ginter (hopefully to be confirmed soon) and a 2nd striker we'll welcome a another new member in black'n yellow. Can't wait!
Where does Aubameyang figure in all this? If you have two attacking midfielders (Mkhitarian and Ji) and two strikers (Ramos and Immobile), will he be mostly played as a winger? Is he a starter or more of a squad player?
Hard to tell, TBH. More of a squad player due to Kevin Großkreutz and Jojic occupying a spot in AM (though Jojic was mainly bought because of his abilities on the no.8 (= Gündogan successor!); his AM qualities were "just" a nice surplus).
Since BVB monitored him for about 1.5 years and had approached him in December 2012, he was for sure no spontaneous buy but a conscious decision.
Klopp explained last summer why he bought Aubame - because he's fast and been a goal threat in the French league, scoring from shots, volley shots, headers, set-pieces, ... Klopp had also mentioned that Aubame's challenge will be similar to the one Kuba had to master a couple of years ago: To not just wait high on the pitch for being fed with passes or to counter attack but to learn ho wo defend well,to learn gegenpressing, and to become comfortable within tight spaces. Aubame has done quite well given that he came from a foreign league and from a team with a very different philosophy (and no CL football) but there's quite some room for improvement.
OTOH, if you look at his statistics, he's much better than many Dortmund fans perceive. For example, he gave us nine times the lead this Bundesliga season - more often than any other BVB player. Before yesterday's match, he also had a slightly better shot accuracy and conversion rate than Lewandowski, Reus, or Mkhitaryan. Ask most Dortmund fans and they wouldn't believe those numbers.
Anyone still thinking he's coming to United? Because he's not.
Stunning insight.
Hard to tell, TBH. More of a squad player due to Kevin Großkreutz and Jojic occupying a spot in AM (though Jojic was mainly bought because of his abilities on the no.8 (= Gündogan successor!); his AM qualities were "just" a nice surplus).
Since BVB monitored him for about 1.5 years and had approached him in December 2012, he was for sure no spontaneous buy but a conscious decision.
Klopp explained last summer why he bought Aubame - because he's fast and been a goal threat in the French league, scoring from shots, volley shots, headers, set-pieces, ... Klopp had also mentioned that Aubame's challenge will be similar to the one Kuba had to master a couple of years ago: To not just wait high on the pitch for being fed with passes or to counter attack but to learn ho wo defend well,to learn gegenpressing, and to become comfortable within tight spaces. Aubame has done quite well given that he came from a foreign league and from a team with a very different philosophy (and no CL football) but there's quite some room for improvement.
OTOH, if you look at his statistics, he's much better than many Dortmund fans perceive. For example, he gave us nine times the lead this Bundesliga season - more often than any other BVB player. Before yesterday's match, he also had a slightly better shot accuracy and conversion rate than Lewandowski, Reus, or Mkhitaryan. Ask most Dortmund fans and they wouldn't believe those numbers.
Cheers for the explanation. For someone who isn't a fan, it is easy to make judgements based on stats and highlights. He seemed to be delivering judging by that but I guess it is a different story if you watch him every week.
How impressive has been Ji for Augsburg?
I have seen him for Sunderland six-seven times and he has hardly looked Sunderland class let alone Dortmund class. However Dortmund have an excellent scouting system so they must have seen something in him.
I have seen him for Sunderland six-seven times and he has hardly looked Sunderland class let alone Dortmund class. However Dortmund have an excellent scouting system so they must have seen something in him.
Ji was quite impressive when he joined Augsburg on loan for the 2nd half of last season (2012/13). Technically gifted, fast, lots of stamina. Since he re-joined them in January/February this year, he's been okay (equalized against us!
) but has been injured for a number of games which makes it hard to judge on him now. I'm waiting for more insightful Klopp interviews in summer to understand what exactly Klopp sees in him and what his plans with Ji are.Though we have a saying "in Klopp we trust", it's not that he's always right. Look at Julian Schieber, Moritz Leitner, or Leo Bittencourt - or Oliver Kirch until very recently. But cases like Jojic, Durm, or converting Großkreutz into one of the best RBs in the Bundesliga confirms that he knows a thing or two about his job.
Wait, there's actually a player named "Ciro Immobile"? 
Many people don't make the effort to verify their subjective perception by statistics. I don't wanna imply that stats are purely objective but they can help to put things into pespective. The reason why I dug for Aubame's stats was because I felt that Reus and Lewa were also quite wasteful but people did not recognize because they've fully absorbed Klopp's style while Aubame hasn't. I was actually quite surprised that Aubame's stats were the best ones, I had expected him to be a tad weaker than the two but in the same range.
I doubt that he exceeded Klopp's expectations for his first season, but if you've followed our club for a while, you may recall that many fans wanted to ship Lewandowski out after his first 6-8 months, were mocking on Kuba for a long time, and felt that Ilkay was an epic failure during his first 6 months. This taught me to trust in Klopp's hires, and patience with our new players, regardless of their price tag.
Even funnier: He's Serie A's top scorer!Wait, there's actually a player named "Ciro Immobile"?
A little update for those of you interested in Dortmund's squad next season:
You all know that Lewandowski will move to Bayern. Most of you will also know that he wouldn't be replaced by one striker but two, one being Adrian Ramos (currently Hertha BSC). Many of you will know that Ciro Immobile is according to various sources our second striker target, and that we've already sealed a deal with Dong-Won Ji (currently Augsburg) though it was made clear that he's planned for our attacking midfield (though he can play as FW, too).
Interestingly enough and not widely known yet is that apparently, BVB execs consider loaning Ji to Augsburg for one season.
If these reports are true, I wonder if this has always been the plan or whether it's a rather recent development because someone else becomes available. My first thoughts were "#freeShinji is finally ON"
I'm even more curious now about our additional summer signings now, i.e. if on top of Matthias Ginter (hopefully to be confirmed soon) and a 2nd striker we'll welcome a another new member in black'n yellow. Can't wait!
Never seen him play before, is Adrian Ramos good enough to replace Lewandowski?
Also whenever I've watched you this season Mkhitarian has been poor, a hugely step down from Gotze and Kagawa before him. Any possibility of replacing him?
Non of the strikers Dortmund is bringing in is able to replace Lewandwoski directly I would say. But Immobile has probably the best chances to earn a permanent place in their first team and Ramos is a very good backup striker imo.
Since Lewandowski cannot be replaced by any striker within our reach, Klopp will play differently than what we're used to. He has always changed formation and/or tactics whenever we lost a key player, whether it was Nuri, Shinji, or Götze. Lewandowski will be no different.
Regarding Mkhitaryan, I'm aware that superficially, his season looks disappointing but if you look closer, it's not that simple. First of all, Klopp did say from the start that he's a totally different player than Götze and shouldn't be compared to him.
Secondly, Henrik had some brilliant matches, including key matches like the home match against Napoli or the away derby at Schalke. Moreover, he's defensively much more solid than Götze or Kagawa have ever been, and that has been extremely important this season with our defense line being for most of the time totally torn apart due to multiple and long injuries. That's not what is striking to most observers and for sure less fancy than elegant moves or dribblings.
Most importantly though, he was supposed to build an axis with Gündogan who, as you may know, played exactly 56 minutes for us this season. Sahin made a terrific job (and is, BTW, the only player who played all BL matches for us; not even Kevin and Lewa achieved this!) but he is a totally different type of DM than Gündogan. IIRC, Ilkay and Henrik linked up really well in the friendlies, and although I don't extrapolate from summer friendlies to competitive games, I at least think I understand what Klopp had envisioned. Generally it has been a difficult season for new players (including our youngsters like Hofmann) as we've lost players due to injuries on an almost weekly basis. During CL weeks, you can hardly do any proper training, let alone train a new set up with different players.
Last but not least, Mkhitaryan got injured during the summer camp and missed the most important training time with his new mates. For all these reasons, I'll wait with my final judgement until we experience a longer injury free time.
I wouldn't want my striker to be Immobile.
No way!!!!Even funnier: He's Serie A's top scorer!
Haven't followed Serie A much this season at all. But Ciro Immobile? FFS.
Ji was quite impressive when he joined Augsburg on loan for the 2nd half of last season (2012/13). Technically gifted, fast, lots of stamina. Since he re-joined them in January/February this year, he's been okay (equalized against us!
Though we have a saying "in Klopp we trust", it's not that he's always right. Look at Julian Schieber, Moritz Leitner, or Leo Bittencourt - or Oliver Kirch until very recently. But cases like Jojic, Durm, or converting Großkreutz into one of the best RBs in the Bundesliga confirms that he knows a thing or two about his job.
Cheers for the info.
We have a midfielder who is pretty Immobile.
Unfortunately, it seems like most of our team is immobile at the current time.
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To be honest, Ji did shows glimpses of quality at sunderland. However, he was just not good enough for the premier league.
Maybe he was better in the Bundesliga because of the lack of intensity, physicality and speed if the game. People often argue that a player from one league will not be as good in the Pl for those reasons mentioned, but in this instance, he has already been in Pl and has not done well.
If Dortmund see quality in him ( he does have huge potential) and see that they can mould him into their system, all credit to them.
Compared to a rather tense transfer business last summer (according to Dortmund standards), this year looks pretty calm:
- Ramos and Ji are done deals and officially announced.
- Transfer guru diMarzio reports that BVB and Immobile have agreed on a deal, and that it's now only up to the clubs to come to terms.
- The situation for Matthias Ginter is similar though Freibury stated that so far no acceptable offer has been made. (Typical for Zorc ... )
I hope for some exciting United and Chelsea transfer sagas now as substitutes for our 'boring' summer.
- Ramos and Ji are done deals and officially announced.
- Transfer guru diMarzio reports that BVB and Immobile have agreed on a deal, and that it's now only up to the clubs to come to terms.
- The situation for Matthias Ginter is similar though Freibury stated that so far no acceptable offer has been made. (Typical for Zorc ...
)I hope for some exciting United and Chelsea transfer sagas now as substitutes for our 'boring' summer.
Feels good to get your business done early and watch the ensuing chaos in the transfer market, doesn't it?
All of them are great buys, hopefully the Ginter/Immobile deals go through.
All of them are great buys, hopefully the Ginter/Immobile deals go through.
If you guys get Ginter,Immobile,Ramos and Firminho the gap to us is closed by some distance. What a team!
Apparently Dortmund is about to sign Ciro Immobile from Torino FC.
To quote a guy from reddit: "He's going nowhere"
To quote a guy from reddit: "He's going nowhere"
Fixed.Apparently Dortmund has signed Ciro Immobile from FC Torino.
To quote a guy from reddit: "He's going nowhere fast "
Immobile is really tearing it up in the Serie A this season. The problem is, he is co-owned by Torino and Juventus and while Torino are unlikely to refuse to sell, Juventus' plans for him are still unknown. I think Dortmund will get him though, especially if the stories about Immobile wanting to move are true. If Juve agree to sell, they'll receive a nice profit from a player that wasn't even in their squad this year, albeit a really talented one. At least they'd be left with Domenico Berardi. Dortmund have been linked with Lukaku, Wilfried Bony and Jo (the former City striker) so they surely would have a back up plan if Immobile's transfer collapses.
Ginter is a great talent who's already in Germany's provisional squad for the World Cup. Even if he doesn't make it to Brazil, it's still nice recognition for him at such an young age. He's already good enough for the Bundesliga but will surely only get better. He'd be a brilliant back up for Hummels and Subotic and I'm sure Klopp would integrate him slowly and carefully into the first team instead of rushing him. His ability to play in midfield would be a big, big bonus as well. I'd guess that he'd occupy Friedrich's place in the squad?
Ramos is a good signing - a well established Bundesliga striker. He can't directly replace Lewandowski's overall contributions to Dortmund's play nor his goals but him and potentially Immobile would be a good fix by Dortmund considering the delicate situation. Seems like Ji could be loaned out next season, especially if Dortmund decide to get Roberto Firmino from Hoffenheim. Augsburg have been good for him and have given him a chance so it wouldn't be the worst case scenario if he spends some time away from Dortmund for invaluable playing time (similar to Leitner but maybe not a two-season loan this time).
Speaking of Leitner - is he doing well at Stuttgart?
Ginter is a great talent who's already in Germany's provisional squad for the World Cup. Even if he doesn't make it to Brazil, it's still nice recognition for him at such an young age. He's already good enough for the Bundesliga but will surely only get better. He'd be a brilliant back up for Hummels and Subotic and I'm sure Klopp would integrate him slowly and carefully into the first team instead of rushing him. His ability to play in midfield would be a big, big bonus as well. I'd guess that he'd occupy Friedrich's place in the squad?
Ramos is a good signing - a well established Bundesliga striker. He can't directly replace Lewandowski's overall contributions to Dortmund's play nor his goals but him and potentially Immobile would be a good fix by Dortmund considering the delicate situation. Seems like Ji could be loaned out next season, especially if Dortmund decide to get Roberto Firmino from Hoffenheim. Augsburg have been good for him and have given him a chance so it wouldn't be the worst case scenario if he spends some time away from Dortmund for invaluable playing time (similar to Leitner but maybe not a two-season loan this time).
Speaking of Leitner - is he doing well at Stuttgart?
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