Well, let's just disagree then. There is, by the way, surprisingly little raw about those two guys. That's what makes them so great.WhatFor 120 they would bite both our hands off for either of them. 120 for both of them is actually a bit much. They are raw as hell.
Julian Weigl | Mail Online Sport - "Next On List After Matic & Dier"(Out Injured Until September)
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think you quoted the wrong guy you meant to quote the guy that replied to me
I'd rather have Matic then Dier long before I even considered this guy, I doubt he's ready to come in and dominate a midfield in the Premier League.
Neither is Dier
That's why Matic is my first choice. No transfer comes with guarantees, but I don't think a player (Fabinho) who has only played for second rate teams, in second rate leagues will have a high chance of coming in and controlling a midfield in this league. Dier has a better chance of that. It's all about risk, and I'd rather take a risk on Dier. Matic would represent even less risk.
So a player who played in midfield for a club that reached the UCL semi, vs Dier one that isn't the first choice at Spurs in midfield, whos midfield were totally outclassed by Monaco in the UCL too... ok.
Risk wise I'd say Dier is a bigger risk than you're making out. I do agree Matic would be the safest option though, but then again, his form over the past 2 years has not been great.
I don't care how far Monaco got in a cup - a knock-out tournament where anything can happen. They are a second rate team. More importantly the French league is second rate. He has not been challenged week in week out like he would be here.
This guy is one hell of a player.. Silky smooth on the ball, great passing ability and young. Will become a terrific signing for anyone who signs him..
They're not a second rate team compared to Spurs. Compared to United yes.
Edit:. Whoops, misread post
I believe they are. But whether we agree on that or not, the league is second rate and thats more important. He's not being tested week in week out as a Spurs player is.
Are you still talking about Weigl?
The other side of risk is reward. A player like Weigl who constitutes a bit of a risk also offers the possibility of significant upside if things pan out.
If there was low risk and significant upside his price would be a multiple of what it is. Which may not be an issue either, but its not clear there are many players in that category and this position available.
Your view is still perfectly legitimate - that it is better to play it safe, get a player who guarantees you 6/10 performances, rather than someone who could be a 4 or could be an 8. But personally I prefer the idea of taking the risk with the possibility of a greater return.
I mean, that's just completely untrue.
The other side of risk is not reward otherwise there would be no risk! The other side of risk is unknown. Could be success, could be failure. I'd stay clear of the casinos if I was you
I would expect more than 6/10 from Matic otherwise he wouldn't be my first choice.You understand that in casinos you take risk and the greater the risk you take, the greater the potential prize, right?The other side of risk is not reward otherwise there would be no risk! The other side of risk is unknown. Could be success, could be failure. I'd stay clear of the casinos if I was you
Yes I do, what's your point?
It's OK I made it in my original post.
You said "the other side of risk is reward". And I said it isn't. It could be. Reading your original post I think you're saying you'd rather take a greater risk with a chance of a greater return than a smaller risk with less chance of a big return. We'd be very different managers! For me, now is not the time to take a risk on a player from a second rate league.
EDIT: I confess I'm not much of a gambler, maybe Mourinho isn't either? Because my instinct is that he too, would prefer Matic.
TBF, Dier played CB in the 2nd game, with Wanyama serving as the DM. Still, the point is that the Monaco midfield outperformed the Spurs midfield.
As we head deeper into the transfer window, the reservations about Bakayoko & Fabinho seem to be growing. Yeah, they were a dynamic duo for Monaco, but at times they were more suited going forward instead of really playing DM/Holding, hence questions about their positional awareness. Heck, City cut them open in the first game, so it's not like either covered themselves in defensive glory.
Concerning Weigl, it would be an interesting gamble if we went in for him while he is injured a la Gundogan, although I'm rather sure BVB won't sell this window in any case (unless there was an exorbitant bid).
I'd be a shite manager to be honest.
Maybe not my friend, you'd maybe take a few more risks than me, maybe some would turn out like Kleberson or Anderson, but maybe, just maybe you'd find a Ronaldo. Whereas I'd have a team of Matics and Lukakus! We'd all love the chance though!
I don't rate Bakayoko as a DM, infact hes not a DM. Fabinho on the other hand is very good in a holding role.
Weigl looks like a special talent and Id be happy with him tbh, given we have Carrick and also Herrera who can do jobs there
Last season's Monaco would have destroyed us.
I don't disagree
Weigl is arguably already a better player than Dier or Matic but for his higher ceiling alone I'd invest in him.
We'd have killed them on the break. They were too open.
Some folks saying they rather we have matic than this guy... I mean, Matic is ok, but Weigl has the potential to be a better version of busquets.