You do remember he is currently still in an extended break now, right?Poch can't catch a break!
Julian Nagelsmann | Sacked and replaced by Tuchel
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Yeah let's hope they win every trophy every year. Or something.
Bayern's board thinks that Julian has missed too much in the Bundesliga. Their Bundesliga title is the most important priority to show that they are the strongest team in Bundesliga. They show their inconsistency in league games, which everyone can notice with pleasant eyes. Another reason is Bayern board members, favor Tuchel and also think he is the right man for Bayern. They don't want to lose him to Real Madrid( after this Ancelotti's stint) or Spurs with uncertain circumstances.
Some sources also say that he has conflicts with the board members, and some players don't trust this man anymore. Tuchel also seems a better choice to face Guardiola's team in UCL. He is an experienced tactician, which is a better choice than Julian.
He'll go to totenham with a point to prove i think...and will probably fail.
He'd be wise to stay far away from spurs. Very harsh sacking imo. Only 4 points off dortmund who are 1st. Havent conceeded in 7 champions league games. Their form has been wonky after the WC.
Maybe wait to see if chelsea job becomes available.
1 point behind. Next game is against them as well. Unfair sacking, but that is top level football.
Anyone would be wise to stay away from spurs although his options at the top level are kinda limited though there will always be vacancies at the top level eventually, maybe he'll luck out and land the Madrid job in the unlikely scenario.
If you hire a 33 year old coach, it's clear he can't have the authority of Guardiola or aura of Ancelotti. These only come with age and titles. I'm sure the board was aware of this.
However, Nagelmann loved to change formations and tinker with the individual roles of the players. Benching players who played well just to try another system. This didn't bode well with some influential players but even worse lead to very inconsistent performances.
Head he just sticked to the system we played before the WC, I believe he would still be Bayern's head coach.
However, Nagelmann loved to change formations and tinker with the individual roles of the players. Benching players who played well just to try another system. This didn't bode well with some influential players but even worse lead to very inconsistent performances.
Head he just sticked to the system we played before the WC, I believe he would still be Bayern's head coach.
Bayern absolutely livid there’s an actual title race this season, absolutely unacceptable. That made me laugh.
The problem is that there is a title race not because Dortmund is playing extraordinarily well but Bayern is playing inconsistent and far below their potential.
Draws at home against Köln, Stuttgart, Gladbach and Frankfurt as well as losses to Gladbach, Augsburg and Leverkusen which aren't even in top 7 of the table are just not acceptable.
Since the WC there is clear downward spiral and you can't bank on top CL performances like against PSG when the league form is deteriorating. Frequent formation and system changes didn't help either to achieve more consistency.
Hoping Spurs dont get him. They should get their favorite turdy football, defensive minded coaches.
Yes.
It is, indeed, entitled to think that Bayern should only lose a title to an extraordinary opponent.
It's there even in the phrasing. The "ordinary" state of things is that the title belongs to Bayern Munich.
So are they just going to be sacking coaches the moment 2nd place becomes competitive. Quite ridiculous
Says a Real Madrid fan where Ancelotti is also under immense pressure after winning the title and CL the season before, because he is trailing Barcelona.
While Barcelona aren't what they used to be, they are several levels above a mediocre Dortmund side, which couldn't even get past terrible Chelsea in CL.
The Boringliga is desperate for a new league winner.
Even if I was a Bayern fan I would welcome it. How you lot enjoy lifting that every season is beyond me, must feel so hollow.
Success is like money. You never can't enough of it.
I believe every fan want his team win every game. I don't care much about the title but i don't want watch Bayern losing.
If Bayern would start the league with handicap of -20 points and win every game but still don't win the title I would be happier than Bayern winning the title with 3 losses and 7 draws
If he comes to Spurs I'm fully going to embrace the complete turnaround in here about what a quality manager he is to being overrated and useless immediately. This is the way.
Ancelotti's job is in danger because there's a high likelihood that Real Madrid win no major titles this season. If that happens then he will lose his job at the end of the season.
I personally don't agree with this 'fired if you don't win titles' policy, but it makes some sense. You are giving the manager the opportunity to fail, if they do it is their responsibility and they pay for it.
What Bayern have done is the equivalent of Real Madrid firing Ancelotti on the 1st of March.
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He would be a fantastic appointment for Spurs. They would be extremely lucky to have it timed this way, with Conte’s recent downfall. I would like to see him in England.
You got a point here and this was also the plan of the Bayern board.
However, word is Tuchel informed the Bayern board, if they want him they need to decide now, because he won't wait until the end of the season to take on a new job.
Besides a good wage, what can Spurs offer Nagelsman?
Nagelsman has coached the biggest team in Germany, where he's won the title. At Spurs the chances of winning anything are low.
The issue with Spurs is they keep apportioning coaches who want to win titles. However, the club is happy with 4-6th place. Eventually this leads to their coaches feeling frustrated and angry and causes issues.
Going for Nagelsman would show Spurs haven't learned anything. They need a coach aligned to their objectives.
Wonder how Tuchel will get along with all those ex players you got running the club. Not really sure it’s going to work but he will get you trophies.
I think the risk for Nagelsmann is that at most top-level jobs that might be available, you'll get fired after your first season if you don't win anything (PSG, Real Madrid). I don't know that he can afford two top-level sackings in quick succession.
The PL, due to how competitive it is, is the only major league where you can just tread water for a while.
Being a club that doesn't expect to play a dominant possession-based style. If you look at Nagelsmann's career it becomes more and more obvious that this is his big weakness. He likes to create some kind of calculated chaos and that works excellently for underdog teams like Hoffenheim, but it did only get him on par results in Leipzig (and a quite good CL run, but that fits because there they were the underdog team), but he truly fails at building teams that can consistently control matches.
Watching Nagelsmann's Bayern never made you think that they are in total control and that nothing could harm them. You mostly felt like yes, they are obviously better, but they are also vulnerable and then it becomes a question of luck if that vulnerability can be exploited.
Usually managers who are successful at this tier of clubs are much more focused on ironing out chaos and inconsistency, and so far it looks like Nagelsmann just isn't able to do this step up. So this makes me wonder if a club better than Spurs would try his luck and approach Nagelsmann?
A job at a club like Tottenham would be better for Nagelsmann than a job at a top club right now. I just seen Tuchel in the press conference - and I remember press conferences of him at Dortmund - the whole guy has changed and "grew up". I think that at midtable clubs tactics might me more important - at big clubs empathy and player management is far more important (so tactics are a part, too). And the last points are some that you learn with time.
Nagelsmann's kind of tactics better match to the contenders, not the top clubs where mistakes or a loss in between are more accepted and a win more celebrated and not expected.
Nagelsmann's kind of tactics better match to the contenders, not the top clubs where mistakes or a loss in between are more accepted and a win more celebrated and not expected.
Nagelsmann did overperform in his second season at Leipzig, remember: they had sold Timo Werner and brought in Hwang and Sörloth as his replacements. Sabitzer was his top scorer with 8 goals. Yet he (sort of) kept up with Bayern until April. They arguably would have had a decent shot at the title with an actual striker and the final table didn't do their season justice, because they imploded after his switch to Bayern became public. He also did so averaging 57% possession, about the same as Favre's Dortmund and Bosz's Leverkusen. Just .8 percentage points behind Bayern. So they weren't playing like an underdog that year either.
And I don't really see the point of him joining Spurs, I mean he already coached Bayern and surely his objective is to get back to that level asap. Avoiding pressure and the favourite's role won't help him much in that regard, it would deny him the opportunity to prove that he's learned from whatever went wrong at Bayern.
I probably should grant him that overperformance, you are right.
But the possession stats actually prove my point (and it is valid for his Bayern team as well): Despite having a lot of possession I often feel like they lack control over the matches.
There are some people who say that but others like me know he is a quality manager and he would be a great fit for Spurs. They should get him in before someone else does.
The bar for being a good spurs manager isn't that high. If he can win a domestic cup he's virtually a legend already.
Yeah, a lot less pressure than some of the other jobs being named for him. And he's more likely to have an influence in transfer policy there than lets say Madrid or PSG.
A german man took the jerb of another german man because his german bosses allowed it to happen and they spread the rumours to the german media before it's even official. Probably the most german fussball event in the decade. The winner? FC Bayern as usual. Whenever something happens there it's Bayern that gets the benefits.
Personally I'd be fairly neutral about him. He's seemed to be the next big thing since Leipzig but it's not quite worked out at Bayern (maybe somewhat harshly). He's still got it all to prove (and the bulk of a long career in which to do it).
I don't think that's true.
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They had the lowest xGA by far that season, they also had the lowest volume of shots conceded per game at 7.8 (compared to Bayern's 10.1).
Yet Conte is getting sacked despite us sitting in 4th in the league. If there was no pressure here why is he getting sacked?
Is that a man under less pressure than if he was at a 'big club'?
Conte is interested in winning things. Not paying the stadium off. That's where the frustration comes from I think.
I think Nagelsmann a very good manager. Will almost certainly come to the PL eventually.
Can't see why he'd take the Spurs job to compete for 4th every season. Probably go to Real Madrid end of the season.
I think Nagelsmann a very good manager. Will almost certainly come to the PL eventually.
Can't see why he'd take the Spurs job to compete for 4th every season. Probably go to Real Madrid end of the season.
Oh it is definitely true that I feel that wayI don't think that's true.
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They had the lowest xGA by far that season, they also had the lowest volume of shots conceded per game at 7.8 (compared to Bayern's 10.1).
However I am not sure which stats would be useful to prove my feelings right, and maybe it simply was a false impression. But the way this was exploited in some crucial matches makes me think that I am probably right about this.
Maybe I can phrase it this way, if everyone is 100% up to his task on the pitch it works very well what Nagelsmann tries, but at 90% it can result in a disaster, while other approaches to football are much more resilient.
Es ist einfach wie wir rollen, ja
Yes. That is a man fed up with being at a club where neither the board nor the players show any ambition. A club where top 4 and no trophies is good enough.
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