Julian Nagelsmann | Sacked and replaced by Tuchel

How on earth is sacking the manager when he is a point off top and in the UCL quarter finals the right decision?

I think it makes perfectly sense to tie the decision to fire the manager not on the position in the table.
How often is the problem exactly that? You fire a great manager cause he didint win a couple of games, or worse you keep a dead horse in the position just because he got some lucky wins.
Such a decision should be based on a much more diverse approach, unfortunately it is seldom the case in football.
 
I get why Bayern get rid but I also understand, that a lot of people will not.
All that’s needed to explain the sacking is that he has a worse points per game average in the league than Kovac had. Doesn’t mean you have to fire him. But it should be enough to justify it.
 
All that’s needed to explain the sacking is that he has a worse points per game average in the league than Kovac had. Doesn’t mean you have to fire him. But it should be enough to justify it.
I agree and on top of that the underwhelming league results are not due to being unlucky.
The CL results blind some since they do look good. But the team doesn't seem to be developing and the style of play is not attractive and compelling. Bayern has already had contact with Tuchel a couple of times, so it's not surprising if/when it comes to that.
 
All that’s needed to explain the sacking is that he has a worse points per game average in the league than Kovac had. Doesn’t mean you have to fire him. But it should be enough to justify it.
I agree and on top of that the underwhelming league results are not due to being unlucky.
The CL results blind some since they do look good. But the team doesn't seem to be developing and the style of play is not attractive and compelling. Bayern has already had contact with Tuchel a couple of times, so it's not surprising if/when it comes to that.

I thought the reason he's being sacked is because of a falling out with the board and not the results?
 
what is your take on why he goes?

Hype equals fantasy, and is mesningless to compare to. Bayern didn’t hire him based on hype. Don’t you think he punched somewhat above weight with RasenBall? CL semi, 2nd and 3rd in Bundesliga, a cup final. Win ptg 56, to Hasenhüttl (48), Rangnick (55), before him and Marsch (38) and Tedesco (52) after him. At his age, it’s quite unusual as well.

The only way to take Bayern above weight, is in CL. He ‘slipped’ on Villareal by one goal last year (tbf they were reigning EL champions), but apart from that he won six of six in both group stages, best Barca four times, Benfica twice, Inter twice and PSG twice. That’s high standards even for Bayern.

With Leipzig he took over a top 3 team so I think being slightly better with them than Rangnick isn't anything to write home about. A good performance but not really punching above their weight. I think that Tuchel or Klopp for example would have done better with them, let alone Guardiola. And that's the echelon of coaches he's been compared with.

And then there's also the eye test. His Hoffenheim side played much better football than they should have because of Nagelsmann. Leipzig was decent but his effect was already less prevalent. And I don't think Bayern every looked as good under him as under Heynckes (second year), Guardiola or Flick. Guardiola for instance made them punch above their weight even though he didn't excel in the UCL simply because of the brutal dominance and aura of invincibility this team had. Note that Tuchel for instance went toe to toe with Guardiola's Bayern while coaching a team that was in a similar situation to Leipzig under Nagelsmann by the way.
 
Tuchel is a bit of a cup manager so, maybe Bayern just thought that he may go elsewhere and he would also benefit them at this point. Still odd as JN had them playing well in Europe and Tuchel is hardly known as a top league manager.

That said, this may be a personal thing as I am not a fan of manager changes during a season, unless the team is drastically out of form.
 
I agree and on top of that the underwhelming league results are not due to being unlucky.
The CL results blind some since they do look good. But the team doesn't seem to be developing and the style of play is not attractive and compelling. Bayern has already had contact with Tuchel a couple of times, so it's not surprising if/when it comes to that.
Precisely. Even when we were good, we never really ascended to that next level of play with him.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach. Just the wrong fit for the moment. I wouldn’t be shocked if he comes back at some point.
 
He's a good manager and time will prove it IMHO. But he needs players with an open mind to follow him in his experiments, though.
 
The blazer is fine. Its the tie that ruins the look. had it been white it would be a great look.
Blazer is too small, had to be a white shirt underneath there and the you can add more flair with a tie, if you need to, but black, grey with some color could work but a solid tie is better.
I like Tuchel, but are we forgetting that Chelsea weren't exactly in a great position when he was fired? People were calling him overrated when he got sacked and now he's being painted as a manager you can't miss out on.

Maybe the truth is less that Bayern didn't want to miss out on Tuchel because he's so good but rather they never envisioned a plan with Nagelsmann beyond this season anyways and thought a decent manager like Tuchel is available right now, who might not have been in the summer, so could as well sack Nagelsmann now and get a decent replacement when available. Rather than have an issue of trying to find someone in the summer.
They’re gonna win the Bundesliga no matter what, a tournament specialist is what they want I suppose. If they do go for him.
Any chance it’s Luis Enrique at Bayern?
For some reason I’m pretty sure Pep isn’t leaving City, regardless if he wins or loses the CL, but if he does leave this summer that’s a possibility.

As for Chelsea, they’re a mess. But yeah, they probably do need to upgrade on Potter.
I could see him leaving soon unless they just have dirt on him and are blackmailing him (half joking).
Chelsea will go for Nagelsmann considering they are going to continue to underperform under Potter. Nagelsmann with this young batch will seem like a good gamble, potter was a good gamble but it’s sort of obvious he was going to have an issue with the egos there.
Take it from a gay guy, it's a nice jacket. I wouldn't have paired it with a waist coat and tie personally the black shirt and trousers is enough..
Don’t see black ever working under that, light grey or white with then a dark grey, black tie.
Tuchel is a bit of a cup manager so, maybe Bayern just thought that he may go elsewhere and he would also benefit them at this point. Still odd as JN had them playing well in Europe and Tuchel is hardly known as a top league manager.

That said, this may be a personal thing as I am not a fan of manager changes during a season, unless the team is drastically out of form.
They’re gonna walk the league so maybe they figure Tuchel is the best shot they have in Europe right now. Wonder if Luis Enrique is someone they would entertain though.
I would have thought Bohly would want the shiny new manager before Real or someone else gets him.

He'd be insane to go to Spurs. More likely Potter ends up there after he's sacked.
Or Poch goes back, but Potter is definitely suited for Tottenham, a team where he won’t have super stars instead a collective mentality for sure.
He's a good manager and time will prove it IMHO. But he needs players with an open mind to follow him in his experiments, though.
Chelsea maybe although they’re all big contract signings so who knows.
 
Actually think the perfect destination is Ajax. Might be a little step down from Bayern, but think it’s the perfect blend of big club but smaller market that would allow him to thrive like at Hoffenheim/RBL.
 
Actually think the perfect destination is Ajax. Might be a little step down from Bayern, but think it’s the perfect blend of big club but smaller market that would allow him to thrive like at Hoffenheim/RBL.

Going to Ajax would do next to nothing for his career. Since there's not much left for him to do in Germany he will probably have to look at Spurs or Chelsea.
 
Tuchel is a bit of a cup manager so, maybe Bayern just thought that he may go elsewhere and he would also benefit them at this point. Still odd as JN had them playing well in Europe and Tuchel is hardly known as a top league manager.

That said, this may be a personal thing as I am not a fan of manager changes during a season, unless the team is drastically out of form.

Definitely is over here. I think he's widely considered the second best German manager after Klopp and not too far behindif you ask me.
 
Going to Ajax would do next to nothing for his career. Since there's not much left for him to do in Germany he will probably have to look at Spurs or Chelsea.
I guess I’m just biased. Personally, if Nagelsmann had been 45 when he managed Hoffenheim, I don’t think he’d have had the career arc that he’s had. I think a job like Ajax, assuming roughly the same results domestically and in the CL as ETH, would sell me more on him. Because his returns so far, for such a highly touted manager, are mediocre.
 
The Bundesliga should hire him on the basis of making the league somewhat interesting this year.
 
He’d be absolutely mental to go to Spurs. Would say a lot about him IMO.
 
I guess I’m just biased. Personally, if Nagelsmann had been 45 when he managed Hoffenheim, I don’t think he’d have had the career arc that he’s had. I think a job like Ajax, assuming roughly the same results domestically and in the CL as ETH, would sell me more on him. Because his returns so far, for such a highly touted manager, are mediocre.
Taking over a relegation candidate and leading it into the CL would probably also give a 45 year old manager a shot at a club like Leipzig. But I agree probably not the next step to Bayern.
 
The choices for managers this year is going to be astounding. Naglesmann, Enrique, Poch, Zidane and Conte (pending a change of fortunes).
 
I don't follow Bayern...but it seems a little unfair to sack Nagelsmann...so I hope they now get battered in the next round of the CL.
 
I don't follow Bayern...but it seems a little unfair to sack Nagelsmann...so I hope they now get battered in the next round of the CL.
Are you a united fan? If so then no United fan in this world should want city to batter Bayern and increase their chances of winning the CL.
 
The choices for managers this year is going to be astounding. Naglesmann, Enrique, Poch, Zidane and Conte (pending a change of fortunes).
Enrique has city all over him when pep decides to leave. Similar styles. Naglesmann to Liverpool if klopp leaves?
 
Actually think the perfect destination is Ajax. Might be a little step down from Bayern, but think it’s the perfect blend of big club but smaller market that would allow him to thrive like at Hoffenheim/RBL.


Nah he will get a big job probably Spurs/Chelsea or even PSG/Madrid in my opinion

Won the league with Bayern last season, favourites for the CL and already beaten PSG, Barcelona, Inter along the way

He's not been sacked on performance 1 point off Dortmund who they play at home next is hardly sackable something as surely gone on behind the scenes

They'll be top of the league and favourites for the CL in a few days this is ridiculous
 
He’d be absolutely mental to go to Spurs. Would say a lot about him IMO.
Remember when Jose was sacked and everyone rejected the position. I feel like Levy has PTSD about that and that’s why Conte hasn’t been fired yet. They should have taken the hint back then, even foreign managers have no time for the small club mentality on offer.
 
Can City get any luckier? Surely it’s their year to win the CL this season.
Surely it’s now harder for them? Tuchel will probably come in and they’ll have a decent run and hopefully the same instant reaction he got from Chelsea when he first started and won the CL.
 
He’s shite. Amazed he got the Bayern job in the first place.


How is he shite? 35 years old did a good job with RB Leipzig and then won a league with Bayern and being the front runners in the Champions League?

They'll beat Dortmund at weekend and be top of the league whilst having a great chance at Europe its madness
 
Taking over a relegation candidate and leading it into the CL would probably also give a 45 year old manager a shot at a club like Leipzig. But I agree probably not the next step to Bayern.
I’m being overly harsh for sure. It wouldn’t surprise me if he succeeds at his next destination, but currently he and Poch have eerily similar resumes, and while I could be wrong, I don’t think Poch’s stock is that high in club’s eyes currently. The only major difference is age.
 
Surely it’s now harder for them? Tuchel will probably come in and they’ll have a decent run and hopefully the same instant reaction he got from Chelsea when he first started and won the CL.
Let’s hope so. Nagelsmann did give off vibes of being the German Eddie Howe.