No. I don´t think that he has the necessary finishing abilities for that. He would also lose most of his creative influence on the game up front.
Julian Draxler
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No. I don´t think that he has the necessary finishing abilities for that. He would also lose most of his creative influence on the game up front.
Well Wenger does....
and a guy called danamann from the newbs...
'Draxler is a genuine talent nothing short of Marco Reus.
First of all, he is a very mature player. He plays like 30 although he is just 20. He rarely makes the wrong decision, sometimes he wants to do too much on his own which leads to him losing the ball easily, but to be fair that's mostly due to the shiteness of the current Schalke team. He bears too much responsibility in this team for a 20 year old, simply because they lack quality. He might have had a rather average first half of the season, but so did Marco Reus.
I think to play upfront he needs to improve his aerial presence, but apart from that he is not easily muscled off the ball, can shoot with both feet and makes clever runs. He is a better dribbler than Reus (see whoscored statistics with 5 dribbles on average per game, more than Ronaldo) and a better tackler. He is not as fast as Reus is but still has great acceleration. I don't think that there is much separating Reus and Draxler right now, except their finishing ability, but then again almost nobody matchs Reus in that. Draxler is very cool in front of goal too.. In the current Dortmund setup he would shine just as much. Even paying 42.5 million euros is worth it because he is guaranteed to become the next big star. Also, I hear some voices saying he is a bit full of himself, but that is definitely not true if you watch his interviews. He just wants take responsibility for this team since he is one of the players with the most games (around 110), which says a lot at the age of 20 for a champions league team. Reus wasn't even heard of at that age'.
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and a guy called danamann from the newbs...
'Draxler is a genuine talent nothing short of Marco Reus.
First of all, he is a very mature player. He plays like 30 although he is just 20. He rarely makes the wrong decision, sometimes he wants to do too much on his own which leads to him losing the ball easily, but to be fair that's mostly due to the shiteness of the current Schalke team. He bears too much responsibility in this team for a 20 year old, simply because they lack quality. He might have had a rather average first half of the season, but so did Marco Reus.
I think to play upfront he needs to improve his aerial presence, but apart from that he is not easily muscled off the ball, can shoot with both feet and makes clever runs. He is a better dribbler than Reus (see whoscored statistics with 5 dribbles on average per game, more than Ronaldo) and a better tackler. He is not as fast as Reus is but still has great acceleration. I don't think that there is much separating Reus and Draxler right now, except their finishing ability, but then again almost nobody matchs Reus in that. Draxler is very cool in front of goal too.. In the current Dortmund setup he would shine just as much. Even paying 42.5 million euros is worth it because he is guaranteed to become the next big star. Also, I hear some voices saying he is a bit full of himself, but that is definitely not true if you watch his interviews. He just wants take responsibility for this team since he is one of the players with the most games (around 110), which says a lot at the age of 20 for a champions league team. Reus wasn't even heard of at that age'.
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Reus body's Draxler all day.
Draxler's a bigger bugger and he's not filled out yet at only 20.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that Draxler is a very mature player. He really doesn't play like a 30year old, not at all. When he first appeared in the Bundesliga as a 17 year old it was very impressive, that's true. But he didn't find any consistency since and his decision making is still questionable. In the second half of last season, it looked like he made a huge step, but this season so far is nothing special and it's certainly not comparable to Reus, who even in a 'bad half season' is still productive when it comes to goals and assists, while Draxler is just useless for the most part. A few great moments in European games is really all Draxler has done so far this year, that's nowhere near enough.
It's mental money really for a kid.
I think we will need to sign a quality wide man who has pace sooner rather than later. Mata and Januzaj are great but you need pace as well and if Valencia and Nani continue to struggle we might need to buy someone in the same mould as hazard who we did go for.
What's the £30M for Rooney in today's inflated market? £50M at least
The importance of Pace is over exaggerated. It all depends on the style of play,
About £36m going on actual inflation measures. Probably not the wisest market to apply those to though.
Every top team has a player with an attacker who is fairly quick.
Maybe. Its not a necessity though.
Probably good we avoid pace for the near future anyway otherwise it's just going to be us lumping cross after cross in the box again. We need to move away from that.
Well, I'm not talking RPI - if Fellaini goes for £27M what would an 18yo Rooney go for today.
Why is it implied that Januzaj doesn't have pace? Yes, he's no Valencia in a sprint, however, when dribbling with the ball he glides up the pitch quicker than most. Januzaj, Rooney, Nani, Welbeck and Valencia all have pace. We've got more than enough up top. It's central midfield where we need pace and energy.
Fellaini is just a bad signing. I could name about about ten similar big money flop midfielders for that money even from pre-2003.
A real litmus test for your Rooney hypothesis will be what Barkley or Shaw go for in the summer. I reckon at least one will leave.
Strikers come at an added premium.
If you imagine Shaw going to Chelsea, that'll be in the £25m range, probably, and he's a left back. Barkley would go for around £35m(a mistake, if you ask me).
I always think it's perfectly normal for the top dozen young players in the world to go for huge fees. If we sign Draxler for £35m, you have a left winger ready made for a decade, and probably a player who could be converted to striker as well. It's a good investment.
If you imagine Shaw going to Chelsea, that'll be in the £25m range, probably, and he's a left back. Barkley would go for around £35m(a mistake, if you ask me).
I always think it's perfectly normal for the top dozen young players in the world to go for huge fees. If we sign Draxler for £35m, you have a left winger ready made for a decade, and probably a player who could be converted to striker as well. It's a good investment.
True. Just amazed you guys are spending so much on him.
Ready made if the player lives up to his potential of course.
True, but I was working on the assumption that he would. If Wenger spends big money on a player, you know he'll be a potential superstar.
A midfield of Wilshere, Ramsey, Draxler, Cazorla, and Ozil with Walcott and Chamberlain around as well is quite delicious.
I don't think they will buy him. He will most likely be hunting high and low for a really good striker.
If he lives up to his potential then of course its a shrewd investment. The 'if' is the problem. Of course with some players you can just tell. Rooney for example has proven to be an absolute bargain given we have had ten years and could still get our money back.
Jeez one good year in the CL and the Bundesliga get stripped clean of all their talented young players.
Yeh, Rooney was always going to be a good signing.
I haven't seen a huge amount of Count Draxula, but Wenger has seemingly been purring over him. That's enough for me. It reduces the size of that 'if.'
I'm the same in that I haven't seen a lot of him but the word is that he's just top drawer. I love players like that coming to the league.
Yeh, I never really have a problem with the world's best joining the league, whoever they play for, like Hazard, Oscar, Aguero, etc.
feck off if they're coming to City/Chelsea
I'd rather have a good league than a bad one.
That said, I'd rather the top players were shared a bit better.
It does indeed. However, look at the transformation of City once they got Navas. City had many small technical, quick enough but not fast, players like Silva and Nasri, but nobody to stretch the defense. Look at the space that a player like Valencia produces because of his pace - it's such a shame then that United have no players occupying the centre of the pitch in attack - they are either at the 18 yard box or ball watching somewhere else. A good winger doesn't need pace, but one of the two probably does. If we have Januzaj, although not slow, far from a young Giggs, and a Mata, quick but not over a distance, then teams know there is little chance of us running past them on the counter, thus allowing them to close us down high up the pitch. If we then also play Rooney and RVP, then out pace comes from our fullbacks, and that's about it. We'd be much too reliant on finding tight spaces in a crowded defense, as again we don't have the pace to stretch them.
bolox pace is ace
The Premier league rules thats why!!!! Take that Platini!!!
Or United.
You just need to look at the fees of Isco, Gotze, Neymar, etc.
I don't think we will pay the quoted figures though if Wenger feels he is worth it then I trust his judgement. In a way easier to justify spending that on a younger player as you'll potentially get more service out of him and if he does leave he'll retain his value well for for a good while.
First two on that list had buyout clauses which made the transfers simple enough. Gotze imo would of gone for a lot more than his buyout clause and also I don't think Dortmund would of sold to Bayern without that clause or a ridiculous offer that nobody else came close to matching, I don't know as much about Isco. Recent developments IIRC have confirmed that Neymar cost Barca over 90mill Euros!
I'm not denying pace is a big plus. What am saying is that it isnt a necessity if the style of play isnt reliant on that. It was in response to Amol saying we're going to need a fast winger soon. I don't see why that'd be the case if Moyes is going to change how we play. In our current style, pace is a must but that doesnt have to remain that way. I'd love us to replace the likes of Young and Valencia with a quality winger but pace will be an attribute quite far down the list when I look for one.
I agree regarding the counter attack bit but as I said, other attributes are far more important. Give me a slowish Januzaj any day of the week to a rapid Valencia who cant cross if his life depended on it.
It's always a plus but it depends on how the player plays and thus isn't a necessity.
Draxler isn't really any quicker then januzaj, who is deceptively quick. We're not lacking in pace at all. Maybe if you compare it to when we played with Hernandez, Valencia and young but using those wingers has clearly gotten us so far. Actual talent and ability on the ball, and intelligence should always be first priority, then pace after that as a bonus.
What I meant to say is that if you have two slow wingers, or no one in the team who can make the opposition uneasy about being outrun, they can stay higher on the pitch and more compact in the middle, which makes it harder to find space. I think a combination of technical, intelligent players and one or two who can put the opposition on their back feet is preferable. Neither Mata nor Januzaj are slow, but we would have a slowish attacking line-up with Mata, Januzaj, RVP, Rooney. I also think the quick counter attacks have been a joy to watch, but it's been a while. Either way, if we keep Nani, he can provide that attacking pace anyhow.
People talking like Draxler is FAST... jesus sure he isn't slow but I do not think he's a flying machine by any shout.
He is quick enough though and with good movement that ears you the first important few yards you need.
He is quick enough though and with good movement that ears you the first important few yards you need.
Yeah, am not disagreeing with any of that. As I said, its definitely a big plus. What I meant was that pace shouldnt be one of the first few things we look for.
So i turned in to watch Schalke play Hamburg yesterday only to find out he wasn't even playing. Did he had an injury, or something is indeed going on with Arsenal that Schalke had to leave him out?