Please not Draxler!!! 
Julian Draxler
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Is he actually any good? I've seen him 3 times and each time he completely flattered to deceive.
He's certainly no Mata
He's certainly no Mata
I don't remember it like that. And Twitter users here know more than me.
I don´t remember, who predicted as first person the Özil deal, but the Götze deal was first announced by BILD, who always had good contacts to Bayern Munich. It was probably their biggest break in terms of football news they had in the last year.
This guy used to sound pretty unreliable, but he's been spot on about nearly everything.
Wenger denied it at length and then said 'we don't rule it out' so I imagine negotiations are quite advanced.
Wenger denied it at length and then said 'we don't rule it out' so I imagine negotiations are quite advanced.
I'm surprised they're not spending their money on a striker this window rather than this guy.
Can we sign him instead please? Screw having a central midfield, they're overrated.
If Wenger get Drax, Moyes should definitely prepare some cash for Reus.
He'll probably be converted into one or they will play a more fluid system perhaps with no recognized striker.
Wenger's got a real hard-on for Drax, not seen since he was frothing over J-A R.
He wouldn't even start for us anymore after today, we don't need any more attackers.
Quality player this guy, would never expect Arsenal to spunk £37m on him at 20 years of age but looks the real deal so whoever does eventually get him will probably be laughing for years.
Of course he'd start for us, Mata would play on the right like he has done for Chelsea and Draxler would play on the left, unless you think Nani and Young are better than him? Obviously my comment was tongue in cheek and we need to strengthen central midfield, but Draxler would walk into our side even with Mata.
Well we have januzaj who IMO has more potential, and is only going to get better. Sure he'd start for us this season but it would be a fairly pointless signing if everyone is staying and considering Januzaj has been arguably our best player this season.
RVP
Januzaj Rooney Mata
With Hernandez, Welbeck, Kagawa, Nani, Valencia and Young as back up.
We don't need any forwards/wingers/attacking mids unless Rooney or Van Persie leave. Even then, we have much bigger worries.
Bullshit mate. He'd be lethal for us. He'll be lethal for Arsenal, just you wait.
Yes he'd be great for us, but there would be no point in it, unless we're selling Rooney or giving up on Van persie just because he got 1 injury?
We'll have a front 4 of :
RVP
Januzaj Rooney Mata
With Hernandez, Welbeck, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia, Young and Zaha as backups. Where exactly would you play Draxler? Drop/sell one of the strikers and put him on the wing? Drop Januzaj? I'd rather focus on midfield and the defence now that we have a front 4 like that. We'll need to replace Van persie eventually, probably by moving Rooney to striker and signing a winger, but while we have this, its not necessary to spend 40m on yet another winger. He's not a world class player like Mata who you can't just pass up on either, at least not yet, and I'd say we're suited for the attack considering we have 3 world class players and 1 potential world class player.Januzaj Rooney Mata
Well first off. I'd play Mata on the left and Januzaj on the right if you're doing the formation you posted above.
However...
----------------------RVP---------------------
---Draxler-----------------------Januzaj---
----------------Mata----Rooney------------
----------------------DM---------------------
That type of formation would work beautifully (albeit a little attacking!). It's reliant on an all singing/dancing DM though, with Rooney playing a little deeper than currently. But I could see it working nicely, though you'd need a monster DM for it to work. Carrick would be too slow. It's the same formation PSG uses btw. With Motta/Matuidi/Verrati in the middle 3.
The beauty of such a formation is that with one simple change, you can alter it from being very offensive (by using the above) or removing one of the attacking players and putting a central midfielder in the Mata/Rooney role. I prefer United to have more attacking formations though, let the opponents worry about stopping us rather than us playing defensive.
Anyway, whoever does get Draxler will get a gem. My favourite player in Germany atm.
I agree he's an excellent player (albeit one who seems to have stalled a tiny bit this season) but that formation would be way too attacking. I mean people are saying the one I put up will be too attacking, let alone adding another offensive player like Draxler in! Rooney wouldn't be too pleased and I doubt he'd stay at the club if we planned on using him in center mid. For that lineup to have any chance of working, we'd need basically Vidal at the club. Like nobody else at all would be good enough to have any hope of that not being overrun completely. Even then it'd be tough to be solid. A 4-1-4-1 is possible, like at Bayern, but they have Kroos as one of them who is a lot closer to a central midfielder then Rooney/Mata ever will be.
Well in many ways Vidal would be the perfect signing. I thought we stood no chance of signing Mata, things it appears have changed. You are probably right, 37m odd would be too much for a player we don't 100% need at this point in time. Some players are imo to good to pass up on though and he'd be one i'd class in that bracket.
As for Rooney, I see natural game pushing him further back as he gets older. Whether that happens is a different matter. I'm also concerned we're pinning a lot on Januzaj who albeit seems a terrific young player, we shouldn't burn the kid out. Too many fans are already likening him to Ronnie, give him time, ease him in slowly.
As for Rooney, I see natural game pushing him further back as he gets older. Whether that happens is a different matter. I'm also concerned we're pinning a lot on Januzaj who albeit seems a terrific young player, we shouldn't burn the kid out. Too many fans are already likening him to Ronnie, give him time, ease him in slowly.
So you think Motta and Verratti are similar to Rooney and Mata? I'd say not at all. Verratti is a proper central midfielder, not an AM like Mata or a SS/ST like Rooney. Earlier Verratti was tipped as the new Pirlo given he used to play as a deep lying playmaker. Now he has become more of a CM who likes to go forward as well.
Anyway, the biggest difference is Verratti does his share of defensive work which is times more than what you can expect from Mata. Their midfield is actually more solid than spectacular with all 3 CMs concentrating on keeping it tight and releasing the front 3.
He was saying motta or verratti or Matuidi are used as the defensive mid rather then the 3 together. At least that's how I saw it.
C'mon moyes. Do a Chelsea and steal the guy. Left wing sorted.
We cannot have them all guys. We have our "Draxler" in Januzaj.
Sure the kid is talented, but I think some in this thread are seriously over rating him.
Mata is the already made product and was worth the money we spent. £37M is a risk on a young german who has only just started his career.
Sure the kid is talented, but I think some in this thread are seriously over rating him.
Mata is the already made product and was worth the money we spent. £37M is a risk on a young german who has only just started his career.
Well, I certainly know who would get the better end out of this exchange.
John Arne Riise?
Reyes
yes he just does not seem to be what we need
With rvp, rooney, janauzi, mata and back up such as welbeck, kagawa, nani, valencia not to mention hernandez, young, zaha, and keane, henriquez and powell out on loan why spend in the region of 40 million for another attacking player.
central midfield and replacements for any departing defenders (rio evra vidic?) Would seem more logical targets
that said though he does look a hell of a good prospect and wherever he ends up I think he will do well
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Far too attacking. Unless we decide to go the ball hogging way, it'l never work. As Aldo said, Verrati is a proper CM, neither of Mata or Rooney are. Even with a team based on possession, it's unlikely to work as the players just dont suit that style.
Draxler would be overkill at the price he'd come for . Far more pressing needs.
Very unlikely he will join this month imo
Seems very expensive, no? Not that I've seen a lot of him.
Who? Both are going to be quality players, Reus already is and Draxler isn't far off.
Draxler really is far off, he's nowhere close to the level Reus played on consistently for Gladbach, let alone the Reus today.
Draxler is good but he's nowhere near reus yet. He's stalled this season and hasn't really improved all that much, or at least thats he impression I got. He's obviously still an excellent young player but it's like he thinks he's made it already and turned into a star, when he's still got a long way to go.
Reus did more in his last season at Gladbach alone than Draxler in his whole career. There is not even a real contest here. It is an unfair competition, though, because Reus is a few years older and already a more finished article than Draxler. The latters worth is more about potential than current ability. Draxler has the potential to reach world class in a few years, Reus is already there.
Like I said before in this thread. He is quite overrated on here, which is understandable, because most of his better games were in the CL, which is where most people on here have watched him. His Bundesliga season tells quite a different story. The friends of mine, who support Schalke, have mostly one feeling towards him in this season: frustration. He has bags of abilites, but delivers top class performances far too rarely. He also has developed quite an ego, wants to be a lead player and talks big, but does not backs it up often enough with actual results.
He is infact not even their biggest talent anymore. I personally rate Max Meyer higher.
I don´t expect that this post will change a lot of opinions on here, because he has single scenes, which leave you in awe and are very good material for the youtube videos that circulate around at the moment. Those rarely tell the whole story, though.
But...FM.
In all seriousness, thanks for the insight. I don't watch much of him so assumed from the talk that he was the next Reus. Wenger is the right coach to develop him though. Can see him thriving at Arsenal.
Oh, he can become as good as him. It is far from certain, though, and I would in that case always take the safer choice.
Do you believe he has the tools to become a striker?