I really like what I've seen of him so far. Just wondering how our German experts would rate him as a prospect compared to someone like Schurrle?
Julian Draxler
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I'd rate Schürrle as the worst of our young AMs. Draxler is behind the established ones but that's probably down to age and experience.
His potential is slightly lower than Götze, but he could very well reach the overall level of Reus, Özil or Müller.
Based on current performance it would look something like this:
Özil=Reus=Müller>Draxler=Kroos>Schürrle
Götze is right now a big unknown, because he could not establish himself at Bayern yet, because of injuries. If he reaches his former level at Dortmund there, he is right up there with the first group. Bear in mind, that these players are far from being the same player types, so I rated them on their general impact on the game.
You have an outrageous amount of talented footballers in Germany right now.
It's not that well spread though, we lack in fullbacks and strikers.
Yeah a ton of attacking midfielders, rivalled only by the Spanish. But they're also struggling for a WC striker 
Kroos certainly deserves to be on a similar level than Özil, Reus and Müller and still far ahead of Draxler. He's more of a CM than an AM though, but his performances last season and this season so far are brilliant. I'd argue he's one of Bayern's 3 best players so far this season and he was brilliant yesterday as well.
I think I need to honestly go watch more Gotze videos. I've seen him a few times (probably around 20 roughly) & his talent is obvious but I think I under rate him a bit, based on how majority of the Caf rate him.
Everyone lacks quality fullbacks, there are really few around these days.
Yeah a ton of attacking midfielders, rivalled only by the Spanish. But they're also struggling for a WC striker
If Müller continues to play that position for Bayern like he did against City and Leverkusen, I don't think we lack a worldclass striker, we only need a manager who's not too stubborn to use well working ideas of successful club managers.
Feck, Kroos is a player I really like. I actually hoped Pep's regime & the signing of Thiago would make Kroos consider his options
He'd be a great replacement for Scholes IMO. A really intelligent player with a great shot/pass. I hate you Balu
Yeah agreed about Muller. He adds a ton more to the team then plucking a Gomez up front. Also it makes it so much more difficult for cb of the opposition to pickup.
You don't sound too fond of Loëw? I thought he's done a good job, with the team now maturing, hopefully he picks up that trophy?
edit: on the fullback bit - just give Alaba citizenship
*joking* You guys aren't too bad off yet with Lahm & Schmelzer etcHe did a great job up until 2010. After the world cup he went crazy and now he believes he needs to be creative and find a spectacular playing style on his own even if it contradicts everything that makes Bayern and Dortmund great, two of the best clubs in the world right now. It's really frustrating and our tactics and the player selection at the Euro 12 were shockingly bad and it doesn't look like that changed. More often than not, he uses player in positions where they clearly don't fit. I still believe he doesn't understand what made the Özil-Müller partnership that great in 2010, because if he did, he wouldn't make stupid decisions like against Italy in the Euro semis. Playing Özil yesterday as a false 9 is a perfect example as well, that's just stupid, especially with Müller in the team. The squad is strong enough to walk through the qualification anyway, but it'll be a different story at the worldcup.Yeah agreed about Muller. He adds a ton more to the team then plucking a Gomez up front. Also it makes it so much more difficult for cb of the opposition to pickup.
You don't sound too fond of Loëw? I thought he's done a good job, with the team now maturing, hopefully he picks up that trophy?
edit: on the fullback bit - just give Alaba citizenship
Yeah I don't follow your national team through qualification so I have min idea about what's happening.
He's trying to hard to follow the Spain template by the sounds of it.
Who's your strongest NT in your opinion?
------------------Neuer
Lahm----Hummels--Boateng---Schmelzer
--------------Bastian-----Kroos
----Reus------------Ozil------------Gotze
---------------------Muller
I'm not sure about form or fitness. But I think when everyone is fit it should be close to the above?
He's trying to hard to follow the Spain template by the sounds of it.
Who's your strongest NT in your opinion?
------------------Neuer
Lahm----Hummels--Boateng---Schmelzer
--------------Bastian-----Kroos
----Reus------------Ozil------------Gotze
---------------------Muller
I'm not sure about form or fitness. But I think when everyone is fit it should be close to the above?
It's really difficult to choose, but I honestly believe that Özil shouldn't play.
----------------Neuer
Lahm----Boateng--Hummels---Schmelzer
------------Bastian-----Gündogan
Muller--- --------Kroos------------Reus
----------------Gotze
That's less spectacular than with Özil in the team, but imo more likely to win us the title. We have to wait how Gündogan and Götze come back from injuries, though.
I also wouldn't mind a more conventional line-up:
----------------Neuer
Lahm----Boateng--Hummels---Schmelzer
---------Bastian-----Lars Bender
Muller--- --------Özil------------Reus
----------------Kruse
I really like Max Kruse. If Klose is at his best again, which I highly doubt, but if he somehow manages to be fit enough for one last worldcup, Klose instead of Kruse in there.
----------------Neuer
Lahm----Boateng--Hummels---Schmelzer
------------Bastian-----Gündogan
Muller--- --------Kroos------------Reus
----------------Gotze
That's less spectacular than with Özil in the team, but imo more likely to win us the title. We have to wait how Gündogan and Götze come back from injuries, though.
I also wouldn't mind a more conventional line-up:
----------------Neuer
Lahm----Boateng--Hummels---Schmelzer
---------Bastian-----Lars Bender
Muller--- --------Özil------------Reus
----------------Kruse
I really like Max Kruse. If Klose is at his best again, which I highly doubt, but if he somehow manages to be fit enough for one last worldcup, Klose instead of Kruse in there.
I think in the latter stages it might be worth dropping or moving Ozil wide and bringing in Kroos to bring more control to midfield.
You could probably also play Gundogan in that role and bring in one of the Benders or Khedira alongside Schweini.
You could probably also play Gundogan in that role and bring in one of the Benders or Khedira alongside Schweini.
What type of player is Max Kruse?
I've seen Honigstein rave about him 3 or 4 times on his twitter account.
Former midfielder turned into striker, smart player, hard working, loves to drop deep or move out wide and connect with the midfield. Arguably the key player for Freiburg's success last season when he turned what looked liked a toothless strikerless formation on paper into a very exciting team. He still needs a bit of work, you could call him a late bloomer, he was already 24 when he became a regular starter for a Bundesliga team, but he made a great development and looks like a quality option for Germany upfront. In the longterm, Volland looks even more promising though, for now he still plays with the U21 team, but I wouldn't rule it out that Volland makes the world cup squad.
Whenever i've seen Draxler he always seems to be on the left. Do you's reckon he's more likely to play through the middle as he develops?
He gave an interview last week in which he said "I love to play through the middle, but somehow everyone else thinks it's better if I play out wide"
.I think he made the next step in his development last season, when Holtby was sold and he was played as an AM for the rest of the season. He also started this season there but now with Boateng in the team he plays on the left again. It's probably the best for the team right now, but I don't see why he shouldn't be a great AM in the future. Still think Max Meyer is the bigger talent though.
From what i have seen of Draxler, he surely has the same potential as Gotze if not more.
You are not alone Ish. He looked a frighteningly mature talent when he broke through as an eighteen year old, but he hasn't progressed as much as I had thought he would have by now. He is obviously still a brilliant player though.
Götze really needs to get fit and start playing again, somehow he's now massively underrated all of a sudden
Götze really needs to get fit and start playing again, somehow he's now massively underrated all of a sudden
You're on the caf, Balu, remember. Rooney gets injured for two weeks and he's suddenly a less personable Emile Heskey.
Well its also because Gotze is no longer potentially available. He's the best player in the world if he's not at a top club, so its feasable United could make a move for him. Now he's at Bayern there's no chance, so he's fairly average
Woodward will bid 2 million for him. LolLolLol.
Balu describe Gotze's game for me. What I have seen he is not especially quick, but he is composed a great dribbler and passer and he can beat players. He finds space well too.
Would love United to sign him next summer, personally reckon Rooney will leave and he would be a great replacement. Not exactly a like for like replacement but having Draxler, Kagawa and Januzaj as options either on the left or through the middle would be great if Rooney were to go.
Trying hard not to get ahead of myself over Januzaj but it's hard not to.
Trying hard not to get ahead of myself over Januzaj but it's hard not to.
Fantastic prospect
Id love to sign him
What saddens me though is that he probably only mentioned us to get a new contract or to get another team interested
Id love to sign him
What saddens me though is that he probably only mentioned us to get a new contract or to get another team interested
Naah, we are mentioned by all top talents as potential teams they would like to join when they are ready to take a step up along with Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea and Arsenal. This guy did the same. We are a big draw to most youngsters in the world, it's just that we chose not to compete after an extent when the big spenders get involved.
So for those that do watch Draxler regularly, is he going to be a winger, inside forward or a #10?
Think he rejected a fair few clubs in the summer, didn't want to jeopardise a potential world cup call up and play week in week out for this club for another season. With Schalke being in the CL it made sense for him to stay, at least he has his head screwed otherwise some would of jumped at the chance of a nice pay rise at a big club.
It's actually ridiculous.
Feck, Kroos is a player I really like. I actually hoped Pep's regime & the signing of Thiago would make Kroos consider his options
He'd be a great replacement for Scholes IMO. A really intelligent player with a great shot/pass. I hate you Balu
Doubt Kroos would leave Bayern anytime soon, he's nailed on to be a starter for both club and country for the foreseeable future.
Read Balu's post above.
I don't trust a player who puts the feelers out to all the top clubs in Europe.Keep quiet and play your football and be respectful to the supporters of your current club.Good player though but I suspect another who has left his future in the 'Hands of god' The tart!
Götze really needs to get fit and start playing again, somehow he's now massively underrated all of a sudden
Not sure who, on the Caf, is under rating him? I think he's actually one of the most rated youngsters in recent years.
Yeah he's a top talent. Like I said, I probably just need to watch him more.
I know
that's hey I hate Balu Someone wrote Draxler has as much potential as Götze, if not more. That's like saying Bale has as much potential as Messi, if not more.
I'll liveI know
.Aargh, sorry, I missed the top bit. Didn't know someone said that. Thought you might have been referring to my post about needing to "watch Gotze a bit more".Someone wrote Draxler has as much potential as Götze, if not more. That's like saying Bale has as much potential as Messi, if not more.
I'll live
Hahaha you think you'll survive but wait till I start omgstopthreatingme4eva, then you'll run scared !
I think Draxler will go up another level eventually, he's got the physical aspects and technical game to become a huge goal threat.