Yeah we have to focus on a striker first
Jude Bellingham | Signed for Madrid
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Yeah we have to focus on a striker first
Yeah we definitely are in dire need of someone who can not just keep the ball in midfield but also progress it as well
I absolutely hate Dortmund players but I think the only good Bundesliga players are midfielders such as Gundogan and De Bruyne.
Since he is a midfielder I think he will be a good player for whatever club he plays for even if he isn’t the type of midfielder we need.
Since he is a midfielder I think he will be a good player for whatever club he plays for even if he isn’t the type of midfielder we need.
He did?
Ontopic, is Bellingham even a type of a midfielder we need at the moment?
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Yes. He played a weird free role 8/10 role at Juve. As both a 6 and an 8 at United. Arguably a 10 too. The fella was, and is, a top footballer.
With regards to Bellingham… yes. We need him if Casemiro is playing as a 6. No if not.
Haaland would disagree
That really didnt happen. Especially the part about him being a top footballer. Had talent and was a top footballer. On paper.
Yes he played a few positions and he'd have a good game or 2 which were followed by 5 bad ones.
Isn't he Muslim? They don't drink.
He didn't look incredible in any of his positions, got called out in all of them. One of our biggest improvements was replacing him.
He wasn't that good at juve either, that's just a myth thrown around.
You’re both mad.
Fair play, hate his time at United by all means, but he was incredible at Juve and has been world class for France.
He definitely hasn’t fulfilled his potential, and he was inconsistent. But he was a truly top drawer player.
Every team on the planet would be queuing up to buy the last season at Juve version of Pogba.
He was absolutely a victim of moving to a poorly run team at a badly ran club.
Also : @Hammondo - it’s going to bake your noodle, but just as you can be a Catholic and not go to church, you can be Muslim and drink alcohol. Zero reason to bring up his religion.
He really wasn't. He showed his talent in glimpses but talent alone doesnt make you a top drawer player.
And it wasnt all down to poorly run team at a badly run club. For lots of things he himself at fault.
As for calling someone mad I'd stop. Lets stop it, we're going oftopic.
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You guys realise this is the Bellingham thread?
From what i have seen of Bellingham, limited, he reminds me of a young Bryan Robson. Runs hard, tackles, progresses the ball, scores goals, 6-10 a season. Would he be a good addition to our squad, certainly, would he be worth £120m, debatable.
Because its part of the religion not to drink or do any drugs. If you are talking about his maturity and then give not drinking as an example of it, while you know full well hes a Muslim just shows the level of bullshit that will be said to create this image of him.
Where were all these teams when he left United on a free? If he was just poorly managed then surely they would still be interested.
Do you think Greame Souness will expect him to get 5+ Assists a game if he signed for Liverpool?
The takeaway for me is that character can go some small way to filling the talent gap in the long term but talent can only fill the character gap in the short term.
Pogba lacked the character for a long world class career, like Gazza and hundreds of others before him. Bellingham probably has less talent that Pogba but still has plenty, but seems to have way more character. But the big variable in all this is environment. Pogba in a decent club might have done a lot better than Pogba in Woodward Disneyland. Bellingham put himself in the right environment at Dortmund and he will seek to do so again.
I don't really care what Graeme Souness thinks to be honest, he's a rocket. I do expect him to perform well for whoever signs him next as he appears to be a fine player. Shame we didn't get him at 16 when Ole was after him.
He didn’t make it in the Bundesliga.
He was bossing it for Molde and just continued his great stats in the Bundesliga.
Another example is Lewandowski at Lech Poznań scoring 32 in 58 games before moving to Dortmund.
There are certain players who can only do it in the Bundesliga.
Kagawa, Werner, Sancho are an example. There are certain players that improve in the Bundesliga from doing well at previous clubs.
Sancho didn’t improve from good ability at City to then bossing it at Dortmund- he went from being not really rated by Pep or making at City to then suddenly making it in the Bundesliga.
Compare that to Bellingham and how highly he was rated as an 16 year old at Birmingham to how he has improved his game at Dortmund to even how well he plays for England compared to Sancho that could only do it for Dortmund.
I don't know if Bellingham is worth 120 million plus but he's certainly levels above the likes of Sancho and Kagawa and some of the others mentioned here. Madrid's head of scouting Juni Calafat is supposedly all over him and he's got a pretty decent eye for midfielders
Sancho, Kagawa and Mkhitaryan were all top dogs in the Bundesliga. They were able to dominate because they were playing against smaller pups who were incapable of nullifying them. By contrast, playing in the Premier League is like getting thrown to a pack of wolves. It looks the same, but is that much more vicious and frenetic. Until they make the move, it's impossible to predict for certain if a top player in Germany is dominating because he's a top dog (like Sancho) or a wolf (like Haaland).
The difference in England is that the football is incredibly unforgiving when it comes to speed of thought, speed of movement, strength and aggression. Even if you're world class at every other aspect of the game, if you're even slightly below par on a couple of the above you're going to find it impossible to impose yourself on matches. Sancho hasn't lost any ability in the last 2 years. He's just been unable to bring any of it out despite having bundles to spare.
I don't know if Bellingham is more like Sancho or Haaland. Judging by his CL games, I think he's got that extra spark to become world class. But for £120m, it's a massive gamble.
The difference in England is that the football is incredibly unforgiving when it comes to speed of thought, speed of movement, strength and aggression. Even if you're world class at every other aspect of the game, if you're even slightly below par on a couple of the above you're going to find it impossible to impose yourself on matches. Sancho hasn't lost any ability in the last 2 years. He's just been unable to bring any of it out despite having bundles to spare.
I don't know if Bellingham is more like Sancho or Haaland. Judging by his CL games, I think he's got that extra spark to become world class. But for £120m, it's a massive gamble.
The scousers were certain they were getting him, doesn’t look likely now. I couldn’t possibly see their current owners spending 150m on him, especially when they need much more than 1 player. He’ll go to City I’m afraid, or if not hopefully Madrid.
Feeling a lot recency bias in this post especially when referencing Sancho
Sancho at Dortmund was much more impressive than Bellingham at Dortmund, IMO. In his form back then, Sancho would easily be the best player in the current BVB squad. Bellingham is obviously great, too, but not as good. He's arguably not even the best Dortmund player this season - I'd say that honour goes to Brandt.
I don’t know whether he is a generational talent as portrayed by Neville and co but I like him. There is something about him, that makes me feel he’ll be an alright signing for Ten Hag.
My only issue is the media circus around young England players and this tends to mess up their development.
My only issue is the media circus around young England players and this tends to mess up their development.
He played, essentially a full season in the Championship for Birmingham City and coached and brought up in England so it's not exactly new territory for him to have to adapt to the ferocity of the English football.
No link to an ESPN article, of course. No link to a video of Ogden or Dawson saying anything, of course. Just "Source: ESPN".
What about England team mate Harry Kane?
Would only go for Kane if Osimhen a no go
Those are my thoughts too, really strong Robson vibes. He even has that leadership aura about him. Of course we don't know if he'll ever reach that level, but to be playing at the level he is, week in week out, and being the best player at a top Bundesliga club, at 19...! This guy is for real. It would be horrible to see him at Liverpool or City.
Yes it would but does he fit what we lack in midfield is the question you have to ask
I’d say yes, yes he does. The issue is would we drop Bruno to bring him in? We need someone that can drive the ball out from midfield and pose a goal threat. Bellingham can do that and more.
Honestly at this point I would rather spend 150 mil on Bellingham than say Osimhen even though I know we need a proper striker, I’d rather muddle through with what we have than miss out on Bellingham if he is on the move this summer. Just seems like someone no one can really afford to miss out on.
He’s a very good player and one United should definitely be trying to pick up (again).
Can basically do it all. 6, 8 or 10.
Can basically do it all. 6, 8 or 10.
True. He’s an 8 imo - his best position would be as one of two no8s in a 433.
I don’t know if he’s what we really need most at the moment, considering the crazy money he’ll cost. Looks like he will be a Robson-like figure in terms of ability and importance to whichever team he goes to. Even now he would improve most teams in the world. I would personally prefer De Jong at the moment but I suppose either one is a long shot.
Get him, today he showed he has the intelligence to start moves from deep. I think he will do well for whoever gets to sign him, I can easily see an auction pushing him past the £150m mark with the likes of Boehly going crazy.
Was he that great today? Thought he looked fine but he never really wows me whenever I've seen him.
Kagawa, Mkhitaryan, Sancho, Havertz, Werner: they haven't replicated their Bundesliga form because of the same problem, or of different problems? [I was going to include Pulisic, who I thought was doing worse in the PL than in the BL, but turns out he's actually performing better at Chelsea (92 appearances, 20 goals) than at Dortmund (81 apps, 10 goals).]
Bellingham is going to avoid the same fate, how?
Bellingham is going to avoid the same fate, how?
Have any of them stood out at the same level in the CL and International tournaments at the age of 19?
He was ok today. Nothing special at all. You'd never know that though of course.
4 goals and 4 assists for him in the Bundesliga this season.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jude-bellingham/leistungsdaten/spieler/581678
Doesn't exactly scream €130m worth of talent.
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