Jude Bellingham | Real Madrid player

Pickle85 said:
Spot on here. Foden seemed to shrink while Bellingham stepped up.
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I'm not sure he shrank honestly. Gave that impression but it may have just been a reaction to Bellingham dropping deeper.

Foden's main problem imo is that he's never played senior football outside City's ecology. He's...sort of programmed for that now, and so that's how he's going to play for England. Except England needs different things from him, and he either can't do it, or can't figure out what to do. Not sure which
 
Kwabs said:
He's got the kind of balls and attitude that you need to win at the highest level
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Totally agree. You don’t succeed at the top being the nicest guy in the room.

Some posters on Caf constantly moan about players have “arrogant” attitudes. I didn’t know humility was a pre-req for being a baller….
 
Remember the geese said:
He's a good player. I just find him very unlikeable.
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If he plays a big part in England actually winning stuff, you'll like him plenty. If you're English that is. If you're not, you'll probably hate him even more :lol:
 
Jed I. Knight said:
A few decades back, he'd slot right in as a libero.
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Missed this.

It’s an interesting thought exercise, especially as we’re watching him develop and add more to his game in real time. He drifts between the established lines seamlessly and that’s what makes him harder to define, if a person has a need to determine an exact position or role he plays, plus his instincts have him in the right place at the right time more often than not.

I haven’t really seen him deep enough often to think he’d be a libero, at the same time, I think if he was around in the 80’s, he’d be more Gullit than Robson or any all-action CM, so yeah, just as with Gullit, he’d probably be eclectic and intelligent enough to play the role in a similar fashion, but primarily, I feel he’d be more likely pushed forward over back because of his spatial awareness and consistency in exploiting available space.
 
Gonna say it as a non English man. But I don't get the hype. Did nothing in the champions league knock out stages and gases out after 40 mins in most games.

Definitely not a midfielder, he's almost a headless chicken Gerrard regen, a glory seeking striker who comes deep and gets praise for waking up in the morning.
 
Obviously I'm biased as I'm danish, but... he isn't that great is he? Or does he just disappear a lot and have amazing games that people rave over?

Admitted I haven't seen Bellingham much, but Palmer looks more creative to me. Don't understand why he's given no game time in a game like today where Jude was invisible.
 
He tries to put too much on himself. Very good player but needs to be managed to play within his remit. Southgate obviously doesn't do that.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Obviously I'm biased as I'm danish, but... he isn't that great is he? Or does he just disappear a lot and have amazing games that people rave over?

Admitted I haven't seen Bellingham much, but Palmer looks more creative to me. Don't understand why he's given no game time in a game like today where Jude was invisible.
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He had one bad game. He tries to do to much and Southgate is utterly unable to rein him in. Under another manager he’d be better. Whatever people say, he’s Englands best and most complete player. People who say otherwise don’t watch La Liga or the Champions League. Or are pissed he didn’t pick their club
 
Perro Caca said:
Gonna say it as a non English man. But I don't get the hype. Did nothing in the champions league knock out stages and gases out after 40 mins in most games.

Definitely not a midfielder, he's almost a headless chicken Gerrard regen, a glory seeking striker who comes deep and gets praise for waking up in the morning.
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What a summary, the man is only 20 years old, he has many years left to show the world what he can do. Give him a chance.
 
Are all england's players thread being bumped today? The problem is southgate, not the players.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Obviously I'm biased as I'm danish, but... he isn't that great is he? Or does he just disappear a lot and have amazing games that people rave over?

Admitted I haven't seen Bellingham much, but Palmer looks more creative to me. Don't understand why he's given no game time in a game like today where Jude was invisible.
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He's gassed.
 
I'll say it again, best case for him is to be Gerrard level. Don't see him ever being considered for the best in the world.

Overrated.
 
SuperiorXI said:
What a summary, the man is only 20 years old, he has many years left to show the world what he can do. Give him a chance.
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Sorry, but he's being spoken of being in the top 2 favourites for the Ballon D'or, he played most of the season playing as a 9 and a half for a Madrid team who are streets ahead of anyone in La Liga.

He's being spoken of as a generational talent akin to Rooney or Ronaldo at a similar age, but he looks absolutely shattered 60 mins into every game. Other than a simple pass in the final which he nearly botched, did nothing in the champions league group stages and is stinking out the group stages with England so far.

I'm being hyper critical because the hype has been absolutely ridiculous, it's at levels I've never seen for a young English player with none of the substance.
 
Reminds me of Delle Alli, I never understood what he was good at apart scoring goals as a second striker and getting loads of praise for doing it as a midfielder.
 
Best thing it can happen is England goes home quick so he can rest and have his shoulder surgery if needed.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
He is managed by Southgate
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He was managed by Ancelotti in the CL knockout rounds and never really got going. He seems to get unbelievable praise for anything good he does but if he has a bad game or goes AWOL it’s just cricket sounds, as opposed to the heavy criticism other players will get.
 
What exactly is he? I'm convinced he's just a better McTominay. Not defensive or a playmaker, just really good at getting into the box and scoring/creating danger.

That's not a diss either. Scott is very effective at what he does in that role.
 
The comments in this part of the thread are going to age very badly.
 
People get so easily swayed just by goals they often overlook other aspects of a player. Bellingham is talented but is getting massively overrated. If he hadn’t scored all those goals for Madrid you wouldn’t see him being so hyped up. Greats are Iniesta, Zidane. Jude has nowhere the level of technique to reach great levels. He looks to me more like a lampard. Good technique and eye for goals. That’s about it.
 
As I've been repeating until I'm blue in the face all season with us and Poch, when there's numerous players that are/have been top class everywhere apart from under one man there's only one place to look.

And the ironic thing is, he's got the 2 players not even Poch managed to make look worse and is ignoring one and has actually made the other look worse, you really can't make it up.
 
I think he's brilliant, personally. If I could have any English opposition player at United right now, it'd be him.

I don't get the Dele Alli comparison. I'm not saying this in hindsight either but I never rated him. He couldn't dribble, his passing was nothing to write home about, couldn't shield the ball under pressure, wasn't technical enough to play in tight spaces. He just scored a lot for a midfielder.

Bellingham has so many of these attributes. He's not just about the goals. His passing from what I've seen still needs some work but he can do everything else I mentioned above, and already at the highest level at 20.
 
Also, does he possess world class vision? No. Ridiculous technique? No. Can control a game? No. A world class playmaker? No. A metronome like Modric, Xavi who can dictate a match? No.

His biggest strengths that stand out is his confidence, taking on the responsibility, game maturity, eye for goals. His ceiling is limited. People who think his progression would be linear and he would become a great of the game like Iniesta, zizou, he won’t.
 
GatoLoco said:
The comments in this part of the thread are going to age very badly.
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I actually said this before this game but I think RM are going to get rid of him to fit Vini + Mbappe into the squad. You don't need the goal output from this guy anymore, so what does he really bring to the squad? Not an elite chance creator, not an elite ball carrier, not an elite defensive player although he does all of these to a decent level.

I think he's a good player and will potentially be a good pick up for whoever manages to sign him from Madrid but he's not in the same league as Kroos, Modric, Zidane, Iniesta etc.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Obviously I'm biased as I'm danish, but... he isn't that great is he? Or does he just disappear a lot and have amazing games that people rave over?

Admitted I haven't seen Bellingham much, but Palmer looks more creative to me. Don't understand why he's given no game time in a game like today where Jude was invisible.
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Hahah let’s all pretend mouth breather palmer is even half as talented as Bellingham. Give it a rest.
 
Teja said:
I actually said this before this game but I think RM are going to get rid of him to fit Vini + Mbappe into the squad. You don't need the goal output from this guy anymore, so what does he really bring to the squad? Not an elite chance creator, not an elite ball carrier, not an elite defensive player although he does all of these to a decent level.

I think he's a good player and will potentially be a good pick up for whoever manages to sign him from Madrid but he's not in the same league as Kroos, Modric, Zidane, Iniesta etc.
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You’ll be wrong but fair play for voicing it.
 
Yagami said:
I think he's brilliant, personally. If I could have any English opposition player at United right now, it'd be him.

I don't get the Dele Alli comparison. I'm not saying this in hindsight either but I never rated him. He couldn't dribble, his passing was nothing to write home about, couldn't shield the ball under pressure, wasn't technical enough to play in tight spaces. He just scored a lot for a midfielder.

Bellingham has so many of these attributes. He's not just about the goals. His passing from what I've seen still needs some work but he can do everything else I mentioned above, and already at the highest level at 20.
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Agreed completely. Dele was always massively overhyped and never really that talented. Bellingham can do it all, he’s just not particularly liked purely because he’s an English confident lad.
 
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