I am begging people to use a little bit of common sense. You cannot win a league+CL double with a nailed-on starter being "absolutely terrible" for half the season.
Jude Bellingham | Real Madrid player
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I've been called out on this, but I swear to God there's so many posters that offer definitive and unwatered opinions without having watched the players or teams they talk about. I'm absolutely certain of it.
I think he’s brilliant and will eventually blossom into one of the best players in the world in his position. We all also need to remember that even a 20 year old Wayne didn’t play well in every game at that age. Inconsistency and part of growing up into an adult is very normal
Bellingham this season was, in Europe + Domestic, for Madrid:
Top Real Madrid Goalscorer
Top Real Madrid Assists maker
2nd highest chances created
2nd highest key passes per game
2nd highest dribbles per game
1st in Fouls received
1st in through balls per game
+7.3 G/XG
redcafe:
Yeah I don't see what this guy is good at. Jack of all trades master of none.
And for those who says he's terrible at passing : with a time stamp. Only Bruno in our team could pull that off.
Top Real Madrid Goalscorer
Top Real Madrid Assists maker
2nd highest chances created
2nd highest key passes per game
2nd highest dribbles per game
1st in Fouls received
1st in through balls per game
+7.3 G/XG
redcafe:
Yeah I don't see what this guy is good at. Jack of all trades master of none.
And for those who says he's terrible at passing : with a time stamp. Only Bruno in our team could pull that off.
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Not all of Redcafe.
Personally, I'd love to have such an "overhyped" and "master of none" player in the squad
Forget his goalscoring and his passing and technical ability, I'd just love for us to have such a positionally aware and mobile midfielder.
Men can dream, can't we?
People who doesn’t rate him speak absolutely bollocks. The guy has been the best player with Vinicius in a team who won the champions league and who always have the highest standards.
It's actually so frustrating - you have Casemiro who is positionally sound, has great football intelligence, but has completely lost his legs.
On the flip side you have McTominay who is incredibly mobile but runs around like a headless chicken.
And it will be Southgate's fault if he does fail.
He's world class. It's not even up for discussion.
Just think too... we almost had prime Toni Kroos back in the day & ended up with Ander Herrera (and I like Ander but he's no Kroos)
Ah allright. Sorry my bad
Don't worry the English hype will be starting soonAh allright. Sorry my bad
I would agree with it this.
I would love it too. That comment wasn't meant as a diss to the player.
Only just saw the goal. Powerful, really smashed that defender out of the way.
I'd love to know the inside story - from his side - on why he decided against joining United.
I'd love to know the inside story - from his side - on why he decided against joining United.
Have you watched us for the past 11 years?
Short of telling a player 'you're going to play every single minute' (i.e never going to happen), everything about our team is a red flag. Poor managers, poor playing style, poor results on the pitch, poor structure off it, the list goes on etc.
That's not to say we don't hold any allure or can't attract players but in this case, it's clear Dortmund was the better sporting project for him, which makes sense as that is their model.
Could have had Alcantara and ended up with Fellaini.
I know there are a lot of potential reasons, but he did take the tour with his dad and I'd be very interested to know what specifically was the stumbling block. At the time there was something rumoured about guaranteed matches per season, and we obviously had Bruno at #10, at a time when Bellingham hadn't exploded and it was maybe not clear he'd be more or less a #10.
There is no inside story. Real Madrid wanted him and no-one turns them down.
This was when he was at Birmingham still.
We didn't offer any assured PT; he wanted to play, which was why Dortmund was an obvious destination given they're renowned for playing these youngsters.
Was that reported by reputable outlets, or was it rumoured? I remember reading that, but no quotes, and no major inside story. Just that photo of his dad behind the wheel smirking as they left having had the red carpet rolled out.
What are you hoping for here? There isn’t some great hidden revelation or there would have been headlines ages ago. He obviously wanted to play first team football and went to a club that has a great reputation for a) giving youngsters plenty of game time and b) playing good football. Sometimes two and two really does add up to four.
I thought it was made clear at the time. We baulked at the suggestion and were going to put him through the standard process for a youngster, probably with him having to earn a spot in the rotation.
I don't think we valued him as special, rather, someone we'd develop and integrate in due course.
I think it's a pitfall we have fallen foul of before in not entertaining prodigious teens and their desire/demand to play immediately. Pogba went on his way for the same reason.
Thanks for the lesson Mr. Dr. I'm not hoping for anything, but nice patrolling. I would simply like to know from his side what was the deal breaker. And I was unaware that it was anything more than rumours about game time.
I didn't know that. Birmingham knew he was very special. Retired his shirt, which I cringed at at the time, still do, but at least they knew he was going to explode.
I’m genuinely curious what you’re looking for? An interview that flew below the radar? This is Jude Bellingham. Everything he does is back page news. All that anyone can do is speculate but this is one of those occasions where the answer is staring us in the face. He even had a test case whose career he could follow. Haaland. Dortmund as the perfect spring board for their first really massive contract.
Jude is phenomenal. A real shame he wasn’t convinced to play his club football in red.
I think I said I would like to know from his end, what was the stumbling block. I've not got some conspiracy theory on my shelf here. I'd just like to know. I understand there's a variety of reasons why he wouldn't join, or other outstanding talents at that stage of their careers (then I'm sure there's loads who would join too).
And I genuinely thought the game time factor was unverified rumours. So in an age where footballers are interviewed on a billion podcasts about their careers and stuff, I'd be curious to know if it came close or if he was just scouring options whilst really already knowing he'd join Dortmund for a couple of seasons.
I don't think many on this board (including me) took him particularly seriously when he was doing his thing in the Championship, and there was a lot of jokes and bemusement about Bham retiring his number. It certainly wasn't received well or with any real understanding of why they'd do that for a kid.
I mean, you can admire the balls to come to the table with the biggest club in the country and lay down your requirements, which involve usurping full internationals as a-then unknown quantity at PL level. It's easy to understand why we'd reject the proposal or suggestion, unless someone on our side really believed in him like his management team did. For what it's worth, I doubt anyone took them up on that (we weren't the only PL team interested), so going to Dortmund was a natural conclusion given his prerequisites for signing.
A good player, but I really struggle to like him.
Fair play to him, he played a blinder in mapping out his career. Dortmund really do serve a valuable purpose for these talents. I was in that boat, of not really thinking anything other than "promising youth, let's buy him" muppet mode, I had no clue how phenomenal he was, but at the time I think people thought of him as a box-to-box player.
Yeah, in terms of career planning, it was an impeccable rise to the top in the shortest amount of time possible.
If another who is raved about to that degree ever materialises from the Championship again, it would be interesting to see how we'd play it. I think we'd still not yield, tbh.
I think he's a great player , but I think we are going to give him too much freedom. He will look great , but the midfield won't quite work , that type of deal .
He's too PR trained sometimes. Gets a bit whiney on the field sometimes. Comes across as pompous sometimes, private school kid and all. Those could be the reasons I would guess.
A good performance that is going to be hyped up to no end like the second coming of Pele in 1958. I still say too much backward and sideways passing. His running around to close down was excellent in the first half and he took his goal well. Arrogant at times though.
Against this "lesser" opposition when they were poor in the first half he was alot like Gerrard and I think that is where his ceiling lies.
Against this "lesser" opposition when they were poor in the first half he was alot like Gerrard and I think that is where his ceiling lies.
Funnily enough at 20 he still could be just out of his A Levels.
People act like these footballers should be 40 year old grown men and have no idea about how young these players mentality is.
Even bloody Rashford - at 26 everyone is talking about how he should be a much better version of themseleves when nearly everyone here at 26 probably never had a job and was living with their parents still.