Jude Bellingham | Confirmed Borussia Dortmund player

[pratyush_utd]

Ähm, just no.

I guess the big deeplaying problem of United the whole last decade is, that it does't know what it is. It is a elite club which just buys galaticos (or players Woodward thinks they are galaticos)? Or it is a club where all the best young players are (self developed, bought and developed futher, what ever)? Or something in between? Nobody knows.

If you ask someone on the streets about United, he probably will say something like "money money money, are buying players here and there", but you will never hear "Ah United, the ones with their famous work on young players, worldwide reputation for scouting and developing players".
Sorry, but its true.

I don't know which people you are talking to but they seem clueless.

United always had money and have bought big even under Sir Alex. Our squad is made up of academy players and players who have bought young and are developing. If those people can't see that, I suggest talking to better people.

 

[Coops73]

No offense, I can't talk about other countries, but at least in Germany, that's definitely not the reputation associated with United.

Also, I'm not really sure where that notion is coming from. Has United really developed more young players than other top clubs?

It’s not a notion, it’s a fact. Edwards, Foulkes, Charlton, Best, Hughes, Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Ronaldo, Pogba, Rashford, Lingard, Greenwood, McTominay etc, etc and we’re not even getting into the likes of Fletcher or Evans who have gone on to have good club and international careers.

Now whether we’ve developed more than any other top club I wouldn’t know the numbers but I’d say we were right up there in world football and have been for years.

 

[2ndTouch]

How about you prove me wrong?

This gem here?

"The amount of players they help develop that end up being failures is pretty high. So I'm not sure how anyone can say otherwise when a door mat club like BvB doesn't have a good record at all in this regard."

The irony is, that what is supposed to an argument for your cause, invalidates it in reality, and you completely fail to grasp it.
It is up to a players' new club to get the best out of him, not the one before. If you fail to get the best out of Shinji and Mkhi it is not Dortmunds fault. If anything, it proves that even less stellar talents can take on a good career trajectory there.
That in turn is testament of good player development skills, and that's why they are high on the list for promising youngsters.

A minor exaggeration compared to some of the absolute uninformed guff being spouted by some of the German posters.

A "minor exaggeration" made before those guys turned up. Details..

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[Coops73]

I don't want to derail the thread but want to give a short answer:
Selling club is true. Bayerns bitch not anymore, since some years. I also would argue that Dortmund is coming from nothing, and worked their ass up to climb up the ladder. Climbed up the ladder from being bancrupt to being the first contender for the german title after Bayern, being always a good team in the CL, and are by now the most famous name when its coming to have and develop the best young players of the world. This is the state the club is in now. But i think its not to arrogant to say that the board don't want to become that our standard, its a step in our great develoment. And they are working to progress further. And i think its working. A few years ago Bayern would have been able to snap every player from us. These times are long gone. A few years ago nobody would have placed a bet that United got no chance against us in signing worldbeaters like Haaland and so on. I think Dortmund is the best example of a well runed club worldwide. They worked their way through all the obstacles which comes on the way if you are getting success as a club and managed to climb further and further, growing and getting stronger step by step.


You talking about Ronaldo? This is a long time ago.
Today, the examples of Sancho (when he first moved), Haaland, Bellingham and so on doesn't prove your point.

You maybe got some young players which are decent. But no one is the next shiny big thing you are always reading about. Respect for some acadamy players in your squad and in the PL. But is there the next golden boy of europe? They are decent, but even in your own club there is a big debate if they are good enough to fullfil the expectations a PL- and CL conteding United would have.
And you are missing the point that you only focus on young players in Dortmunds squad the whole world is excited about, Haaland, Sancho, Reyna, (Pulisic) and so on, but forgeting all the young players coming out, but don't fullfil our expectations, but are playing in decent clubs or leagues elsewhere.

And United climbed back up the ladder and worked their asses off after the Munich air disaster.

We’ve focused on youth and youth development before and since and still do and again I would argue more than most clubs.

 

[Adnan]

This gem here?

"The amount of players they help develop that end up being failures is pretty high. So I'm not sure how anyone can say otherwise when a door mat club like BvB doesn't have a good record at all in this regard."

The irony is, that what is supposed to an argument for your cause, invalidates it in reality, and you completely fail to grasp it.
It is up to a players' new club to get the best out of him, not the one before. If you fail to get the best out of Shinji and Mkhi it is not Dortmunds fault. If anything, it proves that even less stellar talents can take on a good career trajectory there.
That in turn is testament of good player development skills, and that's why they are high on the list for promising youngsters.





A "minor exaggeration" made before those guys turned up. Details..

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So the likes of Barcelona, United and Arsenal should be blamed instead? Three clubs who are part of a superior youth set up within their country compared to Germany currently?

 

[2ndTouch]

So the likes of Barcelona, United and Arsenal should be blamed instead?

Of course. You think Zorc is instructing Dembele to do all his BS via phone?

Three clubs who are part of a superior youth set up within their country compared to Germany currently.

How do you measure this?

 

[Adnan]

Of course. You think Zorc is instructing Dembele to do all his BS via phone?



How do you measure this?

You measure it by the claim that is made by the club of being a stepping stone. Apart from Lewandowski who else has stepped up? It seems the claim that BVB develop players for bigger and better things is simply not true.. Especially when the NT coach also points to dwindling standards in the youth coaching in Germany.

 

[Eckers99]

This gem here?

"The amount of players they help develop that end up being failures is pretty high. So I'm not sure how anyone can say otherwise when a door mat club like BvB doesn't have a good record at all in this regard."

The irony is, that what is supposed to an argument for your cause, invalidates it in reality, and you completely fail to grasp it.
It is up to a players' new club to get the best out of him, not the one before. If you fail to get the best out of Shinji and Mkhi it is not Dortmunds fault. If anything, it proves that even less stellar talents can take on a good career trajectory there.
That in turn is testament of good player development skills, and that's why they are high on the list for promising youngsters.





A "minor exaggeration" made before those guys turned up. Details..

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In what way is Dortmund the perfect place to develop if they're the stepping stone to great things that never come? Is their training set up so uniquely perfect that players can't ever be expected to perform anywhere else?

 

[red thru&thru]

I'm not diminishing Bellingham at all. I'm just saying we have another superbly gifted talent that we have at the club who we all have to look forward to.

And as far as Bellingham playing the number of games he did for Birmingham's first team was due to Birmingham City covering all angles regarding a compensation fee. Which was reported by Neil Moxley who is probably along with two other journos the most trustworthy journo for the club.

You may have watched some of his games for Birmingham and you'd have noticed that he was worthy of it, not just about money

 

[Zehner]

A minor exaggeration compared to some of the absolute uninformed guff being spouted by some of the German posters.

What's with the Bundesliga defence corps uniting to defend little old Dortmund anyway? Is it a big brotherly concern for your feeder club?

That's not a "Bundesliga defense corps". If you were to post in a German forum and would read so much bullshit about the EPL, you'd feel the same urge in your fingertips to correct those people.

I mean, you really have to spout legendary bullshit in order to unite Bayern and Dortmund fans against you. Guess that's quite an accomplishment.

 

[Adnan]

You may have watched some of his games for Birmingham and you'd have noticed that he was worthy of it, not just about money

I want Bellingham at United because he has huge potential but if we don't sign him then we still have alot to look forward to as far as youth potential goes. Mejbri according to some reports; was seriously under consideration for a first team role before we signed Fernandes.

 

[Zehner]

It’s not a notion, it’s a fact. Edwards, Foulkes, Charlton, Best, Hughes, Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Ronaldo, Pogba, Rashford, Lingard, Greenwood, McTominay etc, etc and we’re not even getting into the likes of Fletcher or Evans who have gone on to have good club and international careers.

Now whether we’ve developed more than any other top club I wouldn’t know the numbers but I’d say we were right up there in world football and have been for years.

Duncan Edwards played in the 50s, mate. Those are great names but you're referring a time period of almost 70 years and you included Jesse Lingard and Scott McTominay. I mean, you realize yourself that the names towards the end of your list pale against the likes of Best, Cristiano, Charlton, Edwards, etc. Admit it or not, but your talent developing has been underwhelming in recent years. Pogba, Martial and Rashford were expected to be better players than they are right now. A couple of pages ago, a United fan wrote a really on point post about that. If he wasn't a United fan, he would've probably got roasted by you guys but since he is one, he was more or less ignored instead:

it’s fairly simple: Borussia Dortmund is the worlds best reputated springboard in world football at the moment. They have quite a bit of money and are going all in into the niche of Elite Academy. if you are young and aiming at the very top level, you’ll be played, in a very good league, and CL, and they’ll allow you to move on after a few years, and it seemsas though most young players get better there.

I think United’s reputation as a top notch development club is on the rise again, but Dortmund are the best. We don’t have steady CL, there’s a bigger risk to be benched at us because we’re not aiming to be a stepping stone, and there’s a bigger risk that we don’t let you go if you want to go to RM/Barca. Solskjær is looking promising but not yet established as a developer at the highest level, and our previous manager had a rep of murdering young, technical players with a blunt axe.

It is what it is, you have to earn that reputation again.

 

[Eckers99]

That's not a "Bundesliga defense corps". If you were to post in a German forum and would read so much bullshit about the EPL, you'd feel the same urge in your fingertips to correct those people.

I mean, you really have to spout legendary bullshit in order to unite Bayern and Dortmund fans against you. Guess that's quite an accomplishment.

Either that or you're so precious about any slight on your league that you all charge over to redress the balance.

 

[Acrobat7]

TBF to them 19 out of 20 clubs in that league are feeder clubs, and I'm a big fan of the BL.

Such a big fan that you don’t even know the number of teams in the league.

 

[Zehner]

Either that or you're so precious about any slight on your league that you all charge over to redress the balance.

Nah, it's not about slights. It's the blatant ignorance that's triggering us. I mean, for me La Liga has been far and away the best league in the world up until ~2017/2018 and basically all the evidence supports this claim. Yet it would still be dumb for La Liga fans to doubt if the best players of the EPL have the class to make it in La Liga.

Thing is, EPL fans have this weird habit of disrepsecting foreign leagues. Many in here still believed the EPL was the best league in the world when Barca and Real were winning the CL left right and center and the only teams you'd even consider being good enough to compete were Bayern and Juve. Maybe that's cause of the British media coverage, I don't know, but it's infuriating as hell for someone outside of that filter bubble.

 

[Motorman]

Nah, it's not about slights. It's the blatant ignorance that's triggering us. I mean, for me La Liga has been far and away the best league in the world up until ~2017/2018 and basically all the evidence supports this claim. Yet it would still be dumb for La Liga fans to doubt if the best players of the EPL have the class to make it in La Liga.

Thing is, EPL fans have this weird habit of disrepsecting foreign leagues. Many in here still believed the EPL was the best league in the world when Barca and Real were winning the CL left right and center and the only teams you'd even consider being good enough to compete were Bayern and Juve. Maybe that's cause of the British media coverage, I don't know, but it's infuriating as hell for someone outside of that filter bubble.

When you say the best league, you realise that means the league, right?

Barca and Real Madrid winning CL left right and centre doesn't make La Liga the best league. It makes Barca and Real Madrid the best teams.

 

[Zehner]

Such a big fan that you don’t even know the number of teams in the league.

 

[Zehner]

When you say the best league, you realise that means the league, right?

Barca and Real Madrid winning CL left right and centre doesn't make La Liga the best league. It makes Barca and Real Madrid the best teams.

You know, usually the quality of the league is dependent on the quality of the teams playing in it. And it's not like Atletico, Sevilla and the likes did nothing of note, did they?

 

[Adnan]

Nah, it's not about slights. It's the blatant ignorance that's triggering us. I mean, for me La Liga has been far and away the best league in the world up until ~2017/2018 and basically all the evidence supports this claim. Yet it would still be dumb for La Liga fans to doubt if the best players of the EPL have the class to make it in La Liga.

Thing is, EPL fans have this weird habit of disrepsecting foreign leagues. Many in here still believed the EPL was the best league in the world when Barca and Real were winning the CL left right and center and the only teams you'd even consider being good enough to compete were Bayern and Juve. Maybe that's cause of the British media coverage, I don't know, but it's infuriating as hell for someone outside of that filter bubble.

You're not being fair here. I for one am not one of those fans.

But I see comments like yours quite often from other fans too, but you fail to take into consideration that EPL fans support clubs from a English supporting country and the English language is the universal language of the world. So when you weigh it up, our voice is louder than the rest, so please take that into consideration before you get riled up with the sheer volume of opinions in comparison to the other fans of the major European leagues.

 

[Zehner]

You're not being fair here. I for one am not one of those fans.

But I see comments like yours quite often from other fans too, but you fail to take into consideration that EPL fans support clubs from a English supporting country and the English language is the universal language of the world. So when you weigh it up, our voice is louder than the rest, so please take that into consideration before you get riled up with the sheer volume of opinions in comparison to the other fans of the major European leagues.

Fair point. I'm not in Spanish speaking forums that often so I can't judge. Still, the ignorance I regularly understand in here makes it hard to shut up at times

 

[GledTheRed]

TBF to them 19 out of 20 clubs in that league are feeder clubs, and I'm a big fan of the BL.

BVB are arguably bayerns biggest rivals. Bayern simply cheery pick off them.

 

[siw2007]

If he has chosen Dortmund then good luck to the lad, I think it is a good decision because Dortmund are a great club for players of his profile.

Having said that I think United would have been also a good decision. In the past we have been a great club for developing young talent, be it players who have come through the academy or young players whom we have signed, it is pretty much in our DNA and one of the special things about our club. Unfortunately, due to instability at the club and management issues, our reputation has taken a bit of a butchering and it is understandable why we perhaps aren't no.1 pick for young players right now. However I think with Ole in charge, we are starting to be that club again, in a short space of time, we have brought on the games of younger players in the squad and we are starting to re-instate our reputation as the premier club for young players. It is unfortunate that this deal came about now, as I think if Bellingham was breaking through in a few years time, we would have got him.

 

[Grande]

Duncan Edwards played in the 50s, mate. Those are great names but you're referring a time period of almost 70 years and you included Jesse Lingard and Scott McTominay. I mean, you realize yourself that the names towards the end of your list pale against the likes of Best, Cristiano, Charlton, Edwards, etc. Admit it or not, but your talent developing has been underwhelming in recent years. Pogba, Martial and Rashford were expected to be better players than they are right now. A couple of pages ago, a United fan wrote a really on point post about that. If he wasn't a United fan, he would've probably got roasted by you guys but since he is one, he was more or less ignored instead:




It is what it is, you have to earn that reputation again.

Exactly, agree with you about reputations having to be earned. For all we know, it might even be that this last year, United have worked better with young players than Dortmund (I don’t really have a clear opinion about that), but if so, it would still take some time to translate into reputation. You know Dortmund a lot better than I do. I know only about United that they currently have been fielding the youngest first eleven in the PL and I think EL, I know that we have fielded the most players from our own academy among all PL clubs this season, and I would think are bettered by few in that regard among, say, the top five clubs in the top five European leagues.

As recent youth development go, we are the English club that produce the most PL players, and the most Championship players.

I must debate you on some points, Rashford and Pogba have had fantastic development based on their quality at age 16. If you compare them to other hyped talents at that age, only a minuscule proportion of them get to the point were they like Pogba earn a regular place at Juve at 19, winning three scudettos, being sold for a world record fee and being a key player in the WC. Or even to a point were they are regular NT players at 22, rated as their clubs best attacker and valued by most press at about 100m£ when they speculate.

 

[passing-wind]

You know, usually the quality of the league is dependent on the quality of the teams playing in it. And it's not like Atletico, Sevilla and the likes did nothing of note, did they?

That's not accurate in any sense though. A team who wins the UCL (a knock out competition) doesn't automatically signify they have the best domestic competition. Ajax / Porto winning in recent years doesn't amount to Liga NOS / Eredivise superseding all levels of other respective leagues. Neither would it be viable if they won the competition repetitively. It shows that they were the best and most consistent amoungst the parameters of that given tournament.

Leagues are dependent on a accumulation of a points tally so the orientation of how you are successful is different. I personally would assess a league by competitiveness, as well as the overall quality within teams from top to bottom. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to the best league as it's subjective but to use the UCL as a forecast for judgement is flawed.

 

[Coops73]

Duncan Edwards played in the 50s, mate. Those are great names but you're referring a time period of almost 70 years and you included Jesse Lingard and Scott McTominay. I mean, you realize yourself that the names towards the end of your list pale against the likes of Best, Cristiano, Charlton, Edwards, etc. Admit it or not, but your talent developing has been underwhelming in recent years. Pogba, Martial and Rashford were expected to be better players than they are right now. A couple of pages ago, a United fan wrote a really on point post about that. If he wasn't a United fan, he would've probably got roasted by you guys but since he is one, he was more or less ignored instead:




It is what it is, you have to earn that reputation again.

I fecking realise that Duncan Edwards and Best were from the 50s and 60s...mate.

Maybe you could name some players of the same caliber from Dortmund or fecking Leverkusen. My point being we have developed players long before Dortmund and have ever since and yes the likes of McTominay and Lingard will never live up to said names but if you can honestly try and tell me you knew that the likes of Martial, Pogba and Rashford were “expected” to be better players than they are now, you’re talking out of you’re arse.

 

[Salt Bailly]

MUFC have fielded at least one graduate from their youth academy in every single game since 1937 (4,000+ matches).

Is there any comparable club at the elite level with that kind of record? (Or any level?)

 

[Adnan]

Fair point. I'm not in Spanish speaking forums that often so I can't judge. Still, the ignorance I regularly understand in here makes it hard to shut up at times

I for one enjoy reading posts from fans from other leagues/nations. It makes this forum a even better experience. And you as a Bayer Leverkusen fan also add to the knowledge and enjoyment alot of us get from this forum. We just have to rise above the tribalism that sometimes takes hold which ends up not benefitting anyone.

 

[passing-wind]

I think Dortmund is a good move however not for the reasons that many present (Sancho). The German league provides a good foundation to develop and I think the lack of intensity in the tactical approach to compress the game will suit him as he's in the central midfield. He'll have far more space to comprehend decisions and impose himself compared to the Prem. English youths going to Germany is like any other success story there will be failures and there will be successes, how he impacts the team is solely dependant on his own responsibility to apply himself, not because Jadon succeed there or because Lewandowski did well too.

Dortmund's ability to cultivate youth development will always outweigh our proposition presently because that is the ethos of the club through and through. Buying low and profit from sales, it's their business model (hence Raiola using this against them in Haaland's contractual agreement). The reason we can't necessarily match this prospectus is more in tune with our recent history because our identity is based on the managers of a given team rather than the direction of those who are of the hierarchy.

If Solskjaer was sacked tommorow we will not maintain the present directives of the club. We've gone from aimless Moyes, to possession orientated LVG (who did contribute well), to pragmatic Jose and only now after seven years is youth a more focused outlet through Ole. The issue here is the pattern the infrastructure follows and that's to lead by the trend of the managers. If we had a DOF for example at least we would be more consistent in our identity assessing the ethos of the club irrespective of who is in charge. One thing that gives me reassurance is we are definitely heading in the right direction and this is not a copy and paste segment for every talented youth player. There will be circumstances where we can absolve the conclusion of our interest in our favour.

These types of scenarios happen all the time it's simply that due to the nature of the Bellingham's age and profile that it's common amoungst public knowledge and receiving media coverage. I'm sure there's plenty others even since being under SAF that just hasn't gained wind of traction in the media.

 

[Motorman]

You know, usually the quality of the league is dependent on the quality of the teams playing in it. And it's not like Atletico, Sevilla and the likes did nothing of note, did they?

Why did Barca and Real Madrid run away with the league. EPL is infinity more competitive that any other top league in Europe. Fact.

 

[Acrobat7]

Why did Barca and Real Madrid run away with the league. EPL is infinity more competitive that any other top league in Europe. Fact.

„More competitive“ is not „best“. But we‘ve had this discussion way too many times before. Anyways, can somebody please point me in the direction of the transfer thread for this 16 year old kid who snubbed United?

 

[TheReligion]

MUFC have fielded at least one graduate from their youth academy in every single game since 1937 (4,000+ matches).

Is there any comparable club at the elite level with that kind of record? (Or any level?)

Did we get an answer from our German friends on this one?

 

[Brophs]

Come for the Jude Bellingham chat, stay for the slagging off Dortmund for not being rich enough to resist massive offers for their players.

 

[Zehner]

Exactly, agree with you about reputations having to be earned. For all we know, it might even be that this last year, United have worked better with young players than Dortmund (I don’t really have a clear opinion about that), but if so, it would still take some time to translate into reputation. You know Dortmund a lot better than I do. I know only about United that they currently have been fielding the youngest first eleven in the PL and I think EL, I know that we have fielded the most players from our own academy among all PL clubs this season, and I would think are bettered by few in that regard among, say, the top five clubs in the top five European leagues.

As recent youth development go, we are the English club that produce the most PL players, and the most Championship players.

I must debate you on some points, Rashford and Pogba have had fantastic development based on their quality at age 16. If you compare them to other hyped talents at that age, only a minuscule proportion of them get to the point were they like Pogba earn a regular place at Juve at 19, winning three scudettos, being sold for a world record fee and being a key player in the WC. Or even to a point were they are regular NT players at 22, rated as their clubs best attacker and valued by most press at about 100m£ when they speculate.

In case of Pogba, I was rather referring to the expectations associated with his move for a record fee. Rashford was always considered a great talent and of course in comparison to players who had much hype but never turned up, they developed very well. However, as already mentioned I think Pogba was expected to do much better after his return and Rashford never really surpassed the stage in which he shows glimpses of what he could be capable of until now.

I agree with you though that United is doing a great job currently and has improved a lot. It remains to be seen how good of a coach Solskjaer is but you're definitely on the right track again. And I haven't had that impression regarding United for quite a while.

That's not accurate in any sense though. A team who wins the UCL (a knock out competition) doesn't automatically signify they have the best domestic competition. Ajax / Porto winning in recent years doesn't amount to Liga NOS / Eredivise superseding all levels of other respective leagues. Neither would it be viable if they won the competition repetitively. It shows that they were the best and most consistent amoungst the parameters of that given tournament.

Leagues are dependent on a accumulation of a points tally so the orientation of how you are successful is different. I personally would assess a league by competitiveness, as well as the overall quality within teams from top to bottom. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to the best league as it's subjective but to use the UCL as a forecast for judgement is flawed.

You're right of course, I was just nit picking a little. Still, there's the UEFA five year evaluation which IMO is the best metric out there to compare the relative strength of each league. And in that respect, La Liga is heads and shoulders above everyone else for as long as I can remember. The EPL even had a very rough patch in which it was surpassed by the Bundesliga up until 2017 I believe. So yeah, competitiveness is obviously important but I think people have been a little bit misguided by the fact that Barcelona and Madrid steamrolled their leagues. Now that the EPL finally has teams which are (almost) on eye level with these two giants in the past, we see that it is dominated just as clearly as La Liga has been. So if you ask me, the top three used to be far better in La Liga overall, the top 6 however was better in England but not by the same margin. It's up to you what you prefer but I think the five year evaluation during the last two decades gives a rather clear implication how a giant La Liga/EPL hybrid would turn out.

I fecking realise that Duncan Edwards and Best were from the 50s and 60s...mate.

Maybe you could name some players of the same caliber from Dortmund or fecking Leverkusen. My point being we have developed players long before Dortmund and have ever since and yes the likes of McTominay and Lingard will never live up to said names but if you can honestly try and tell me you knew that the likes of Martial, Pogba and Rashford were “expected” to be better players than they are now, you’re talking out of you’re arse.

What has that to do with Leverkusen and Dortmund? You're trying to be quick-witted because you're running out of arguments. And I'm sorry, but Martial was the most expensive teenager in history, people were obviously hoping for a top 10 player in the world back then. And rightly so because he's got everything it takes. The same goes for Pogba who was signed for a world record fee. I think you're the one "talking out of your arse".

Why did Barca and Real Madrid run away with the league. EPL is infinity more competitive that any other top league in Europe. Fact.

You mean the league in which the designated champion is about to annihilate the points total record of every major European league so far? That's a fact in your opinion?

The EPL was the most competitive league in terms of "there are the most different champions in a span of 5-10 years" but not in the sense of "it is hardest to win". Barca and Madrid between 2009 and 2017 would've dominated the EPL like they did with La Liga. They wouldn't dominate it now since the EPL finally has teams of the same calibre again in City and Liverpool.

 

[Zehner]

Did we get an answer from our German friends on this one?

That's interesting and of course very impressive. Still, I think you have to understand that history isn't as important to other people as you. If you take a look at the last five years or so, Dortmund was better at developing young players than you. And if I was a young player or his agent and would have to make a choice which club is the best for my development, I'd go with the impressions of the last five years over those over the span of 70 years.

 

[TheReligion]

That's interesting and of course very impressive. Still, I think you have to understand that history isn't as important to other people as you. If you take a look at the last five years or so, Dortmund was better at developing young players than you. And if I was a young player or his agent and would have to make a choice which club is the best for my development, I'd go with the impressions of the last five years over those over the span of 70 years.

It's not history mate. It's still happening now! The record is still going.

 

[Zehner]

It's not history mate. It's still happening now! The record is still going.

I understand that but huge part of that record still is history because for a young player, it is not relevant if United was good at developing young talents 20+ years ago. Exemplarily, not too long ago Barcelona was THE team in the world for youth development and Guardiola was the coach popular for trusting academy graduates. That doesn't stand anymore. As of now, few would reccomend young players to move to City or Barcelona since they prefer trusting experienced players, currently. And Dortmund is recently in a league of their own in terms of talent development and that recent reputation surpasses yours of the last 5-10 years, I think. I mean, throughout the last 10 years, one of the hottest prospects in the world was at Dortmund, constantly. Götze, Dembele, Sancho, Haaland and Reyna, Moukoko and Bellingham are already lined up. That's unique.

 

[GledTheRed]

That's interesting and of course very impressive. Still, I think you have to understand that history isn't as important to other people as you. If you take a look at the last five years or so, Dortmund was better at developing young players than you. And if I was a young player or his agent and would have to make a choice which club is the best for my development, I'd go with the impressions of the last five years over those over the span of 70 years.

Jesus, a real rage read that.

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

Rashford is developing into one of our best players. Let alone McTominay and the recent inclusion of Greenwood. If anyone reckons we aren't developing players then they are beyond blind.

 

[GledTheRed]

I understand that but huge part of that record still is history because for a young player, it is not relevant if United was good at developing young talents 20+ years ago. Exemplarily, not too long ago Barcelona was THE team in the world for youth development and Guardiola was the coach popular for trusting academy graduates. That doesn't stand anymore. As of now, few would reccomend young players to move to City or Barcelona since they prefer trusting experienced players, currently. And Dortmund is recently in a league of their own in terms of talent development and that recent reputation surpasses yours of the last 5-10 years, I think. I mean, throughout the last 10 years, one of the hottest prospects in the world was at Dortmund, constantly. Götze, Dembele, Sancho, Haaland and Reyna, Moukoko and Bellingham are already lined up. That's unique.

All poached / tapped up with an eye on making a profit. Gotze couldn't wait to get out the place and fcuked em over as soon as he could.

 

[cyberman]

I understand that but huge part of that record still is history because for a young player, it is not relevant if United was good at developing young talents 20+ years ago. Exemplarily, not too long ago Barcelona was THE team in the world for youth development and Guardiola was the coach popular for trusting academy graduates. That doesn't stand anymore. As of now, few would reccomend young players to move to City or Barcelona since they prefer trusting experienced players, currently. And Dortmund is recently in a league of their own in terms of talent development and that recent reputation surpasses yours of the last 5-10 years, I think. I mean, throughout the last 10 years, one of the hottest prospects in the world was at Dortmund, constantly. Götze, Dembele, Sancho, Haaland and Reyna, Moukoko and Bellingham are already lined up. That's unique.

So who leaves Dortmund there a better player?
You cant always blame the club they leave for.