Jude Bellingham | Confirmed Borussia Dortmund player

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Why people are "mean" towards him and Dortmund?? He picked a top team that is famous for playing youngsters and not objecting selling them. How many teams do that? Maybe us, Arsenal and, to a lesser extent now, Barca. A team that also appreciates their players' effort and welcomes them back (Kagawa, Hummels, Goetze etc). It is a good career move for him. And he is surely not a coward. He is 17 and moved to another country in a really competitive environment. Just because Dortmund provides a great framework for youngsters it doesn't mean that he will walk into their team or that he wont have to try. Perhaps, that was what Janujaj was thinking and he failed.

Also, from my understanding he could have stopped playing for Birmingham 20 days ago. He didn't despite having already agreed in a transfer, so that is another sign that he has a right attitude, making his Dortmund transfer even more logical.
 
devilish said:
Yet another young player showing Ole and United the finger.
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This reads as quite insecure. Him choosing Dortmund isn't giving us the finger. With the success other players have had moving to Dortmund, why wouldn't he go there? It's a great experience in a completely new environment, at a club where he knows he'll get playing time no matter what. Is the same sort of path to the first team available with Pogba and Bruno in our midfield?

Fans need to understand that players are human beings, and its not our god-given right to have every talented British youngster. I hope he has a great time at Dortmund and has a chance to develop at a good pace.

Announcement video was crap though.
 
Mr Smith said:
This reads as quite insecure. Him choosing Dortmund isn't giving us the finger. With the success other players have had moving to Dortmund, why wouldn't he go there? It's a great experience in a completely new environment, at a club where he knows he'll get playing time no matter what. Is the same sort of path to the first team available with Pogba and Bruno in our midfield?

Fans need to understand that players are human beings, and its not our god-given right to have every talented British youngster. I hope he has a great time at Dortmund and has a chance to develop at a good pace.

Announcement video was crap though.
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I agree to an extent, but Dortmund's midfield options are just as packed as ours.
 
led_scholes said:
Why people are "mean" towards him and Dortmund?? He picked a top team that is famous for playing youngsters and not objecting selling them. How many teams do that? Maybe us, Arsenal and, to a lesser extent now, Barca. A team that also appreciates their players' effort and welcomes them back (Kagawa, Hummels, Goetze etc). It is a good career move for him. And he is surely not a coward. He is 17 and moved to another country in a really competitive environment. Just because Dortmund provides a great framework for youngsters it doesn't mean that he will walk into their team or that he wont have to try. Perhaps, that was what Janujaj was thinking and he failed.

Also, from my understanding he could have stopped playing for Birmingham 20 days ago. He didn't despite having already agreed in a transfer, so that is another sign that he has a right attitude, making his Dortmund transfer even more logical.
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I’d imagine it’s mostly because we’ve had an influx of German/Dortmund posters join during the Sancho and Bellingham ‘sagas’ and act like absolute tits.
 
Imagine choosing Dortmund ahead of United

I bet he's the type who says "Literally" when he means "Figuratively" and who walks his cat

Or just wanted more money

Probably the money thing
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Imagine choosing Dortmund ahead of United

I bet he's the type who says "Literally" when he means "Figuratively" and who walks his cat

Or just wanted more money

Probably the money thing
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Definitely says “could care less”
 
Damien said:
I agree to an extent, but Dortmund's midfield options are just as packed as ours.
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They had quite a few wingers when they bought Sancho. I don't think it's unreasonable for a young player to think they're more likely to get chances at Dortmund than most other clubs.

It's certainly not a reason to consider it a direct snub. He's just decided this will be the best fit.
 
I am sorry but I haven't seen anything special from this dude. Not even on YouTube. I see no reason for the anger here. Nothing excites me about this dude.
 
Not really fussed about this one. Obviously we should always be on the look out for the top prospects in football but at the moment our pressing issues are finding readymade players for the starting XI. He's nowhere near ready enough for that.
 
Mr Smith said:
This reads as quite insecure. Him choosing Dortmund isn't giving us the finger. With the success other players have had moving to Dortmund, why wouldn't he go there? It's a great experience in a completely new environment, at a club where he knows he'll get playing time no matter what. Is the same sort of path to the first team available with Pogba and Bruno in our midfield?

Fans need to understand that players are human beings, and its not our god-given right to have every talented British youngster. I hope he has a great time at Dortmund and has a chance to develop at a good pace.

Announcement video was crap though.
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Nope.

Both United and Dortmund have exciting projects in place and a history in developing kids. Sure it might be slightly more difficult to break into United's CM then Dortmund's. However let's be real here. Pogba will probably leave at one point, McT and Fred are hardly WC and Matic won't last forever. There are already vacancies that needs to be filled at this very moment let alone in 2-3 years time when Jude's body is strong enough to afford playing regular football.

But that's not all. United have

a- the home advantage (players tend to prefer staying in the country if they can)
b- we're the bigger club
c- we're the richer club
d- the players we develop tend to remain WC once they leave the Bundesliga. Beckham, Ronaldo and Pogba had turned out to be among the highest earners in football and had been a huge success everywhere they went. Can't say the same with Dortmund though. Kagawa, Mkhitaryan and Dembele had failed big time with the likes of Aubameyang being more of an exception rather then the rule.

So on one hand you've got Manchester United, the richest club in the world whose shitting very promising talent such as Greenwood, Rashford, Martial (ok he's not our kid but we developed him) and Pogba while still giving duds like JLings a job. On the other hand you've got Dortmund aka Bayern's doormat whose got as much chances of winning the league as I have to beat the crap of a group made up of Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, Tyson Fury and Khabib Nurmagomedov while having my hands tied.

So no we shouldn't have lost this deal. As usual someone has messed it up.
 
He's probably too young and raw to be ahead of the likes of Matic/Pogba/Fernandes/McTom/Fred

He's currently playing regularly and doesnt see an instant path to our first team. He'd be 6th choice. 7th maybe 8th if we played Garner/levitt or even Andreas before him.

More and more English talent is heading to other countries young and developing. Its a good route too - lots of players have had success. Dortmund also play a good brand of football, focusing on youth.

It's easy to understand his decision. Very easy

He would have had a good base to develop here, but i guess it comes down to his preference. He sees more value in Dortmund, and all we can do is respect that.

Good luck to the kid.

Be interesting to see how it is 2 years down the line, we could take him and Haaland in a mega transfer deal if they both continue to develop well. Or not. All speculation isnt it.

I personally think for the money quoted for him, we need to get other areas of the squad sorted. We need 3x signings before we look at spending 30mil on 17/18yr old. We have good youngsters coming through his age in midfield as well. It's not a loss missing out on him at this moment in time.
 
Disappointing one to lose, but hopefully all the work we have put in to get him will pay off in a few years when he wants to return to England (if that's the case). You'd hope we would get first refusal.

He's moving to a fantastic club in Dortmund, known for developing young players in a kinder league, and away from all of that expectation if he signed for United. It will be a great experience for him. Dortmund and United seem to have a respectful relationship though, so could see a deal being done in 3/4 years if he becomes available.
 
Drifter said:
Guess we don't have the pulling power anymore.
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Stupid statement. Dortmund is a stepping stone club.

They would be able to offer him more first team opportunities than us, anyone can see that. It’s games the lad needs, and he’s far more likely to get that there than for us.
 
Drifter said:
Guess we don't have the pulling power anymore.
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That's part of it but not all. Our transfer negotiation people are renowned to be incompetent. They offer ridiculous salaries and fees to nobodies and they handle long term contracts to idiots or old players. We are becoming specialists in failing
 
devilish said:
Nope.

Both United and Dortmund have exciting projects in place and a history in developing kids. Sure it might be slightly more difficult to break into United's CM then Dortmund's. However let's be real here. Pogba will probably leave at one point, McT and Fred are hardly WC and Matic won't last forever. There are already vacancies that needs to be filled at this very moment let alone in 2-3 years time when Jude's body is strong enough to afford playing regular football.

But that's not all. United have

a- the home advantage (players tend to prefer staying in the country if they can)
b- we're the bigger club
c- we're the richer club
d- the players we develop tend to remain WC once they leave the Bundesliga. Beckham, Ronaldo and Pogba had turned out to be among the highest earners in football and had been a huge success everywhere they went. Can't say the same with Dortmund though. Kagawa, Mkhitaryan and Dembele had failed big time with the likes of Aubameyang being more of an exception rather then the rule.

So on one hand you've got Manchester United, the richest club in the world whose shitting very promising talent such as Greenwood, Rashford, Martial (ok he's not our kid but we developed him) and Pogba while still giving duds like JLings a job. On the other hand you've got Dortmund aka Bayern's doormat whose got as much chances of winning the league as I have to beat the crap of a group made up of Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, Tyson Fury and Khabib Nurmagomedov while having my hands tied.

So no we shouldn't have lost this deal. As usual someone has messed it up.
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Someone messed up. So ridiculously dramatic.

You realise no club can just unilaterally buy whoever they want. It doesn’t mean someone has messed up. He will be looking at Sancho as a role model. Get games in a good league, develop and move onto a top club.
 
Cringe announcement

Have not seen much of him so not sure what we are missing out on, understand why he took this route but it is annoying to know we put Sir Alex in the fight for him and still again again we lose out to Dortmund, hopefully they are spending that Sancho money now though. Game yesterday showed we desperately need a few more quality signings to increase depth
 
devilish said:
Nope.

Both United and Dortmund have exciting projects in place and a history in developing kids. Sure it might be slightly more difficult to break into United's CM then Dortmund's. However let's be real here. Pogba will probably leave at one point, McT and Fred are hardly WC and Matic won't last forever. There are already vacancies that needs to be filled at this very moment let alone in 2-3 years time when Jude's body is strong enough to afford playing regular football.

But that's not all. United have

a- the home advantage (players tend to prefer staying in the country if they can)
b- we're the bigger club
c- we're the richer club
d- the players we develop tend to remain WC once they leave the Bundesliga. Beckham, Ronaldo and Pogba had turned out to be among the highest earners in football and had been a huge success everywhere they went. Can't say the same with Dortmund though. Kagawa, Mkhitaryan and Dembele had failed big time with the likes of Aubameyang being more of an exception rather then the rule.

So on one hand you've got Manchester United, the richest club in the world whose shitting very promising talent such as Greenwood, Rashford, Martial (ok he's not our kid but we developed him) and Pogba while still giving duds like JLings a job. On the other hand you've got Dortmund aka Bayern's doormat whose got as much chances of winning the league as I have to beat the crap of a group made up of Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, Tyson Fury and Khabib Nurmagomedov while having my hands tied.

So no we shouldn't have lost this deal. As usual someone has messed it up.
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Lets look at these one at a time:

a. The home advantage: How do you know this is a thing? Take your supporter hat off at the moment and put yourself in the shoes of a 17 year old kid with the world at his feet: You may want to stay in England, sure. But maybe you don't. Maybe the idea of a few years working and living in a new country, a different culture, sounds amazing! It's an adventure and an experience, which is something most kids want the moment they leave school.
b. We're the bigger club. No arguments here, we're 100% bigger than Dortmund. But again, he's still a kid. Maybe he doesn't want to be at such a big club just yet. Maybe he's noticed how much scrutiny a young English player in the Championship gets, and could use a few years in a milder media environment.
c. We're the richer club: Once again, he's a kid! Sure, he'll probably earn more at United, but he's going to be earning more either way. What does it matter, with his whole career ahead of him? If he does well at Dortmund, his next move will be a pay rise again.
d. This is probably the fairest point. But again, I think you're thinking like a fan and not (and I genuinely can't emphasise this enough) a 17 year old kid. There's a chance he never becomes world class even at Dortmund. No one knows what he'll become. What he does know is that young players thrive at Dortmund, and are looked after. Which is not to say they don't at United, but they don't suffer the same media scrutiny, and do have a more realistic chance of breaking into the first team than at most other clubs. Even United, who are one of the best at bringing young players through.

All this isn't to say Dortmund is a better environment for young players than United. It might not be. But it is the height of insecurity to say a (once again) 17 year old kid, is somehow deliberately insulting us by moving to a foreign club that, whatever their experiences after leaving, is a very popular destination for young players. It's his future, he can do whatever he wants, for his own reasons. We'll get some players, we wont get others. Relax and move on.

Good luck Jude. You've got the world at your feet. Ignore the noise and maybe if you're good enough we'll be in touch again in a few years.
 
devilish said:
So on one hand you've got Manchester United, the richest club in the world whose shitting very promising talent such as Greenwood, Rashford, Martial (ok he's not our kid but we developed him) and Pogba while still giving duds like JLings a job.
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The treatment of Rashford, Martial and Pogba should be setting alarm bells off in the minds of every young player looking to move here.

You just don't know if the club will back you when the managers we hire will throw you under the bus, to protect themselves. The fanbase certainly won't, and will be the first jump on the abuse train.
 
Skills said:
The treatment of Rashford, Martial and Pogba should be setting alarm bells off in the minds of every young player looking to move here.

You just don't know if the club will back you when the managers we hire will throw you under the bus, to protect themselves. The fanbase certainly won't, and will be the first jump on the abuse train.
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This./

Things get toxic quickly here & once OgS is gone who knows what profile of manager we’ll go after - with know DoF for direction it’ll be all change again no doubt.
 
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