You didn't even need to respond to him to insult him RS!
I wouldn't be worry too much though. I'm here to discuss not bloody insulting people who can't say anything better.
Juan Mata
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I wouldn't be worry too much though. I'm here to discuss not bloody insulting people who can't say anything better.
Don't worry Mike! It was an insult to us all! It wasn't aimed at you. I was just messing with RS.
I'm actually only reading the last word of every sentence. It's like a highlights package for posting.
In that case, I must be a world class poster in your eyes!
In that case, I must be a world class poster in your eyes!
You've been scoring lots of goals and assists.
Sadly there are no stats for wimping out of challenges and being a fanny.
thank you, kind sir. But what have I been doing the other 80-90 mins though?How ironic.
No idea. I'm a highlights man.
I should have said "wasn't aimed at just you"!
These bloody 'young ones of today! Can't appreciate a full 90 minute football match I tell ya.
I'll read the youtube comments section of your video and base my opinion of that.
What is this youtube you speak of?
#oldschoolw#$%^r!
Enough of this now. Let me go spoiler that GoT thread!
What is this youtube you speak of?
#oldschoolw#$%^r!
Enough of this now. Let me go spoiler that GoT thread!
Pretty much sums up Mata really. Great touch and short passing but loosing possession so many times due to lacks of physical strength and pace.
We just signed him right. No weak foot, more pace, more power for long shots, equally technical ability, more work rate, and more versatile.
Well put.
The stats you quoted don't support this point.
Edit - I'd like to keep Mata because, as people have said, in a season where we played dire, tumescent football he was involved in a large proportion if our goals. His season wasn't great, but given the system we played and him being deployed out wide for that majority of the season, I think a good system would do wonders for him.
People bring up Mourinho selling him in favour of Oscar. Oscar didn't exactly repay that show of faith.
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Does anyone actually think that Mourinho has changed his mind about Mata after seeing his performances in a United-shirt these last few years? I know many in here rate him highly, but I just can't see him being here when the season starts. Parting ways now is the best for everyone involved.
I mean as in among 10 least. Everyone has lost a lot more
I don't see Mata as good enough to be a key player in a title winning side. Using the equivalent players from the last three title winning sides as a benchmark, can you seriously see him performing at the same level over a season as Silva,Hazard or Mahrez? There is no point keeping him on the bench on big wages while he still has resale value, so sell him back to his level (a side competing for top 6).
He hasnt played for a good manager in a good system. I would like to give him just one more season before we judge him.
You can play two out of three from Mkhitaryan, Rooney, Mata. One of the three will be unhappy. Mkhitaryan can play #10 as well as #7, so if we sign a pacey winger too, like Lozano, Jose may sometimes prefer to bench both Rooney and Mata. Mourinho just told us he does not like keeping unhappy players. You're always going to play Mkhitaryan, so one of Rooney or Mata is likely to go. Fine by me if Mata stays and Rooney goes, or vice versa. But I think I know what Mourinho will do.
I admit it has been a hard time for attacking players at United since he joined but I just don't see enough of the badic attributes - body strength, pace, dribbling. He has great technique but seems to struggle against pressing and a packed defence. He would have been brilliant for Kevin Keegan's Newcastle.
Didn't he play for Mourinho at Chelsea?
Didn't get much of a chance in his half a season with Mourinho.
That's one perspective. Another one could be that he has played in several very different systems and tactical approaches in his 2 ½ seasons here and hasn't really stood out in any of them.
Isn't it that's the point? He didn't get the chance because he's not good enough for the manager system?
2 wrong doesn't necessarily make a right. Oscar didn't play well doesn't mean Mata suddenly fit Mourinho's profile.
This kind "if one is less worse,then it's the best option" logic is what has been hindering the club progress the last few seasons. Valencia is less worse than Darmian, Young and more experienced than Young, so he must be our best RB! Despite Valencia is not a natural RB and no big clubs would look at Valencia to be one of their RBs because he simply doesn't fit their profile.
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Well as he didn't play, so I'd say, we don't know.
Mourinho may well have been wrong - he liked Oscar who's not really stood out at all for Chelsea.
No! He did play with Mourinho.
I don't think it's a wrong decision because they still managed to win the league the next following season.
The passing and dispossessed stats are not surprising as he was either passing or running backwards towards his own goal most of the time.
Has one outfield player really impressed you during the past three years? Maybe Martial. No one has been impressive except De Gea.
SAF froze Tim Howard out for Roy Carroll. Roy Carroll was shit, while Tim Howard was good for Everton. Doesn't mean Tim Howard is United quality.
What did we do? We signed VDS who is debatably on the same level of contribution for us as Big Pete and we started winning again. The moral lesson: don't pick the lesser evil. Just pick quality.
Thing is, Mata is a luxary player, and if we are to accomodate a luxary player I want them to be a hell of a lot better than Mata.
Simply no place for him in a Mourinho side, let's just hope we can recoup a solid 30m.
Simply no place for him in a Mourinho side, let's just hope we can recoup a solid 30m.
The only reason Mata might go is Mourinho. No other manager would consider letting one of our best players go.
And he was absolutely bossing it for two years prior to Mou taking over. So its not like he has been a failure in England.
I read an article earlier today saying the players are not happy about him potentially being sold as he's very popular, plus he wants to stay and prove himself to Jose.
Where Chelsea was underwhelming in PL. Before talking about CL and EL triumph, turn back some pages where a poster brought out the not too dissimilar Mata summary who took his moment and invisible for majority of the game during Chelsea's Europe conquering quest!
You guys can put green smilies and laugh all you want but Mata was voted Chelsea's best player for his performances in the league (which they finished 6), not the champions league where it was really different players impacting games and a strong team unit that led them to win. Drogba in the final. Ramires was phenomenal in the Barcelona games. Lampard, Drogba, and Terry in the Napoli tie.
Here are some quotes on just the final game (which you guys like to use as why he was instrumental because he took a corner kick that drogba scored on).
"Showed glimpses of his technical excellence but the Spaniard was a completely peripheral figure in this encounter. On the rare occasion Chelsea attacked in numbers, the former Valencia man looked dangerous, but this occurred on only a couple of times. Missed his penalty, summing up his evening." Three star rating, one of the lowest on the team. Goal.com
"Took Chelsea's first corner of game, from which Drogba levelled matters. Missed his penalty, the Blues' first, but it worked out in the end." Along with receiving the lowest rating of every single player on Chelsea's team. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/may/19/bayern-munich-chelsea-ratings
"Passed the ball well in the first half but drifted out of the match before delivering the corner Drogba thumped home. Feared he had blown it for the Blues in the shoot-out but ended his first season in SW6 a double cup winner and European champion." Second lowest rated Chelsea player. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/champions-league-final-chelsea-and-bayern-841959
The semi finals now:
"Shares an international dressing-room with much of the Barcelona team although he was unable to demonstrate his own technical skills." Once again, the lowest rated on Chelsea's entire team, except for Terry who got the most stupid red card in UCL history. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...23647/Barcelona-v-Chelsea-player-ratings.html
"Had to wait 14 minutes for his first touch – a cross aimed at Drogba from the right – as the Spaniard had scant chance to show skills" Once again, second lowest rated player aside from John Terry.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/24/barcelona-chelsea-player-ratings
"Rearguarded defensive actions don't suit Matas game and the match passed him for long periods. Worked hard but was subbed off before the hour." Same ratings as the other ones. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...v-chelsea-player-ratings-7676051.html#gallery
Can't find anything about the Benfica games. Here is the Napoli game:
"Was expected to do work behind Drogba, was quieter than expected." Third lowest rating on entire Chelsea team. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-v-napoli-player-ratings-7571160.html#gallery
"Failed to get into the game until the later stages, often pressed out of possession by Inler and Gargano. Took up a more advanced role in the second half." Second lowest rating on team. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...4/Chelsea-v-Napoli-how-the-players-rated.html
"Would have been looked at as a solid performance if not everyone around him rising up to the challenge Napoli presented." http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...from-blues-4-1-win-in-champions-league/page/5
Various sources that all tell the same exact thing: Mata was a passenger in the majority, if not all of, Chelsea's knockout games. You can say "well he got a corner kick Drogba scored" all you want, but I think it's more laughable to say he was an instrumental part in this campaign when aside from a few goals and an assist, he was a peripheral figure to the other stars. So here are a few smilies
So Mata doesn't improve this bit of him which Mourinho requires. Just because Oscar turned to shit, now means that Mourinho changed his #10 profile to Mata's? We're doomed having this Mourinho.
Sack Mourinho, sell Zlatan.
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True, so that means he is more suitable under the likes of Di Mateo and Benitez system than the likes of Mourinho and LVG. But the point was he had his chance under Mourinho which is a great manager and failed to impress him. People have been complaining about he will be good with the right manager and system may be going to Everton will be the best decision since Koeman was the manager when he was at Valencia.
Not throughout. But then we haven't really had much quality in any area of the squad in this period so my expectations of many of our senior players were low to begin with. Mata's one of the few players that was considered 'top class' who's been with us throughout this period, and he's not really convinced at any point. That's a problem.
The fact that Martial has been able to come in and be by far our most consistant and dangerous attacker speaks to the lack of talent in our attack over the last few years. And Mata, being one of the most featured attackers for us in this period, is a big part of that.