Agree with this.
Juan Mata
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Agree with this.
Yep, some of them are also saying how Mata wants to leave us to go to them because we are on the decline and they are on the up, how they are taking him off us and he's arguably our best player, how they are mugging us off with the price and there is nothing we can do about it, etc.
Delusion at its finest. Even Rawk know that the reason why WE are getting rid of Mata is because he's been inconsistent for us and Mourinho doesn't want him.
I don't get the hate he gets here.
He's been one of the few decent players during these two horrendous seasons, and he's been played out of position in stupid systems.
If we're going to offload players like that we should start from others like Rooney. And honestly I don't see how Irving Lozano can ever get to Mata's level anyway.
He's been one of the few decent players during these two horrendous seasons, and he's been played out of position in stupid systems.
If we're going to offload players like that we should start from others like Rooney. And honestly I don't see how Irving Lozano can ever get to Mata's level anyway.
Everton fans are more deluded than Liverpool ones.
There, I said it.
Reading Grand Old Team forums right now and the crap that comes out of their mouths
There, I said it.
Reading Grand Old Team forums right now and the crap that comes out of their mouths
Everton fans are more deluded than Liverpool ones.
There, I said it.
Reading Grand Old Team forums right now and the crap that comes out of their mouths
They thought their new manager would be Mourinho. Seriously discussing it in a hundred or so pages worth.
There must be something in the Scouse water. Seriously, both Everton and Liverpool fans are bonkers.
I'll be gutted if he goes even though it was always likely when Mourinho got the job.
At least he won a trophy with us, scored a crucial goal in the final too.
Like others have said, it's annoying that Mata is the first one out the door. Some of the shite we have at this club and it's Juan who gets sold first?
At least he won a trophy with us, scored a crucial goal in the final too.
Like others have said, it's annoying that Mata is the first one out the door. Some of the shite we have at this club and it's Juan who gets sold first?
Dont even know how to describe some posts here...some even sounding like we cant win titles with Mata in team or having him around is useless,like him leaving will have 0 impact on rest of the team.Is just me or there is a wave of people hating their own players,because in their opinions (even imo football fans know feck all about football,when it comes to real thing) they are worthless.
I understand people not being fond of Afroman etc. but this is something else,Afroman,Mata,Rojo,Memphis,some even cant stand Lingard,hell some would even get rid of Depay after just one season. They know feck all that if you send them back in time,they probably would sell Vidic after half of season.
I understand people not being fond of Afroman etc. but this is something else,Afroman,Mata,Rojo,Memphis,some even cant stand Lingard,hell some would even get rid of Depay after just one season. They know feck all that if you send them back in time,they probably would sell Vidic after half of season.
Didn't he also get the assist on the winning goal for the final
You guys can put green smilies and laugh all you want but Mata was voted Chelsea's best player for his performances in the league (which they finished 6), not the champions league where it was really different players impacting games and a strong team unit that led them to win. Drogba in the final. Ramires was phenomenal in the Barcelona games. Lampard, Drogba, and Terry in the Napoli tie.
Here are some quotes on just the final game (which you guys like to use as why he was instrumental because he took a corner kick that drogba scored on).
"Showed glimpses of his technical excellence but the Spaniard was a completely peripheral figure in this encounter. On the rare occasion Chelsea attacked in numbers, the former Valencia man looked dangerous, but this occurred on only a couple of times. Missed his penalty, summing up his evening." Three star rating, one of the lowest on the team. Goal.com
"Took Chelsea's first corner of game, from which Drogba levelled matters. Missed his penalty, the Blues' first, but it worked out in the end." Along with receiving the lowest rating of every single player on Chelsea's team. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/may/19/bayern-munich-chelsea-ratings
"Passed the ball well in the first half but drifted out of the match before delivering the corner Drogba thumped home. Feared he had blown it for the Blues in the shoot-out but ended his first season in SW6 a double cup winner and European champion." Second lowest rated Chelsea player. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/champions-league-final-chelsea-and-bayern-841959
The semi finals now:
"Shares an international dressing-room with much of the Barcelona team although he was unable to demonstrate his own technical skills." Once again, the lowest rated on Chelsea's entire team, except for Terry who got the most stupid red card in UCL history. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...23647/Barcelona-v-Chelsea-player-ratings.html
"Had to wait 14 minutes for his first touch – a cross aimed at Drogba from the right – as the Spaniard had scant chance to show skills" Once again, second lowest rated player aside from John Terry.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/24/barcelona-chelsea-player-ratings
"Rearguarded defensive actions don't suit Matas game and the match passed him for long periods. Worked hard but was subbed off before the hour." Same ratings as the other ones. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...v-chelsea-player-ratings-7676051.html#gallery
Can't find anything about the Benfica games. Here is the Napoli game:
"Was expected to do work behind Drogba, was quieter than expected." Third lowest rating on entire Chelsea team. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-v-napoli-player-ratings-7571160.html#gallery
"Failed to get into the game until the later stages, often pressed out of possession by Inler and Gargano. Took up a more advanced role in the second half." Second lowest rating on team. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...4/Chelsea-v-Napoli-how-the-players-rated.html
"Would have been looked at as a solid performance if not everyone around him rising up to the challenge Napoli presented." http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...from-blues-4-1-win-in-champions-league/page/5
Various sources that all tell the same exact thing: Mata was a passenger in the majority, if not all of, Chelsea's knockout games. You can say "well he got a corner kick Drogba scored" all you want, but I think it's more laughable to say he was an instrumental part in this campaign when aside from a few goals and an assist, he was a peripheral figure to the other stars. So here are a few smilies
You guys can put green smilies and laugh all you want but Mata was voted Chelsea's best player for his performances in the league (which they finished 6), not the champions league where it was really different players impacting games and a strong team unit that led them to win. Drogba in the final. Ramires was phenomenal in the Barcelona games. Lampard, Drogba, and Terry in the Napoli tie.
Here are some quotes on just the final game (which you guys like to use as why he was instrumental because he took a corner kick that drogba scored on).
"Showed glimpses of his technical excellence but the Spaniard was a completely peripheral figure in this encounter. On the rare occasion Chelsea attacked in numbers, the former Valencia man looked dangerous, but this occurred on only a couple of times. Missed his penalty, summing up his evening." Three star rating, one of the lowest on the team. Goal.com
"Took Chelsea's first corner of game, from which Drogba levelled matters. Missed his penalty, the Blues' first, but it worked out in the end." Along with receiving the lowest rating of every single player on Chelsea's team. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/may/19/bayern-munich-chelsea-ratings
"Passed the ball well in the first half but drifted out of the match before delivering the corner Drogba thumped home. Feared he had blown it for the Blues in the shoot-out but ended his first season in SW6 a double cup winner and European champion." Second lowest rated Chelsea player. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/champions-league-final-chelsea-and-bayern-841959
The semi finals now:
"Shares an international dressing-room with much of the Barcelona team although he was unable to demonstrate his own technical skills." Once again, the lowest rated on Chelsea's entire team, except for Terry who got the most stupid red card in UCL history. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...23647/Barcelona-v-Chelsea-player-ratings.html
"Had to wait 14 minutes for his first touch – a cross aimed at Drogba from the right – as the Spaniard had scant chance to show skills" Once again, second lowest rated player aside from John Terry.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/24/barcelona-chelsea-player-ratings
"Rearguarded defensive actions don't suit Matas game and the match passed him for long periods. Worked hard but was subbed off before the hour." Same ratings as the other ones. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...v-chelsea-player-ratings-7676051.html#gallery
Can't find anything about the Benfica games. Here is the Napoli game:
"Was expected to do work behind Drogba, was quieter than expected." Third lowest rating on entire Chelsea team. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-v-napoli-player-ratings-7571160.html#gallery
"Failed to get into the game until the later stages, often pressed out of possession by Inler and Gargano. Took up a more advanced role in the second half." Second lowest rating on team. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...4/Chelsea-v-Napoli-how-the-players-rated.html
"Would have been looked at as a solid performance if not everyone around him rising up to the challenge Napoli presented." http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...from-blues-4-1-win-in-champions-league/page/5
Various sources that all tell the same exact thing: Mata was a passenger in the majority, if not all of, Chelsea's knockout games. You can say "well he got a corner kick Drogba scored" all you want, but I think it's more laughable to say he was an instrumental part in this campaign when aside from a few goals and an assist, he was a peripheral figure to the other stars. So here are a few smilies
The match was never suited to a player like Mata though. It was a park the bus counter approach, and United wouldn't do that in every game under Mourinho. One of the reviews even says "scant chance to show his skills".
Congratulations though, you highlighted 2 games where Mata wasn't as influential as he normally is (even though he assisted key goal but lets ignore that) out of 2 Chelsea European campaigns.
Yeah it wasn't suited to Mata that's why he wasn't an instrumental player... So you're agreeing with me and the 5 different websites?
What is your root point? (Note I didn't actually start the discussion with you).
Mata is a very instrumental player. He showed it many times in a Chelsea shirt. A park the bus physical counter attack doesn't really suit him though.
I said that Mata might not be a player to play at the highest level, evidenced by how badly his team has done in the league every season he's played. Someone pointed out he's won the UCL and the WC (which is even funnier than the UCL because he didn't do a thing in the WC) and all I said is that he wasn't an instrumental player in Chelsea winning the UCL (which my long post basically shows) and I don't even need to mention he wasn't instrumental in the WC win. (Torres has all those trophies, and more, and he's actually terrible.)
I really like Mata and wish it would have worked out but it hasn't and its best for his career he moves on and finds a team where he'll be first choice.
If we were to sell to Everton his fee should be nearer £30m given their new found wealth although his wages could be a bit of a problem considering he's reported to be on about 140k a week. The only spanish team who would realistically want him and afford him is Valencia, the weakening of the £ will have helped them if they are interested but who knows if their even interested.
Given the daft wages we pay to some of our players its always going to be difficult to command a decent fee for them unless they leave for China. You only need to look at our wage bill, we are paying some average players huge money.
If we were to sell to Everton his fee should be nearer £30m given their new found wealth although his wages could be a bit of a problem considering he's reported to be on about 140k a week. The only spanish team who would realistically want him and afford him is Valencia, the weakening of the £ will have helped them if they are interested but who knows if their even interested.
Given the daft wages we pay to some of our players its always going to be difficult to command a decent fee for them unless they leave for China. You only need to look at our wage bill, we are paying some average players huge money.
Can't agree with that. He's played under Moyes and LVG in the past 3 seasons. He has been a key player for many league games for Chelsea, and even for us in a couple matches. FA Cup final or versus Liverpool for example. He is a creative number 10 that has been cast out wide under a rigid system. Whilst he's not free of blame, his form has to be fully considered with external factors beyond his control.
I don't know if Mourinho will trust him or whether he'll sell him. I just hope he can finally play in a system where he can showcase how good a player he is, as he did for Chelsea over 2 seasons. Personally, I'd love that to be us, but I know Mourinho wants a complete physical number 10 - so it won't be.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but the seasons he was Chelsea's best player they did not do great at all in the league. I think there must be some sort of reason for it. Mata has never had an amazing season when his team has done well.
Typical Everton if those rumours are to be believed. Fleece you dry for talented, yet very flawed young players who are nowhere near there potential (namely Stones) yet want to swindle opposition clubs for their players on the cheap despite them having proven pedigree (ala Mata).
In what world is Stones valued at £50M, yet Mata is €25M? It's ludicrous. If we can sell abroad then £25M would be an acceptable fee, even €25M wouldn't greatly bother me, but for that amount to a PL rival is way to little. I'd want at least £30M from Everton even if that exceeds his valuation based on ability. Everton are flush with cash now, so if they want him they should pay up.
As for my verdict on Mata as a whole. It's obvious his time is coming to a close whether it's this window or not. He will leave in the foreseeable future. I don't particularly have much of an opinion on him. Bit of a passenger and not my ideal player as a #10 and especially not on the right. Fairly productive player, but I'd rather see Pereira given more of an opportunity if it means Mata leaves.
In what world is Stones valued at £50M, yet Mata is €25M? It's ludicrous. If we can sell abroad then £25M would be an acceptable fee, even €25M wouldn't greatly bother me, but for that amount to a PL rival is way to little. I'd want at least £30M from Everton even if that exceeds his valuation based on ability. Everton are flush with cash now, so if they want him they should pay up.
As for my verdict on Mata as a whole. It's obvious his time is coming to a close whether it's this window or not. He will leave in the foreseeable future. I don't particularly have much of an opinion on him. Bit of a passenger and not my ideal player as a #10 and especially not on the right. Fairly productive player, but I'd rather see Pereira given more of an opportunity if it means Mata leaves.
I think he's been very good for Chelsea. He got 20 goals in 12/13 IIRC. Could be wrong, don't have the exact stats, I think 11 of them were in the league?
Last year he had the highest conversion rate out of any Premier League player with 10 or more goals. No point going too much by stats, but from how I've seen him in his time in England, I think he had the capacity to do very well. I think its a shame Moyes/LVG managed him after such a fine start in the Premier League.
This clown KNOWS NOTHING.
He broke some "big exclusive" story that LVG was staying at United just days before we were taking pictures of JM signing the contract and meeting with EW. Stealing a living is a polite term to use for him.
I am not saying either way about this storey but just wanted to warn anyone who believes this broken clock
Poor Mata. Very likeable guy but I just can't see Mou letting him stay.
Just reminds me of this:
Just reminds me of this:
I know some posters disparagingly refer to him as a highlights player - but they they are some nifty highlights.
Even in that video (which doesn't even cover some of his best moments since he arrived) we see him do things that literally no other player in our side does. That's why I'm so reluctant to sell him before he's been adequately replaced in the squad. In times of trouble I'd much sooner see someone with the capacity for that sort of magic being sprung from our bench than, say, Fellaini, Young or Lingard.
It's also one of the reasons I'm so fond of him as a player. For all his weaknesses (and he does have quite a few) he was one of the very few players capable of producing genuine quality over the last few years of tumescent, grim football. For all his physical limitations he at least has a level of technique, skill and class that made him stand out from some of the dross surrounding him.
Even in that video (which doesn't even cover some of his best moments since he arrived) we see him do things that literally no other player in our side does. That's why I'm so reluctant to sell him before he's been adequately replaced in the squad. In times of trouble I'd much sooner see someone with the capacity for that sort of magic being sprung from our bench than, say, Fellaini, Young or Lingard.
It's also one of the reasons I'm so fond of him as a player. For all his weaknesses (and he does have quite a few) he was one of the very few players capable of producing genuine quality over the last few years of tumescent, grim football. For all his physical limitations he at least has a level of technique, skill and class that made him stand out from some of the dross surrounding him.
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Man that Everton forum are acting like they are signing Messi. All 'he's worldclass" in every other post. Mata is a good solid player when on form, and invisible when off form (more often than not). He's so good that we have had to barracade the OT gates to keep all those clubs back who want him, even though we are asking for a bag of marbles for him.
It will be interesting reading that forum a year from now.
It will be interesting reading that forum a year from now.
Mata is better than any other player at their club, of course they're excited to sign him. What else would you expect? They're Everton, not Real Madrid.
Before you stick up for them, they have also said that Mata is our best player and they are 'taking' him from us because he wants to go to a club on the rise and leave a club on the decline.
Delusion.
He is one of our best players
Quote some posts were they claim the decline and them on the rise bit
He was Chelseas player of the year twice in the row though when we got him. People on here would of been much more weary if Mata had of played like he has the for us, for them.
He really isn't.
ah but he is
Which is why we want rid of course.
Ah well, that's clearly stupid on their part. There's only one reason Mata will leave United and that's Mourinho. I also strongly suspect he'll be trying his best to find a better club than Everton if one can pay his wages.
They're right to be excited at the idea of signing him, mostly because he'd be out of their league in normal circumstances.
Really don't understand United fans who are blinded by his niceness.. are you football supporters or beliebers.. ffs.
I can't understand how a respectable United fan would think this guy is a first team player for a team aspiring to win the league and champion s league. Those who want him to stay as a squad player I can understand that but he's too good to be a bench player but he's not good enough to play at United. He therefore needs to be sold.
I can't understand how a respectable United fan would think this guy is a first team player for a team aspiring to win the league and champion s league. Those who want him to stay as a squad player I can understand that but he's too good to be a bench player but he's not good enough to play at United. He therefore needs to be sold.
Find it hard to believe that Mou will be selling anyone without giving them a chance. Agreed, Mou managed him at Chelsea, I think he will be seen in training and the pre-season to see how team plays with him and without him.
Surely there has to be some Spanish side that would welcome him and pay a bit more.
He definitely is. Granted, you could take that as more of a reflection of our other players....
De Gea is better. Martial, okay. Shaw, maybe. Beyond that, who's better than him really?
You got me wrong, nothing wrong with them being excited, its just some of the deluded stuff they are saying. Many of them are in for a big wake up call if they get him.
You would have to read their forum to know what i mean.
He's our best player apparently.
If Crystal Palace are bidding £31m for Benteke who's barely played this season and has been average at best, I certainly hope we'd be getting a similar fee for Mata.
Yes, he's one of our best players. Apart from De Gea and Martial who would you put in front of him?