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Joshua Zirkzee | signed for Manchester United
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"United are discussing internally whether they want to proceed".
I imagine it's rather chaotic at the moment - rather than the well run machine that hopefully our good appointments will turn it into in the long term.
But in the short term, with people coming and going, people being on gardening leave, people filling in in roles they won't be in in the long term, etc, then I imagine this transfer window is going to be far less organised and more chaotic behind the scenes than future ones will be.
I imagine it's rather chaotic at the moment - rather than the well run machine that hopefully our good appointments will turn it into in the long term.
But in the short term, with people coming and going, people being on gardening leave, people filling in in roles they won't be in in the long term, etc, then I imagine this transfer window is going to be far less organised and more chaotic behind the scenes than future ones will be.
As long as we get adequate players in qualitative and quantitative consideration for the roles I won't be worried. One thing I seem to be noticing is that momentum on all our deals seems to have stalled with the coming in of Ashworth and the Recruitment guy, hopefully it's because there are new suggestions being debated on internally because I am finding it hard to be convinced that De Ligt is the guy for us. Try as I might I just can't look past his lack of pace and tremble with dread at how brutally that can be exposed in the PL.
I wonder if we’re the only club interested with relatively low release clause.
I havent followed him closely since he left Bayern, but i dont think he is the player you need.
He is best as a second striker, false 9 or #10.
He is a bit like Firmino, or a taller Gabriel Jesus or a Havertz without the good runs.
And at least at Bayern he was known to not be determined enough. Apparently at all fitness tests Salihamidzic taunted him with the results of Lewandowski and told him that this is the level he needs to get to.
This scene captures his mentality when he was at Bayern, dont know if it got better:
He is best as a second striker, false 9 or #10.
He is a bit like Firmino, or a taller Gabriel Jesus or a Havertz without the good runs.
And at least at Bayern he was known to not be determined enough. Apparently at all fitness tests Salihamidzic taunted him with the results of Lewandowski and told him that this is the level he needs to get to.
This scene captures his mentality when he was at Bayern, dont know if it got better:
We wouldn't.
I think my reservation is to do with what role he´s supposed to fill.
We´re desperately in need of establishing a playing style. We also have only one defined striker/central forward. As far as i understand, Zirkzee is the main target we´re reportedly pursuing for depth in the striker/CF role, to accompany Højlund. My thought would be to get a striker with similar strenghts as Højlund, allowing us to play the same style regardless of which of them is starting. If not, every time we rotate the squad to rest/manage Højlund, we´ll have to ajust our tactics/style. I don´t think that is a partucularly good idea based on how clueless we looked for much of last season.
I admittedly don´t know much about Zirkzee to really judge. Those of you who know more, would we be able make both play the same role on the striker position?
We´re desperately in need of establishing a playing style. We also have only one defined striker/central forward. As far as i understand, Zirkzee is the main target we´re reportedly pursuing for depth in the striker/CF role, to accompany Højlund. My thought would be to get a striker with similar strenghts as Højlund, allowing us to play the same style regardless of which of them is starting. If not, every time we rotate the squad to rest/manage Højlund, we´ll have to ajust our tactics/style. I don´t think that is a partucularly good idea based on how clueless we looked for much of last season.
I admittedly don´t know much about Zirkzee to really judge. Those of you who know more, would we be able make both play the same role on the striker position?
It seems like he's being bought to fill the Martial role. He can play with his back to goal well and play in our wide forwards. For the fee it seems like he would be a good option for that role as long as he can handle the strength of the prem. Seems like a smart signing given all the roles we need to fill in the squad
Most sides have two different types of strikers though. Havertz and Jesus are not the same. Neither are Jota and Nunez. Or Haaland and Alvarez. Whatever disadvantage we have due to adjusting our tactics will be offset by the tactical flexibility that a different type of forward offers.
This guy in particular seems like a bit of a hybrid 9/10. A Zlatan / Berbatov type player. Not exactly a versatile forward like Trossard / Jota who can do a job across the forward line and not really an out and out CF. I'm a bit wary of these specialist signings because you have to adjust your game to fit them in. If you just throw them in without adjusting any tactics and expect them to adapt you'll have a bad time.
Makes Joao Felix look like a go-getter.
IMO Arsenal, Liverpool and City are in quite a different position to us with regards to established style though. Any two players will not be exactly the same, thought i agree the players you mentioned have differing strengths to similar degree, or maybe even more than Højlund and Zirkzee would have.
I still stand by my position though. Thinking of how much we spared Højlund last season, i think we´d do better to get a similar player to Højlund to get a more uniform tactical implementation until we´re more set in our ways. If we were wanting to mix things up tactically we could always go Rashford, or even Bruno up front.
Everything I've read is that since the Bayern issues he's grown up massively especially under Motta.
Does he like to drift from the left wing? Him and Shaw on that side will be pretty beastly through sheer shoulder and hip width ratio.
Headless chicken
Zirkzee, Everything about him is so ZirkzeeIs the commentator pronouncing his name right there?
United don’t even know what they got
He really hits the spot!
Sounds like our kinda man.
Man of the match easily.
If nothing else, I wish Netherlands had lost today, so that we could have had "here we go" by Wednesday, instead of seeing him warm the bench against England
I thought we weren't letting Ten Hag buy players anymore.
Yawn
Eh the signing is to be a competition/squad player attack to rotate with Hojlund. He's not a signing to bench Hojlund. We have no attacking depth at CF so he is one who would probably get more out of Rashford. Basically a martial replace but someone younger, lower wages and who can stay fit.
How is he in the air ? does he win aerial battles ? seems like a unit.
I think stylistically he is exactly what we need. Rashford and Garnacho will start on the wing and they’re both runners who like to start wide and come inside. You need to pair them with a forward who can drop in and unlock them. His movement will be key for us.
I also would like to see him and Bruno rotate during matches, in Bruno’s first year at the club he used to make runs in behind the defence, but that seems to have stopped over the past few years.
Hojlund part 2
If we are doing a swap for Martial I would have thought that David would have been a better fit.
He seems like a harder worker than Martial and plus he only has one year left on his contract and I really cannot see why we are not going for him rather than this bloke.
Onlly a brief cameo last night, but it reminded me why I’m massively underwhelmed by this as a potenrial signing from when I’ve watched him for Bologna.
His stats are poor outside of dribbles per game, he drops deep and looks slow. I can only think he’s seen as some sort of link up player as a golasckrer he is not.
hope he proves me wrong.
His stats are poor outside of dribbles per game, he drops deep and looks slow. I can only think he’s seen as some sort of link up player as a golasckrer he is not.
hope he proves me wrong.
I was waiting for someone to come in and trash him after his cameo yesterday.
He didn't really do anything wrong, it was all turkey trying to get a goal, but I was working out which posters will come out to beat him with a stick for no reason.
He plays like the number 9 he will be replacing. If you are expecting over 15 goals, don’t disappoint yourself, he won’t achieve.
However what he will do it allow us to play better football and score more goals overall as a team.
As I said, I hope he proves me wrong.
I did say I have watched him plenty for Bologna and don’t see the appeal..
Doesnt seem anything special as such.
Surely we can do better.
Surely we can do better.
But you quite clearly pointed at his cameo yesterday where he did nothing wrong and it was essentially all Turkey, to support your views. I find that odd, having watched his cameo myself.
For sub €50m and under the age of 25? The only other player we've been linked to in that category is David, and he's not good enough either.
Seems like this place won't give him much of a chance
It’s not anything that he did wrong in those few minutes per se, it just reminded me he doesn’t seem that mobile which reinforces the opinion i’ve had when I’ve previously watched him.
I’ll be interested to see how ETH intends to use him when we play with one striker.
But this shouldn't be a choice between David or Zirkzee.
Why do people keep saying this. Are we just going to act like Everton and buy Maupay because we can't afford any better. We are Man Utd. Either find the fkn money or sacrifice another position or wait if we have to. I'm not saying Zirksee is good or not. I'm saying we better not be buying him because he's cheap and we can't afford anyone else.
I have to admit, I am not a regular Bologna watcher so I have to believe that our recruitment department has seen what it needs to see to go after Zirkzee. My first time seeing anything of him came last night. Wasn't impressed. Nonetheless, you would say that about Hojlund based on this Euros. Hojlund scored 16 goals for us last season, despite having a bit of an injury break during the spring, so who knows?
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