23 years old, technically gifted, a good eye for goal, he's pretty hardworking and has a low minimum fee clause inserted in his contract. I think this deal is a no brainer
Joshua Zirkzee | signed for Manchester United
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I think the reason is the agent does not have good relations with AC Milan so is asking for 15m fee, with United, the relations must be better.
But saying discount, how much will that be? even 10m is alot for an agent.
23 year old can improve a lot, 23 is young enough to learn and improve.
Kia is a super agent whose a tier lower to the likes of Mendes and the late Mino Raiola. He can't care less were his players go as long as he gets his cut.
Having said that his client list is made up mostly of fading stars (Coutinho, Regulon, Willian, El Ghazi etc). That's a problem for a super agent as he lacks that poster boy or two to show off to other prospective clients. In fact he's pushing Douglas Luiz to Juventus and he'll probably push Zirkzee to United if the financials are right..
What a load of shite!
Why would a client have an agent that was prepared to give a discount to us but not to a club he has already said he wants to join.
I think as @devilish mentioned it could be for the good of his agency. It would probably be better to have a player on his books at United, than AC Milan. When he goes to recruit talent, he can use a good example of how he got a client a big payday from his agency's management, so the "discount" could make sense in the long run.
Pure speculation on my part, but I can see some logic in it.
Wants to join us more and we are not prepared to pay current suggested agent fee?
Still sounds like shite tbf.
I bet my house the vast majority of the people commenting on this player on here have never seen him play and just watched highlights on you tube showing his best bits.
The best thing going for him is the cheap release clause, is he a player who is gonna come in and make an immediate difference, no.
In the 10 or so full games ive watched him have 2 decent games and score once. On the whole pretty average and, Gakpo at 21million would have been a better option last year.
The best thing going for him is the cheap release clause, is he a player who is gonna come in and make an immediate difference, no.
In the 10 or so full games ive watched him have 2 decent games and score once. On the whole pretty average and, Gakpo at 21million would have been a better option last year.
It is extortionate, but he has negotiated a release clause that means the fee is low enough to get significant interest in him. So I get why he probably feels like he should get a decent pay day, not that I believe it to be reasonable.
First new era signing of the correct profile under a structure pulling in the same direction. Inject it!!!
Wow. Pulled that figure out of your arse? He costed Liverpool £37m rising up to £44m. And a lot of people have agreed they haven't watched this player live. Waste of time betting your house on it.
Weg is in the same Dutch squad and scored the winner in the last match no, if Zirkzee so good why wasn’t he originally named in the Dutch squad and why didn’t he come off the bench before Weg, we want a squad player not a starting player whose Agents wants €15m and then will start to cause issues when he’s not playing, I’m not keen on either, and I’m not keen on Dutch players either especially those that come with an agent like that?What are you on about? Zirkzee can dribble, play others in. Quite a skillful player, fast feet, can get out of tight spaces. Absolutely nothing like weg at all. Have you ever seen him play?
Zirkzee is similar to firminho.
Like weg
But for the same agent who fooked us over with Tevez,, I’d agree tell the player change your agent we’ll sign you?
I think it is a yes brainer
The 'low minimum fee clause' is still going to be a significant percentage of our transfer fund. And others would argue that Hojlund could do with an experienced striker to learn from rather than competing with a player of a similar age, who is also lacking top level experience. It's also very clear that United need goals in this team. Zirkzee is absolutely not someone who has evidenced that he can reach 20+ goals in this league.
International football is rife with incompetent managers, player politics, and reticence to push fresh blood through when every game is crunch-time must win stuff. This is Zirzkee’s first major breakout season in a worthwhile league. Koeman has enough ammo to ignore him for now.
There are definitely points about this potential deal that warrant an eyebrow raise, but his lack of game time for Netherlands this year isn’t really one of them.
There are definitely points about this potential deal that warrant an eyebrow raise, but his lack of game time for Netherlands this year isn’t really one of them.
He's got a cool name and on that basis I approve this transfer.
Weg has 7 in 11 for Holland and he's a different option to Depay.
Agent is being a greedy fecker, that's for a buying club to resolve.
He could be a starting player for us same as he could be a starting player for AC Milan.
As for why he wasn't in the squad originally? No idea, maybe like in the case of Grealish. The manager thought he had similar players or his own preferences. Who knows.
The Liverpool reference was more that they would go after young, affordable players with potential and look to develop them into top players, not that I thought Zirkzee was a statistical freak that Liverpool would go for.
Even then, I suspect that if Zirkzee had his breakout a season or two earlier, Klopp would have really liked him as their Firmino heir over Gakpo.
Who are these experienced old heads that are going to score 20+ goals a season? Maybe someone like Toney, but you're looking at a bigger outlay for a player and who won't have any resale value if he can't reproduce what he does at Brentford, which isn't guaranteed.
The striker market is shite. It was shite last season when we couldn't get Kane so signed Højlund. He has his doubters, but I still think he was the better choice over Ramos and Muani. The other best young 'gettable' striker was Sesko, who we did try to sign ahead of Højlund, but Red Bull did a weird thing where they moved him between their clubs for a smaller amount than we supposedly offered. He's now signed a new contract at Leipzig that would mean he'd now cost more than what we paid for Højlund.
If we want to go into next season without putting everything on Højlund then we need to sign another striker. Unless we stump up big money and wages for Toney, the only other option is to go cheap on completely unproven, or go for a more reasonable fee on someone like this guy. Zirkzee might never be a balon d'or contender, but he's obviously improved and showing promise after moving to Italy.
He might not reach a level that would push us to be title contenders again, but he might have another level or two in him. Not many people thought Salah would have the impact he did after joining Liverpool from Roma, so if he can surprise us half as much as that then he'd be a good signing. These are the types of players we should be looking to sign. Going big on guys like Pogba, Varane, Casemiro, etc, just hasn't worked.
He sounds like a Pokémon.
Haven't seen a lot of him, but think he could be an interesting enough addition. All price dependent though.
He looks better than Hojlund technically, and a better link man for our wide forwards. Think he would help us play higher up the pitch as well. Looks like he could be a bit of a Firmino type, but I haven't seen enough to say what he is like when pressing.
He looks better than Hojlund technically, and a better link man for our wide forwards. Think he would help us play higher up the pitch as well. Looks like he could be a bit of a Firmino type, but I haven't seen enough to say what he is like when pressing.
They signed Gakpo and Diaz.
1 goal every 4 PL game players.
They signed Nunez. 1 goal every 3 PL games.
Just saw a five minute YouTube compilation, and now I want him. It's clear he will take us to the next level.
Not sure what this is based on, as it can't be based on how many of them he scores.
Just gone to the AC milan sub reddit and wow, the salt is unbelievable. Why is it always like this when united are involved? Are we the most hated club on earth?
I want United to shift to signing younger players. It's something which has worked beautifully for many clubs across Europe. That's not the issue. It's the balance. We already have Hojlund, Garnacho and Amad across that forward line. None of them prolific.
It's how important you believe the striker position is. I'd personally rather sign a striker who is capable of getting high numbers and have him as our only signing this summer, than sign 2 or 3 promising players and still have the goalscoring problem next season. We aren't going to get the best out of the current talents without someone who can put the ball in the net.
Where are the goals coming from next season? I'd be so bold and go as far back as to say that we still haven't replaced Lukaku. This is a long-term issue which simply isn't getting addressed. Maybe they think Hojlund is going to explode this coming season and get 25 goals or more, but I don't think he is reaching that level without a striker in the squad who can help him raise his game
Ok now let’s anyalyse the potential Sesco sale that might have happened before he decided to extend his current contract.
His Buy out was rumoured to have been agreed by Arsenal, Chelsea and United
£55m over 5 year. Agent Fee of 10% £5.5m and wages of £120k per week or £6m per year so cost was upfront £16.5m (including Agent fees) summer then £17m per year for the next four years transfer and wages amortised, and after 5 years sesco would be 25 and have a resale value of £80-120m. The club was rumoured to agree this transfer for an out and out goal machine.
The Agent wanted €160-180k per week for a 23 year old that’s currently on €20,000 per week and €15m Agent Fees.
So you pay the £35m over 5 years £7m per year but you have to pay £12-13m this summer meaning a £20m initial outlay and then wages for a squad player 8 to 9 times his current salary when will we learn?
Yes to the deal on the following conditions £34m Buy out clause - Tick
Agent Fees Maximum £6m - Tick
Wages 80k per week, the same as Rasmus and Garnaucho - Tick
If these conditions are not agreed by the player and Agent then the club moves onto other options.
And that's all fine if the outcome of United's scouting is that Zirkzee is going to be a potential World Class player and they truly believe he is going to help take United to new levels and be a key part of a title challenging squad in the next few years.
Or is it that he's good enough for now and is cheaper than the better alternatives who are currently available?
They signed Darwin because he popped in analytics and continues to do so with how much xG he builds up. He just missed chances.
Gakpo, fair, but that was also during their period where Edwards left and their transfer strategy went down hill a bit. Zirkzee I'd compare more to a Gakpo where he had some good bits on video and you sign him in the hope his analytical profile isn't representative of what he will become. Though Klopp also used Gakpo as a midfielder or wide player, not a CF. It's a different thing to be a 1 in 4 wide player than a 1 in 4 center forward (which is shit).
Diaz is a winger but had an excellent analytical profile as a hard working winger who loved running with the ball and was very effective with it.
Not sure he’ll do a great deal to solve our issue with scoring goals. Maybe he’d get the team playing better, though, which would achieve it in a roundabout way.
They probably aren’t, really. We haven’t pushed past 60 league goals in 3 seasons. We've only hit 70+ goals once since SAF retired, and that was under Ole 4 years ago (73 league goals - 2020/21 season).
I'd expect another 55-60 league goals this season.
If a pure 9 like Hojlund isn't working you might want to introduce a different striker to give the opposition defenders something different to deal with.
Does United play with a 2 strikers front? cause he is a SS
What video have you watched by the way?
He seems decently gifted but looking at how he failed at Parma... 23years you aren't young he has at least 5years into pro-football under his belt and this is the first year he showed something and in a team that was the revelation of Serie A.
Maybe for United 40+15m bet on Zirkzee is cheap risk but for Serie A it seems that Milan doesn't want to pay a 30% fee to the agent
Zirkzee isn't a classic 9. I guess he'd shine together WITH Hojlund. With Bologna he played as a fake 9. Playing deep and giving options to the wingers.
He played very similar to Martial
Please stop saying this.
Just to be clear, I wasn't being serious. I won't pretend to have any deep knowledge of Zirkzee.
yeah but having Holjund and reading how you wanna get rid of wingers
The best option would be a 4-3-1-2 for United with Bruno Fernandes behind Holjund and Zirkzee front
Why do you keep including Greenwood? He’s clearly being sold
Think you have miss read the situation there...
It's weird still being in denial over it, isn't it? He basically doesn't exist as a player for us now, people just don't want to accept the reality.
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