Hope he’s better than Hojlund. Shouldn’t be too difficult.
Joshua Zirkzee is a Red | and our #11
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He’s too Zirkzee for his shirt
too Zirkzee for his shirt
when he scores my god it hurts…
too Zirkzee for his shirt
when he scores my god it hurts…
One sounds like a cheesy snack, the other like a low cal salad.
Now if only we could get better posters.
Welcome to Manchester, Joshua!
Agent fees should be included. If this was a normal transfer, agent commission from United's side would be up to 3 % of the player's salary, whick equals around £3k per week. Even if the whole contract is paid at once, which is not how it's done, that would be around £750k for all the 5 years. Instead, it's around £8m.
With deals like this one or Haaland's transfer from Dortmund to City, where fees paid are so outside the standard, reporting on those fees is the most natural thing in the world.
You're kidding yourself if you think any of the major transfers had only 3% agent commission. You think Arsenal paid 3% commissions to agents for Rice or Havertz transfers ? Or Chelsea with Caicedo/Enzo/Mudryk or any of the numerous players they signed? The agent fee we paid for Zirkzee is slightly on the higher side probably because he got his client to sign on a reasonable release clause but nothing out of ordinary like you seem to be suggesting.
There are three ways for agents to squeeze money out of a deal:
1. The work they do for players. Traditionally this was paid by clubs on behalf of players (it's still a benefit, so players had to pay tax on it), but as of new rules players now have to pay their agents themselves. This is capped at 5 % of gross salary if players earn less than $200k per year, 3 % if they earn more.
2. The work they do for the buying club. This is also based on gross salary, paid by the club this time, same caps as above.
3. The work they do for the selling club. This is now capped at 10 % of the sale price.
The caps are new, from October last year, and you could see 5 % or in some extreme cases 10 % before, but any normal agent fees have always been based on salary for the buying clubs.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cj507mvnzr4o
Probably why Koeman didn't play him at the Euros? Dude was hurt cause he got rejected?
You have a source for this? I don't think I have seen anywhere about there being a cap for agent fees. There will be situations where agents demand more from some clubs if they want his client to join that club(Zirkzee to Milan is one such case) but I don't think there's a cap there?
It looks like I missed a court case, the cap is not enforceable in the UK because of competition rules. So, there's no cap, at least in the UK.
However, the reported £8m agent fee represents around 30 % of Zirkzee's earnings over the duration of his contract. That is already very very unusual, and it's assuming that the payment isn't on top of a standard cut of the wages as well (I have no idea if that's the case or not).
Really looking forward to watching him at United. Please become a new Ruud.
I wish him all the best, except if he should cross paths with us, obviously.
Exactly, City, Chelsea and even Liverpool tops the agent fee paid and it varies from 15-25% if you include both incoming and outgoing transfers.
If you include only incoming transfers it should be much higher.
Needs a new barber
Very happy with this deal
Not much older than Greenwood, and with us getting decent money in from Marseille for someone we could never use again, I think this is not a bad deal. He's been at Bayern, so his pedigree is good, and he's on the way back up. He’s not scored many for Bologna, but it could be he becomes more prolific. At Bayern, he was seen as someone who would get goals and had high potential. His record at Anderlecht was promising, too.
Bravo! By far the most useful post in this thread. Heartening to read too.
First treble winner in our squad. Looking forward to the rest joining him
Its a concern Koeaman barely played him in Euros, though.
All national team managers seem to have their favourites and they don't always seem tied to playing ability so I'm not worried about the lack of minutes in the international team to date.
If nothing else, it saved him from coming to us carrying an injury.
If nothing else, it saved him from coming to us carrying an injury.
Largely agree. He was behind Depay, who is after all a well-established key player on the Dutch team. And I suppose Weghorst is just a totally different tactical option. Still, it does underline that what we're buying here is to a significant extent future promise.
If anything worries me, it's rather that no one else went in for him.
Koeman's a crap manager.
Very excited. Early transfer of a striker. Let's get that DM and CB.
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Like this guy, he just oozes confidence and calm.
Interesting player, from the limited amount I have seen he appears to have a decent combination of technique, imagination and physical power, though I have some concerns around his mobility/sharpness at PL level. As an alternative to Hojlund as a 9 he could be a player who could bring more out of the wide attackers with his interplay.
Like that Utd have gone for a different style though you can still see Ten Hag likes a big lad as a front option.
Like that Utd have gone for a different style though you can still see Ten Hag likes a big lad as a front option.
The most excited I've been for signing in years. He'll improve our football in the final 3rd.
Hope Erik doesn't fall out with him.
It looks like his best traits are creative and he may not be a striker long term.
Good one.
Think its actually his dribbling, which can lead to a good pass after hes taken on a player. But I'm not expecting Bruno/De Bruyne or even Bernado Silva from him with his passing
Edit - Zirkzee had 1.4 key passes per 90 mins last season, Bruno had 3.3, Amad had 2.4, Eriksen 2.1, Reguilon 1.7, Garnacho 1.6, Antony 1.5
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Why wasn't he played more in the Euros? It seems that we are buying potential. I am not saying Wout is better but if this guy is a top player he should have played more, or?