He was as shit as our shit squad is hardly a ringing endorsement
I think i might take him over Mourinho though, which is a horrible choice really.
Jose Mourinho | Sacked by Roma
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I think i might take him over Mourinho though, which is a horrible choice really.
Prolly sticking pins in Eddie Howe Ken dolls and learning Geordie.
Completely. That shouldn't even be joked about.
Odd spin on this.
Jose was brought in with the idea that the Friedkin family planned to invest in building the team up to challenge the dominance of Juve and the Milan clubs but that quickly proved to be false and as a result of the disastrous spending under Monchi prior to his arrival the club stayed in severe danger of FFP penalties and had to constantly sell players just to stay out of trouble.
Prior to this season it was understood that Jose was not going to sign an extension unless the situation changed and the decision to part ways with Pinto pretty much eliminated even the remotest possibility of him extending his stay so this firing seems more like Roma deciding to get their retaliation in first.
Jose was brought in with the idea that the Friedkin family planned to invest in building the team up to challenge the dominance of Juve and the Milan clubs but that quickly proved to be false and as a result of the disastrous spending under Monchi prior to his arrival the club stayed in severe danger of FFP penalties and had to constantly sell players just to stay out of trouble.
Prior to this season it was understood that Jose was not going to sign an extension unless the situation changed and the decision to part ways with Pinto pretty much eliminated even the remotest possibility of him extending his stay so this firing seems more like Roma deciding to get their retaliation in first.
But if they really have third biggest wage budget in league which I admit I didn't bother checking out, then he's vastly underperformed there.
Their squad certainly can’t be expected to challenge for the title but the European places wouldn’t be too much to ask. The defence isn‘t that bad. They have N‘Dicka-Mancini-Spina… And the midfield is not that old. His starting 3 midfielders over the last few games were Paredes-Bove-Cristante. (+ Pellegrini/Aouar..) Not one single player over 30. And with this he gets a 1,45 pts/game.. That‘s a 55 pts season. He replaced Fonseca who was considered a failure for not making top 4, although he got 70 points in his first season.
Mourinho‘s league form this year is historically awful. You gotta go back 20 years to dig up such a bad league season for Roma.
Yeah, Dorival really took me by surprise. Unlike Tite, I’m keeping my expectations low so I won’t be disappointed if it doesn’t pan out.
Anyways, back to Mourinho, I don’t think he would be a good fit.
He's your legend and you don't even know enough about him.
I would love for him to manage Ireland for the comedy alone.
PSG is a match made in heaven
The March Hare called... he'd like his madness back.
Yes contracts and wages are done by the manager in Italy. And only him.
Do you know how presidents in Italian clubs runs things? If you think you do, you wouldnt comment like you did, if you want to know, see the latest video of Kevin Prince at Rio 's five
People keep repeating this, but PSG care heavily about their football image.
Mourinho plays an awful brand of football and doesn't even guarantee top trophies anymore. They'd never hire him.
Really hope he doesn’t get the Newcastle job. I’ve seen Newcastle play a few times, even when they lose their players have a team spirit and work ethic that I can see Jose killing. I know he’s know for teams that work hard and are very loyal to him, but this Newcastle team has so many skilful players who put a shift in but are still allowed to express themselves. He’ll basically do to them what he did to Shaw.
So why do you hope he won't go there?
I don't think he'll get a top management job again. He's a busted flush and the game has left him behind. His level is probably West Ham or Brentford at this point.
Chelsea to sack Poch and hire Mou?
I see his agent is pulling on all his media cronies to drum up attention for him. He’s far from being attractive to either Chelsea or Newcastle, who both have sporting directors with a more modern outlook. Real wouldn’t touch him with a 20 ft pole even if they didn’t have Ancelotti. It’s either another mid table club in Italy or Saudi Arabia for him.
I am so in love with the fact that spurs is the only club Jose didn't win a trophy at, being no fault of his own too. Levy is such a bellend. Jose doesn't lose finals. Hardcore Spursiness.
Surprise, surprise. The game has moved on and he refuses to move with it. Change is a reality.
His ego doesn't allow him to progress. His drive, instinct and tactical acumen left him years ago. Now he is just bitter, and in need of constant attention.
Compare him to Ancellotti.
His ego doesn't allow him to progress. His drive, instinct and tactical acumen left him years ago. Now he is just bitter, and in need of constant attention.
Compare him to Ancellotti.
His future is in Saudi Arabia.. Newcastle, even if they fire Howe wouldnt touch him because his reputation as a special coach is already damaged beyond repair..its all his own fault really..a typical case of a coach who refused to adapt his methods to the changes in football..
You don't win silverware with 5 different clubs without adapting to changes.
Ridiculous take.
In what ways do you think he has adapted?
I appreciate the work that Newcastle have done since their takeover. They’ve spent money but not how people expected, they have a squad with a good core of local lads who are not overhyped but play on merit and have positions in their squad that are not exaggerated. They’ve scouted and signed good players. I think Howe has done a good job. They make the league stronger.
The silverware has consistently dropped in standard. That's how you know he's not adapting.
Ignore the spiel, watch the video. Roma really need to win more trophies. What a beautiful open top bus parade route for when they do win.
Surreal. Almost like watching a horribly CGI'd scene in a Marvel movie.
Mourinho is a character. He creates stories. Without him, the football world would get blander and more boring. I hope he finds a team soon.
Honestly, it's less of that and more just him being waaaaaay too much of a pain in the arse to deal with. It's one thing to put up with him if he's winning, but as soon as he's not, what's the fecking point??? Spare yourself the pain
And people talk about tactics or training methods but really, what he's truly failed to adapt to is the newer generations of players
Huge surprise there. Big Sam is still available
Hope your brasilian club returns to their best soon: Serie A needs a stronger Vasco. Please don't hire second tier crappy Portuguese managers like the some Brazilian clubs did
If you do, at least hire a guy with something on his CV.Agree to disagree then. Mourinho is still respected and loved by the players.. most of the Roma players loves him but his tactics are failing him big time. Roma as a football team almost 3 years later is a team with no structure,no style, no organisation..its laughable really..his methods are not working anymore,its quite obvious..
It's probably time for him to become the Portugal manager in the near future.
It was right to sack him then and it would be a stupid idea now.
They are 5 points off top 4, continue to underperform their underlying metrics and have had to deal with constant injury crisis(which is endemic of the club unfortunately, so not Mou's fault) while dealing with 2 competitions. I'm not sure why people believe they should be doing much better than this honestly. They're underperforming but definitely not by a sackable degree. Last season they made the EL final. Two seasons ago they won the Conference
Mourinho was sacked because he's waaaay too much of a pain the arse to deal with, and not doing well enough result-wise to justify sticking with him. Their Sporting director just quit on them because he was tired of Mourinho
I agree with your first sentence but don't understand the second one. I do think that his issue is with man-management but I don't see how it relates to newer generations of players because his issues started to be public with Real Madrid 10 years ago and then Chelsea when his teams were largely made of players that were from his prime(his "generation"). Also the way he handled the Shevchenko situation at Chelsea was a first indication of how things would go, he was already uncompromising, I don't think that he was wrong but in sports you often have to move past certain things and Mourinho won't do it.
I think that the issue with Mourinho is simple, it's the same issue that often happens with age and a more settled context, people often(not always) become more conservative and less willing to compromise. Mourinho will be a Football legend when he retires, he has won all the major trophies at club level, he has (presumably) plenty of money, all of that isn't a good ground for compromise unless you are an exceptional manager among exceptional managers, in Football that's basically SAF and Ancelotti.
5 points off top 4 with half the season left to go is a lot. If everything continued at the same pace they'd end 9-10 points off top 4. They're 9th!
I don't think it's as easy to adapt tactically as people seem to think.
Coaching is now incredibly specialised - that's what the likes of Klopp, Guardiola and all the best managers are doing with most of their working time. Tactics, research and drilling that into their players. To do that though, you actually need to have expertise in that yourself. It takes a long time to hone your own craft, before you can then effectively teach it into your playing squad. And it was already too late for Mourinho 10 years ago, when the new generation of coaches came through.
Then again Mourinho did the same, to the coaches that before him.
Coaching is now incredibly specialised - that's what the likes of Klopp, Guardiola and all the best managers are doing with most of their working time. Tactics, research and drilling that into their players. To do that though, you actually need to have expertise in that yourself. It takes a long time to hone your own craft, before you can then effectively teach it into your playing squad. And it was already too late for Mourinho 10 years ago, when the new generation of coaches came through.
Then again Mourinho did the same, to the coaches that before him.
Yes it's not good. It's also far from a disaster, with still half a season to go
@JPRouve Madrid was a poisoned pill from the start - he only could ever become our manager under those very specific circumstances, and so it was natural for things to go pear-shaped once the context changed. His real issues began at Chelsea with mostly a younger newer generation of players that reacted badly to his methods once he turned on the "toxicity"(which is something he creates very deliberately).
Do agree about your point about age though
I read somewhere that Jose has made £83m just from getting sacked! That's four years salary for Guardiola. I can't see Sir Jim thinking about hiring Jose and certainly not if he stayed at The Lowry or wherever it was.