Jose Mourinho | Sacked by Roma

[JagUTD]

I said last night and I'll say it again, Jose is the perfect manager for a side just below the very top sides. A big club from a slightly lower league or one just outside the very best in the top leagues.

He has the knack of making winners out of just about anyone but he excels when the team is the underdog.

If he could keep his ego in check and stay somewhere for a decade, he could quite easily build a club up and make them great. But because he can make any club winners, he's also ridiculously confident in his own abilities and more than happy to burn the entire thing to the ground if anything goes against him.

I really don't get why people hate him, United fans or other. In a sport which has become so sterile, so diluted and filtered, he's the perfect antidote to it all. The game is better for having him, both as a manager and as a character.

 

[USREDEVIL]

I said last night and I'll say it again, Jose is the perfect manager for a side just below the very top sides. A big club from a slightly lower league or one just outside the very best in the top leagues.

He has the knack of making winners out of just about anyone but he excels when the team is the underdog.

If he could keep his ego in check and stay somewhere for a decade, he could quite easily build a club up and make them great. But because he can make any club winners, he's also ridiculously confident in his own abilities and more than happy to burn the entire thing to the ground if anything goes against him.

I really don't get why people hate him, United fans or other. In a sport which has become so sterile, so diluted and filtered, he's the perfect antidote to it all. The game is better for having him, both as a manager and as a character.

football 'eritage...

 

[JagUTD]

football 'eritage...

He's also good for some legendary quotes

 

[MassVolto]

That is a pretty harsh assessment considering that if you look at their respective squads the Milan clubs, Juve and Napoli undoubtedly have more talent at their disposal than Roma so 5th place would be about par which is likely where they will end up

There is not a big gap in quality among these teams and Lazio are 2nd, what's your excuse for their performance?

If you add in that Roma have effectviely been decimated by injuries in the last two months they are doing pretty well to be where they are.

And so has their rivals esp Juve and Milan

Roma are doing well with that they have and Jose has been exactly what they needed after years of being beaten down,

They were the biggest spenders in his first season(120m+) which is why they had to spend less the next but those free signings didn't come cheap either Roma has also stagnated in the league. Before Mou 5th-6th70p-7th62 - his first season 6th63. Talk about progress...

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

He was a toxic twat indeed and I have never seen a United manager throw players under the bus the way he did (or any top manager in a long while?) but what is wrong with saying he was 100% right about Martial and Pogba long before most of us were? I like to mention that because I myself was one of the pro Pogba/Martial fans but in the end Mourinho was right about that.

Pogba was Mourinho's main signing. You have to assume he had say on his transfer. People blame Ole for bringing in Maguire and Wan Bissaka so then Pogba should be associated with Mourinho's failure. It was his job to get the best out of him, playing a young McTominay over him to make a point in a key CL game not long after he broke the world record fee to get him, he failed at that.

I don't think he was necessarily 100% right about Martial, he had one of his best seasons after Mourinho left, one of the best of any striker since Ferguson. Martial's injury record is very frustrating that's right but it's easy to say now when Martial's stock is low.

Also he was wrong about Shaw and Rashford. With Shaw in particular he set him back years with the equivalent of workplace bullying of him.

 

[Theonas]

Yeah it‘s one thing playing like this occasionally against good teams but another playing like this most of the time.

I remember even in his prime (it may even be a game against us/SAF) where after the game he said „I asked my players if they want to enjoy the game or after the game“. I mean what kind of question is this. I can’t think of many if any top managers who would say this. Why not enjoy both, the game and after the game?

He has shown in his La Liga winning season that he can play a more attacking brand but it’s just not his nature so it seems he doesn’t feel comfortable doing it.

He may still be the best to park the aeroplane in a one off game. But once upon a time he was winning CLs like that. Now it’s mostly against EL level teams. His level has dropped significantly.

Also this „fight for your life for me, defend with everything, us against the world“ approach works at clubs and with players who haven’t seen huge success for ages. It worked for 2-3 years with Chelsea first time, he only spent 2 years at Inter and made them believe that with his tactics they can finally win the CL again and to his credit he did.
Then he went to Madrid with the same mindset telling their players he has just won the CL. Ramos replied: so what, we have just won the World Cup. That’s the first time when at a huge club like Madrid players weren’t prepared to blindly follow everything he said. They questioned him. So it was him who needed to adapt more to them then Madrid did to him.
Still that experience broke him/changed his „invincibility“ and since then apart from a few smaller trophies the only big one was his league title with Chelsea in 2015 and even then it was a shocking title defence the following season.
People are saying give him City’s squad he would do as well. No way, even if you take away the play style City teams play, very few managers can win the league again and again with the same club/set of core players. Even with attacking football and winning trophies, players get used to it. They take success granted really quickly. Other teams catch up. If you then after 2,3,5,7 … years don’t regularly offer them something different, new ideas and inspiration, they will stop believing in you and performances and results will start getting worse. That’s why most managers actually leave a club after 2-3 years and even if they stay, further success is limited.

Jose even in his prime has never shown that he can stay longer than just 2-3 years somewhere and here his legion of fans are telling us that we should have backed him more or he would have Pep like success at City.

I remember reading an old article with some people who were close to him where it made the point that he became more intense about his approach after the Barcelona rejection. It could of course be nonsense but it was interesting. The point was that after they rejected him on the basis of his style of playing and how he was cast as this antagonist anti-football brute. It became more and more his mission to not only beat them and people who had similar view on the game like Wenger, but to beat them in the most annoying way. It's kinda funny since it would make not only his footballing style reactive to the oppponent, but his entire footballing ideology reactive to another footballing ideology. I also firmly believe that his fans are the same. A lot of people were/are sick at the fawning over football's purists and how the game should be played, Mourinho represents their main spokesman. I do believe that he is still one of the best coaches of his era and one of the legends of the game, because like every story, an antaognist is needed. I just don't want him near my club.

 

[Care_de_Bobo]

There's something comforting knowing that certain things never change. I don't really mind Mourinho's brand of football as long as I'm not exposed to it every week.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I remember reading an old article with some people who were close to him where it made the point that he became more intense about his approach after the Barcelona rejection. It could of course be nonsense but it was interesting. The point was that after they rejected him on the basis of his style of playing and how he was cast as this antagonist anti-football brute. It became more and more his mission to not only beat them and people who had similar view on the game like Wenger, but to beat them in the most annoying way. It's kinda funny since it would make not only his footballing style reactive to the oppponent, but his entire footballing ideology reactive to another footballing ideology. I also firmly believe that his fans are the same. A lot of people were/are sick at the fawning over football's purists and how the game should be played, Mourinho represents their main spokesman. I do believe that he is still one of the best coaches of his era and one of the legends of the game, because like every story, an antaognist is needed. I just don't want him near my club.

I honestly don't think it is.

He definitely became the anti-thesis of Cruyyf-ball more so after that and especially so after Real Madrid IMO(who I still maintain broke his 'aura'). The 2 legs vs Simeone's Atleti encapsulate this perfectly. Simeone's teams rarely dominate the ball and they had 68% of it in the 1st leg vs Jose's Chelsea. Then 10 man PSG dominate Chelsea at the bridge the following season. He doubled up on his approach after the rejection and subsequent 3rd season at Real IMO.

I mean there were big games post-2013 where his sides were literally allergic to the ball. It was awful watching it.

I remember when we played City in his 1st season at the club at the Etihad and they had 70% of the ball and we looked like a pub side barely stringing passes together. It was brutal viewing.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Negative football =/= fluking. If you constantly create more chances than your opponent by playing negative football, it is indeed impressive albeit not entertaining. If you make a team punch above its weight by playing negative football it is also impressive. But neither is the case with Mourinho in the last 10 years or so. Roma was lucky to go through against an individually worse opponent.

And even if nobody wants to hear it, yes, Mourinho was indeed lucky to get past Barca with Inter. Would be curious how the xG values of those games would look like.

I honestly don't think they were. Barcelona weren't that great in the 1st leg and Inter did defend pretty resolutely with 10 men at the Nou Camp against one of the best teams ever.

I'm pretty sure the xG values for those games wouldn't compare to the Chelsea-Barcelona tie 2 seasons later.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Jose should just become a pundit. He's an entertaining guy as long as you don't allow him to go near a football team.

 

[PepG]

I honestly don't think it is.

He definitely became the anti-thesis of Cruyyf-ball more so after that and especially so after Real Madrid IMO(who I still maintain broke his 'aura'). The 2 legs vs Simeone's Atleti encapsulate this perfectly. Simeone's teams rarely dominate the ball and they had 68% of it in the 1st leg vs Jose's Chelsea. Then 10 man PSG dominate Chelsea at the bridge the following season. He doubled up on his approach after the rejection and subsequent 3rd season at Real IMO.

I mean there were big games post-2013 where his sides were literally allergic to the ball. It was awful watching it.

I remember when we played City in his 1st season at the club at the Etihad and they had 70% of the ball and we looked like a pub side barely stringing passes together. It was brutal viewing.

Yes, Real Madrid stint broke Mourinho in terms of his invisible aura that he built during his Porto-Chelsea-Inter spells. At Madrid for the first time in his career he had to be in the opposite role of what his whole ideology stands for - that of the bigger club. It worked in his first two years because Barcelona at that time were far better than Madrid and his underdog siege mentality suited the narrative at the club. His second season at Madrid is probably his best at any club, yet he still didnt win the biggest prize - the CL. The moment his players believed they are not the underdogs anymore his team crumbled like a house of cards in the next season. Its actually amazing...
As for his anti-Cruyff ideology i think his biggest influence is actually his period as an assistant of Louis Van Gaal at Barcelona. The Dutchman hated everything related to Cruyff although coming from the same school of thought and tried to do the things in the opposite way or better than Cruyff. LVGs pros and cons during his time as a coach of Barca surely showed Mourinho a thing or two about his future career as a coach especially tactically because we cant deny Sir Bobby Robsons influence on him about team building or leadership..

 

[giorno]

The 2 legs vs Simeone's Atleti encapsulate this perfectly. Simeone's teams rarely dominate the ball and they had 68% of it in the 1st leg vs Jose's Chelsea.

That Atletico Madrid side were levels better than Chelsea. As they clearly demonstrated in the second leg, when Chelsea did try to win. Playing for 0-0 in Madrid was a fairly normal decision, not something unique to Mourinho

As for the Inter-Barcelona tie, Barcelona got battered in Milan

 

[nainaisson]

Pogba was Mourinho's main signing.

Woodward was working on that signing behind the scenes when Van Gaal was still manager. Had nothing to do with Mourinho.

 

[TenonTen]

Some of the notions regarding Jose are hilarious on here. You'd think some folks here haven't watched a game of Football and have blindly accepted whatever certain media outlets have told them.


Why do people call Jose a chequebook manager? He's the one all time great manager who has proven and done it with all kinds of budgets. Infact his greatest triumphs have been severely overachieving with underdogs.

The other day, I saw someone saying Mourinho would ruin Mbappe. What on Earth? Under him CR7 scored for fun, Drogba thrived, Kane played the best football of life just like Son did, Tammy had a cracking first season, Dybala is revitalized. He gets the best out of quality attackers.


About the style of play, Roma normally play good Football and are pretty attacking most of the time. What's wrong in being pragmatic in such a game after you have earned a lead in the first leg? That's what makes Mourinho so great. He's adaptable and a true tactical genius. Many of the "progressive managers" can't setup their team to get results in big moments to save their life because they know only one way to play. Even the "defensive pragmatic coaches" of today know only one way to play. Mourinho changes his tactical setups based on the opponents.


The 2 greatest managers of this era, Jose and Pep are both exceptional tacticians with very different beliefs and tactical nuances learning from the same Barca school of coaches.

 

[Theonas]

Yes, Real Madrid stint broke Mourinho in terms of his invisible aura that he built during his Porto-Chelsea-Inter spells. At Madrid for the first time in his career he had to be in the opposite role of what his whole ideology stands for - that of the bigger club. It worked in his first two years because Barcelona at that time were far better than Madrid and his underdog siege mentality suited the narrative at the club. His second season at Madrid is probably his best at any club, yet he still didnt win the biggest prize - the CL. The moment his players believed they are not the underdogs anymore his team crumbled like a house of cards in the next season. Its actually amazing...
As for his anti-Cruyff ideology i think his biggest influence is actually his period as an assistant of Louis Van Gaal at Barcelona. The Dutchman hated everything related to Cruyff although coming from the same school of thought and tried to do the things in the opposite way or better than Cruyff. LVGs pros and cons during his time as a coach of Barca surely showed Mourinho a thing or two about his future career as a coach especially tactically because we cant deny Sir Bobby Robsons influence on him about team building or leadership..

This is exactly what it comes down to with Mourinho. He needs an environment where the players happily accept the underdog casting. This was much easier pre '10s with most big games being cagey chess like affairs. It was so much more accepted to play a tight game especially in Europe. A lot of Mourinho's tactical attributes were best used and had the best platform to make a difference such as his reading of the game, ability to change the course of a game with his subs and pumping his players by doubling down on his siege mentality. Post '10s, expectations just became higher for these elite clubs and now they were no longer judged on only winning but on the how. His last great work as you say is Real in that middle period where the stars aligned and he could get the best of them and they the best of him. He just can't offer the very elite teams what they seek anymore though.

 

[FootballHQ]

I do think he underwhelms in league seasons these days. 5th or 6th is more his average these days when you think Man. United finished 6th in 16/17 and probably would've in 18/19 if he'd continued for a few more months. Think Spurs were 7th when he was sacked with a few left in 20/21.

That said I can't say anything if he leads Roma to back to back european successes as that is obviously a fantastic achievement and will get them CL anyway.

He really should go into international management as he's still very good in cup football so I was surprised Portugal didn't wait until the summer before asking him if he fancied the job.

 

[Zehner]

This is ridiculous. If you had said it doesn't play well with building a team as you can stagnate and constantly need a batch of fresh players, it would make sense but to call it a fluke?

Everything in football has an element of luck even Klopps side are banking on increasing their odds of scoring rather than conceding.

From a pragmatic point of view, a tactical setup has always the objective of increasing your chances of winning. So theoretically, if you have to choose between two tactical setups, you choose the one that leaves you with the better ratio of scoring opportunities and conceding opportunities. If the negative setup provides you with the best probability to win, fair enough. However, I don't think that's the case with Mourinho. The same way Barca/Guardiola is willing to fail in beauty, Mourinho is willing to fail in ugliness. And he actually does quite often but sometimes he succeeds, as against us. However, if you have one shot worth 0.04 xG over the whole game and concede 23 shots then I do think it's lucky that this tie didn't at least go into extra time for him. That's what I mean with reproducability: Play this tie 10 times and Roma doesn't go through playing like this for the majority of duels.

I honestly don't think they were. Barcelona weren't that great in the 1st leg and Inter did defend pretty resolutely with 10 men at the Nou Camp against one of the best teams ever.

I'm pretty sure the xG values for those games wouldn't compare to the Chelsea-Barcelona tie 2 seasons later.

Could be, it's been some time since then and maybe my memory tricked me. However, I definitely recall many times Mourinho set his team up like that and was praised afterwards for going through although he was very lucky to have done so. What bothers me the most is that he does it so many times, even when his team is principally capable of playing on the front foot. To me it often seems as if him believing he has to play this way is a self fulfilling prophecy. He sets up in a negative way, his team plays bad and then he says "see? I had to play this way, they would have slaughtered us in an open game" even when worse teams are able to compete with far less destructive football.

 

[Pintu]

Woodward was working on that signing behind the scenes when Van Gaal was still manager. Had nothing to do with Mourinho.

Yes of course it was Woodward. Adidas wanted him to stay in their sphere (and United had just joined them)…. They did the same last summer when he refused to extend here. They lobbied Juventus to take him on (specially given Juve was losing Dybala). That’s why I think marketing players like him can’t be judged on the price tag. The money involved isn’t subject to normal football criteria.

 

[Gandalf]

Lazio are 4th…

Regardless. One European trophy won and into another final. Look at what Roma have won in the years before Mourinho. He has been a success there regardless of your personal dislike for the man and that is undeniable.

 

[giorno]

Play this tie 10 times and Roma doesn't go through playing like this for the majority of duels.

Roma played 2 all defensive games in EL, both 0-0 draws, the difference is they actually were lucky to not concede in San Sebastian, but also they took a deserved 2 goals lead with them after a spanking in the first leg. They battered Salzburg and Feyenoord home and away, crushed Real Sociedad at home, the only tie they didn't win convincingly was this one, the one where they were dealing with a mega injury emergency which has greatly affected their form as well, since they have to keep playing the same guys every game every 4 days. They managed the win the first leg in which they were the better team and created the better chances, then did the only thing they could in the second, namely, defend for their lives and hope for the best. And leverkusen took 23 shots to get to...1.1 xG. The most dangerous shot they took was worth 0.1 xG

Could be, it's been some time since then and maybe my memory tricked me. However, I definitely recall many times Mourinho set his team up like that and was praised afterwards for going through although he was very lucky to have done so.

Such as?

 

[united_99]

Leverkusen played like Potter‘s version of Brighton but worse. Brighton usually created higher quality chances and still at times you felt they could play on for two more hours and still not score. Same with Leverkusen against Roma.
A better team with better players upfront would have scored at least two goals against Jose‘s approach.

 

[shamans]

From a pragmatic point of view, a tactical setup has always the objective of increasing your chances of winning. So theoretically, if you have to choose between two tactical setups, you choose the one that leaves you with the better ratio of scoring opportunities and conceding opportunities. If the negative setup provides you with the best probability to win, fair enough. However, I don't think that's the case with Mourinho. The same way Barca/Guardiola is willing to fail in beauty, Mourinho is willing to fail in ugliness. And he actually does quite often but sometimes he succeeds, as against us. However, if you have one shot worth 0.04 xG over the whole game and concede 23 shots then I do think it's lucky that this tie didn't at least go into extra time for him. That's what I mean with reproducability: Play this tie 10 times and Roma doesn't go through playing like this for the majority of duels.

Pep fails in beauty but Mourinho fails in ugliness? These are some weird subjective definitions. A successful manager is a successful manager, period.

Lampard to “fails in beauty” does that make him somehow superior or more pro football to Mourinho?

Also if you’re gonna dwell on stats be consistent. You point out XG for Roma but shots conceded against them rather than XG against them. You should do that.

I’d like to see Pep implement his pro football ideology at Tottenham, Roma or Chelsea. Mourinho takes on different challenges to Pep and they are different managers.

Either way Mourinho is a pragmatic manager but not some tony pulis you make him out to be. The stuff about being a fluke or “ten times out or ten” they don’t win is nonsense. You don’t have the record he does just by fluking it

 

[André Dominguez]

The main goal is qualifying for CL and they're one win away from it. This is absolutely a great season so far. Their results have also generally been worse than they deserved, they had to deal with injuries to key players all season long and theit strikers couldn't score in a brothel

They may not even qualify for Conference League in Serie A. The only way to save the season is to win EL. But if they fail to do it it will be a disastrous season.

 

[giorno]

They may not even qualify for Conference League in Serie A. The only way to save the season is to win EL. But if they fail to do it it will be a disastrous season.

Nah, if they fail it will be a bittersweet, slightly disappointing season

Club and fans are quite happy with him so far

 

[tentan]

Mourinho and PSG a match made in heaven

 

[pupper]

Mourinho style is ,whether attacking or defending it always depends on circumstances , he would assess his team vs opposition strength and weakness then set accordingly, one thing for sure is he doesn't fancy possession football. But possession football doesn't equal with attacking football ( see LVG tenure ).His focus is creating a lot of chances and most importantly, preventing others from creating to his team , possession isn't important to him.Leverkusen had 23 shots but only 1.1 xg since most of them were a half chance shooting outside of the box. He could however , set his team to attack aggressively if he wanted ( remember his Chelsea team went straight 3-0 against Barca , or how he overturn 1-0 defeat against fayenoord ). He has 7 goals scored , 1 conceded so far in knockout stage. Somebody can provide with data on how many goals his team has scored throughout his career and trust me , it will be a staggering amount.
Parking the bus is also an art , you don't do it just by putting all the players in their box , it has to be organized and systematic


He is collecting other club old , aging , finished players , players that their previous club doesn't want to renew anymore , benchwarmer at their previous club , have -57m net spend this season
Was 8th in odds table for UEL ( Barcelona, juventus, united , arsenal , sporting , sociedad , ajax were all have bigger odds so to say he didn't do a good job already is unfair

They may not even qualify for Conference League in Serie A. The only way to save the season is to win EL. But if they fail to do it it will be a disastrous season.

Their fans know the hardship of the team,they have around 8 to 10 players out injured since march to an already thin squad depth , some of them have their season over already. Whatever the UEL results is, the fans is still going to appreciate this season.

 

[Pintu]

 

[The Corinthian]

However, I don't think that's the case with Mourinho. The same way Barca/Guardiola is willing to fail in beauty, Mourinho is willing to fail in ugliness.

fecking hell.

 

[redcafe_reader]

The same way Barca/Guardiola is willing to fail in beauty, Mourinho is willing to fail in ugliness.

This is the reason I always find it funny when people say Mourinho (or other defensive manager in general) is a coward. They are not coward, actually they are very brave.

When Pep fail, no matter what you always have some simple people who defend him because he "play good football". When Mourinho fail it's hard to point the finger anywhere else but him.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Fecking love this man.

 

[PepG]

This is the reason I always find it funny when people say Mourinho (or other defensive manager in general) is a coward. They are not coward, actually they are very brave.

When Pep fail, no matter what you always have some simple people who defend him because he "play good football". When Mourinho fail it's hard to point the finger anywhere else but him.

How exactly is not taking a risk a brave move because the so called defensive football is exactly that - the safety approach. Attacking football is and always will be the brave strategy in this game no matter what people say. Also i always find it funny that people think that defensive managers are pragmatic. The real objective of playing football is to score more goals than the opponent so the attacking minded coaches are as pragmatic as it gets.

 

[TenonTen]

Now that we're on about something as subjective as style of play, let me say that I hate Pep's brand of possession play. Do people really find City good to watch? I found the WC winning Spain team boring to watch. Give me Klopp's Dortmund or his early Liverpool years or Peak Wengerball anyday. That's what exciting football is.


Pep's teams are horrendous to watch.

 

[redcafe_reader]

How exactly is not taking a risk a brave move because the so called defensive football is exactly that - the safety approach. Attacking football is and always will be the brave strategy in this game no matter what people say. Also i always find it funny that people think that defensive managers are pragmatic. The real objective of playing football is to score more goals than the opponent so the attacking minded coaches are as pragmatic as it gets.

Because for them, only result matter since there is no "at least he play good football" defense.

Most fan obviously like attacking football, so their view of a defensive manager is lukewarm at best, and they have to actually win thing to win over fan.

Look at it this way: by playing a "safety" way they put a bigger risk to their reputation, if they can't actually win title or cup, people won't care much about them. Also big team most of the time look for an attacking/controlling manager not a defensive manager.

I know people have different opinion. But for me I always respect the kind of people who put their reputation down to their success not "style".

Now that we're on about something as subjective as style of play, let me say that I hate Pep's brand of possession play. Do people really find City good to watch? I found the WC winning Spain team boring to watch. Give me Klopp's Dortmund or his early Liverpool years or Peak Wengerball anyday. That's what exciting football is.


Pep's teams are horrendous to watch.

They absolutely control game and dominate other teams. I can't speak for you but if we can play like that I would be much happier.

 

[giorno]

How exactly is not taking a risk a brave move because the so called defensive football is exactly that - the safety approach. Attacking football is and always will be the brave strategy in this game no matter what people say. Also i always find it funny that people think that defensive managers are pragmatic. The real objective of playing football is to score more goals than the opponent so the attacking minded coaches are as pragmatic as it gets.

Well no. Being pragmatic depends on circumstance. If, say, you coach Roma, and you play Manchester City, a defence&counter approach can be seen as pragmatic. If on the other hand, you coach City in that scenario, the pragmatic approach would be to either dominate possession and territory, or if you can force it, create a wide open, transition-heavy game. A defensive approach would not be pragmatic because Roma would likely not commit men forward out of fear of giving you space

 

[dalriada]

You have to acknowledge Jose's trophy record (as if he would ever let anyone forget). His behaviour can be entertaining until you start to look at the longer term consequences. When he replaced LVG at Utd and I was asked what I thought of the appointment I said it would end in tears and it did. He will usually deliver a trophy or two and he can rightly claim the Europa League win as a tactical masterstroke, but the big problem for me is that the wreckage he will leave along the way. His habit of "motivating" players by publicly humiliating them as he did with Shaw is also deeply unpleasant. He also got used to Abramovich's chequebook football and was bound to fall out with owners who wouldn't indulge his throwaway recruitment habit and his demand for two players for every position (although Pep effectively gets that). A successful manager but a really unpleasant human being.

 

[Ludens the Red]

As Roma before Mourinho

- no trophies in 14 years
- no European trophy in history
- last three league finishes - 6th, 5th, 7th

As Roma after Mourinho

- ends 14 year trophy drought
- wins first ever European trophy for Roma
- reaches a second European final
- league finishes- 6th and possibly 5th-6th or 7th

Redcafe take -

“Mourinho is doing badly”
“Roma fans must not like him”
“Disastrous season”….

 

[Red Star One]

As Roma before Mourinho

- no trophies in 14 years
- no European trophy in history
- last three league finishes - 6th, 5th, 7th

As Roma after Mourinho

- ends 14 year trophy drought
- wins first ever European trophy for Roma
- reaches a second European final
- league finishes- 6th and possibly 5th-6th or 7th

Redcafe take -

“Mourinho is doing badly”
“Roma fans must not like him”
“Disastrous season”….

This is very funny and quite clearly anyone who claims this doesn't know any Roma fan, Jose brought them back to any relevance, got them trophies and made them feel the heat of big games again. From my personal experience, all Roma fans and Serie A followers have no doubt Jose has been very good for Roma and they wouldn't have anyone else there. If you hate him with passion, you're free to believe Roma fans would prefer a young progressive manager like Scott Parker and perhaps with him they'd finally understand what football means, when you're supposed to be satisfied as a supporter and what the game is all about.

 

[giorno]

For the record Roma have the 4th best attack and best defence in serie A by xG, and the third best xGD. If they had Lautaro or Osimhen instead of Abraham anf Belotti they finish top 3 comfortably, might even have challenged for the title for a while. This while dealing with Dybala's usual injuries, El Sharaawy's usual injuries, Wijnaldum's injuries forcing them to play old man Matic 90 minutes of every game, having to rely on kids in key games, and starting Rui Patricio in goal and Ibañez in defence

In EL they were outplayed twice in 14 games, second leg against Real Sociedad(defending a 2 goal lead) and the recent Leverkusen game

 

[Pogue Mahone]

As Roma before Mourinho

- no trophies in 14 years
- no European trophy in history
- last three league finishes - 6th, 5th, 7th

As Roma after Mourinho

- ends 14 year trophy drought
- wins first ever European trophy for Roma
- reaches a second European final
- league finishes- 6th and possibly 5th-6th or 7th

Redcafe take -

“Mourinho is doing badly”
“Roma fans must not like him”
“Disastrous season”….

That's a very roundabout way of saying they won a third rate European trophy without getting any better in the league than the manager that was sacked for him to take over.

 

[Ludens the Red]

This is very funny and quite clearly anyone who claims this doesn't know any Roma fan, Jose brought them back to any relevance, got them trophies and made them feel the heat of big games again. From my personal experience, all Roma fans and Serie A followers have no doubt Jose has been very good for Roma and they wouldn't have anyone else there. If you hate him with passion, you're free to believe Roma fans would prefer a young progressive manager like Scott Parker and perhaps with him they'd finally understand what football means, when you're supposed to be satisfied as a supporter and what the game is all about.

Aye, Italians in general are also not as demanding of “free flowing attacking football” as some other nations are which makes a big difference to how Mourinho is perceived.

That's a very roundabout way of saying they won a third rate European trophy without getting any better in the league than the manager that was sacked for him to take over.

It might be a third rate European trophy to us Manchester United fans but it wasn’t to Roma fans which is why thousands of them lined the street for a parade to celebrate it. It’s a big deal to them as is reaching two European finals compared to a manager who didn’t.
Previous managers departure wasn’t that straight forward either . New owners, think his contract was up too. So it was more a change of direction. And they’re clearly very happy with the direction Mourinho has them in despite what a lot in this thread post and that was my underlying point rwally