The squad definitely needs a bit of an overhaul, and Mourinho is the guy you'd want to do that, so sacking him would be short sighted. I guess it will all come down to how much trust Abramovich has in him. Top four finish and quarters or something like that in the CL would be underwhelming for Mourinho but it's not exactly a disaster. I think he'll get to Christmas unless things go really pear-shaped and they lose to Southampton at the weekend followed by a lacklustre draw or something. That would constitute relegation form.
Jose Mourinho Sack Watch
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This is their first choice squad:
Thibs
Ivan-JT--Cahill-Azpi
Cesc-Matic
Pedro-Oscar-Hazard
Costa
Does that squad really need that big of an overhaul though? Besides for Costa, whom well say is just in bad form, the only real replacements they need are for Ivan and JT. Even then, Zouma is being blooded in for JT already, and I don't think you should buy a WC defender to play over Zouma with the potential he has.
It's more tooling the squad depth, which they could have if half the team wasn't on loan, and IMO waiting for Costa to get back in form. It's no coincidence really that Chelsea's bad second half of last year and the start of this season coincides with Costa turning to shit. If by the end of this season, or with the way it looks like it's going the close of winter window, costa is still shite, then they'll have to buy a striker. But really, there's not much they can do besides for the previously stated moves.
He won't be sacked unless there's a major fall out with the players, most managers don't recover from that.
That last time he got sacked from Chelsea was similar circumstances. Poor showing in the first couple of Champions League games but that was a time when that's all Abramavich wanted
I think Mourinho getting sacked might actually be bad for Premier league football and English football in general, there's a lack of characters in the game today -- Pellergrini and van Gaal are boring, Rodgers is stale, and Wenger is Wenger.
All things being taken into consideration, I support Chelsea and not Mourinho, but if he's sacked, I might be interested in the club less and even less in football. Because it just shows the club doesn't care for longetivity and supporters opinions don't mean much (as I say that despite supporting the club from 1000 of miles away), and instead only care about the bottom line.
All things being taken into consideration, I support Chelsea and not Mourinho, but if he's sacked, I might be interested in the club less and even less in football. Because it just shows the club doesn't care for longetivity and supporters opinions don't mean much (as I say that despite supporting the club from 1000 of miles away), and instead only care about the bottom line.
Tell ya what, fire Mourinho and get in Barton, Bellamy and Terry as "characters". That'd be fun.
There were some reports of him saying he wanted to return to Inter in 2016 a few years ago, probably just paper talk, http://www.business-standard.com/ar...eunite-with-inter-in-2016-113072100491_1.html
Turning into a good thread this!
On topic though, I can't see him being sacked again. They'll win on Saturday surely. Was Hazard actually dropped though? Could it be there's a rift forming?......mayhaps a cheeky bid in January?
They do sell us their best players in January
Tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock
Have to say, I love how quite the Chelsea fans have become, reminisces of us under Moyes. Will they miss out on top 4? I fecking hope so*
*As long as it’s not at the expense of Liverpool getting top 4
Being quite is awesome.
Mourinho has become a boring parody of himself. The Premier League won't miss him as a character, if he starts to fail as a manager (which is still a big if). It's the truely great manager, the Premier League would miss. The big question is if he can be that great manager in his 3rd/4th/5th season at a club. It would be a bit sad if we never found out because he couldn't get over his own ego and continued to act like a petulant child.
To be fair, one day we might be asking the same question about Pep Guardiola as successful as he's been. Can he do 5-6 seasons at one club?
To be really honest, he hasn't exactly set the league on fire in his second stint here. He's been good, but he's also better than what he's shown us in the past 2+ seasons.
I don't think I have ever seen Jose being so clueless about what he is trying to do, he is making random changes every game with no real pattern or plan. I also find this belief strange that they are too good to not make top 4 and things will turn around soon.
Also think that a lot of his decisions in the second stint have made no sense at all, he has sold KDB, Mata, Schurrle, Lukaku etc and then completely forgot about his squad last season. He realized this season that all of his big players had played far too much and were mentally & physically tired so he is now making random changes. All just seems totally bizarre.
LVG can be accused of many things, but being boring isn't one of them. His football maybe, but certainly not his character.Ivanovic is seriously pissing me off. Every game he does nothing. Both goals scored from his end yesterday. 10 tackels attemted and won 1. 0 blocks. 0 crosses completed out of 10 attempted. Andre and Brahimi roasted him the whole night. Even Walsall had targetted him forget Montero or Sako. Ivanovic is just done as a RB at this level. If he starts on Saturday, we are not winning that game and this might be his downfall.
He rarely Has mind games with a a manager though Like SAF Benitez jose and all does. The closest is a mild disagreement he had with Sam Allardyce which lasted 5 minutes of one press conference.
The problem is the board didn't listen to Mourinho when he sent in his squad report and decided not to fix any of our glaring weaknesses in the summer. I think this is a big part of why Mourinho is acting so miserable as he probably doesn't feel backed enough as a manager.
I totally agree with this. Mourinho had an idea who he need and want, we all saw that they were after Stones, probably Mourinho wanted 2-3 more players to keep things fresh.
But i think Abramovich just didn't want to spend money, they walked the league last season and he tought that they could easily do it again this year without spending. Pedro to didn't looked like Mourinho signing, they were after him early in the window, lost interest for quite a long time and in the end signed him, then there was that defender in last days of the transfer window which Mourinho didn't even know. He was also against the sale of Cech but Abramovich did it himself. It look like Abramovich did many things against Mourinho.
It is clear that summer transfer window didn't go the way Mourinho wanted and ths is one of the reasons why they ares strugling.
I've no idea what that has to do with my post? I'm not interested in a silly Mou vs Pep debate and I don't think Mourinho's career is in any way defined through Guardiola.
You should listen to van Gaal's press conferences then, the man is absolute nuts.
There aren't such things as world class long term managers any more. Teams just don't do it.
It's funny that all our main rivals could feasibly get rid of their managers by the summer - City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. That's the sort of panic a resurgent United causes in the football world.
Believe me, I have no intention of tuning this into a Guardiola vs Mourinho comparison. What I've bolded is what I responded to and believe that at Pep Guardiola may never prove to be a great manager over a sustained period at that club. I shouldn't have brought Guardiola up in a Mourinho thread knowing the implications. I'll take the blame if people start with the Pep vs Jose debates.
But you're doing it. Again. There's nothing else in your post other than that
.Roman is not going to sack him... (well I dont think so anyway) - More likely to chuck tons of money at him and tell him to build a new team
Yeah that is the last thing Roman would do especially since he didn't give him the money this summer. It would be like admiting that he was wrong and a guy like Abramovich never does that.
they're playing very un-mourinho like which makes me think there must have been a fallout with the players.
perhaps they're all tired of his schtick, it's always been a question mark over him about how long he can keep it going at one club, maybe his cult of personality does lose its effectiveness after a period. when he came back to chelsea he made all the noises about building a legacy but i've not seen much in the way of future planning myself, he ran the bollocks off his first 11 last year and its no surprise they look shattered now. He's dropping big names to try and stir something up but the replacements being poor only undermines the whole idea. Would still fancy them to get top 4 purely because the individual quality should be enough to beat most other teams but you'd have to have serious reservations about any kind of knockout game when you see players so half-assed and error prone
Off to PSG in the summer
perhaps they're all tired of his schtick, it's always been a question mark over him about how long he can keep it going at one club, maybe his cult of personality does lose its effectiveness after a period. when he came back to chelsea he made all the noises about building a legacy but i've not seen much in the way of future planning myself, he ran the bollocks off his first 11 last year and its no surprise they look shattered now. He's dropping big names to try and stir something up but the replacements being poor only undermines the whole idea. Would still fancy them to get top 4 purely because the individual quality should be enough to beat most other teams but you'd have to have serious reservations about any kind of knockout game when you see players so half-assed and error prone
Off to PSG in the summer
Is it
a) Mourinho loses motivation
or
b) Mourinho doesn't have the ability to motivate players long-term?
I reckon it's B. Therein lies the genius of Ferguson - to be able to squeeze out the extra 1% out of players year after year without them tiring of his methods.
i put terry, ivanovic and costa in my dream team. you can all thank me now.
To be a special one you need a special club.
After engineering his own messy release, he will be the first ever best manager in the world that none of the elite clubs want.
I still think that he should have joined us, even though I'm not a fan of his attitude, United is the perfect club for him, the managers have a lot of freedom and I feel that Mourinho needs that freedom to show his true quality.
Wasn't expecting things to turn so bad at Chelsea. Honestly expected him to dispatch Porto with ease.
I think it's Mourinho's methods that lose effectiveness over time. He drives into his squads a siege mentality- an "us against them" feeling. He pushes his squads into a corner and brings out the best in them by asking them to fight back. Very effective initially, and players respond brilliantly, but it catches up with you soon. You can't keep alienating them for long, you can't keep them in a corner for long. It is too much intensity and kills the joy of playing football, something Hazard said last year.
Chelsea look uninspired and jaded to me. Maybe there is a reason as to why so many key top players are out of form simultaneously. They just can't take Mourinho's high intensity seige methods anymore.
I think it's Mourinho's methods that lose effectiveness over time. He drives into his squads a siege mentality- an "us against them" feeling. He pushes his squads into a corner and brings out the best in them by asking them to fight back. Very effective initially, and players respond brilliantly, but it catches up with you soon. You can't keep alienating them for long, you can't keep them in a corner for long. It is too much intensity and kills the joy of playing football, something Hazard said last year.
Chelsea look uninspired and jaded to me. Maybe there is a reason as to why so many key top players are out of form simultaneously. They just can't take Mourinho's high intensity seige methods anymore.
i hope he stays for the Premier league.... and have to admit i'm quite enjoying his post match interviews and seeing the pressure mount. Will be interesting to see how he copes with it. Other times he's just left!
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