There were probably only 2 or 3 half decent chances amongst those 46 shots though, the rest were hopeful pot-shots or crosses that were easily dealt with.
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There were probably only 2 or 3 half decent chances amongst those 46 shots though, the rest were hopeful pot-shots or crosses that were easily dealt with.
This is the thing, you say park the bus and it gives the impression we were up against a wall, we weren't, we sacrificed position and the opposition did feck all with it. Arsenal firing in crosses to a striker how cant fecking head a ball, We forced City wide, only Chelsea looked in a good position to score.
31% possession at home against the poorest Arsenal team in living memory, is nothing short of embarrassing, cowardly football.
This kind of shithouse football does not deserve to be successful.
This kind of shithouse football does not deserve to be successful.
This isn't true in the first half against City, you were actually back against the wall. They actually scored a goal that was disallowed and went through the defence on a few occasions in the first half.
I don't have any problem with small teams or teams with no star players parking the bus and only trying to play on the counter (though Leeds with Bielsa for example have shown us that even smaller teams like that can play more ambitious football even against big 6 teams). However I find it problematic when teams with star players and technically good players put 10 men behind the ball in a low block for 90mins, only waiting to take advantage of the other team's eventual error in order to counter them. That shows lack of courage IMO.
Thanks for your input.
It is a compressed season with 2 games every week for probably most weeks of the season. Maybe the low-block tactics can help reduce injury and fatigue. Just a thought.
Leeds, have been highly praised for going out and having a go, so imho, Spurs deserve every bit of the flack they are getting for doing the exact opposite.
Who wants to bet on Mourinho making a sly reference to Pogba and/or Mino in his next press conference? Expect him to go big on players who are willing to sacrifice for the group and who trust in him and not their entourage.
Leeds are getting tonked regularly. Id rather win games thanks.
In a way I hope he does because we'd fully deserve that.
Respect him as a manager, and he can be quite the character, but i just cant enjoy his football most of the time, its just so dull.
Yes, they are a good side, i just dont find them enjoyable to watch.
Yes, they are a good side, i just dont find them enjoyable to watch.
It is utterly naive to go and play open football if you are going to lose. Look at the two Spurs goals. They are typical Jose turnovers. Why would Spurs be stupid enough to go out and attack Arsenal unless they have absolute chance of getting a third goal? It may look good for neutrals but for the Spurs fans a win is more important than the open football. Leeds play good attractive football and is good for watching. But look at the position of Leeds and Spurs.
How on Earth did Jose get those players so cheap for Spurs? Hojberjg for only 15 million? It is a steal.
How on Earth did Jose get those players so cheap for Spurs? Hojberjg for only 15 million? It is a steal.
Now imagine losing at home to the same poorest Arsenal team in living memory.
To prove something to some posters on caf
Yeah we are shit. Happy?
Where the feck were you when your messiah had Utd languishing so low in the table bringing in bucket loads of negativity?
Utd being shit doesn't mean the poster is wrong. People can comment on topics without having to keep the team they support as a point of reference for making judgement.
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Who said anything about open football?
Knew the way this would go, just expecting at least some attacking intent from Spurs when they are up by a goal or two is apparently too much.
Fine then, Spurs are perfect and i shouldn`t question them.
Fine then, Spurs are perfect and i shouldn`t question them.
Sh!t!! You have a point.
Now seriously.
I just don't take what he says seriously, because I know, we all know, very soon there will be plane flying to India...
Spurs 1st on 24 points.
Leeds 14th on 14 points
Spurs GD = +14
Leeds GD = -4
"Have a go" Leeds have scored 7 fewer goals than Spurs. And their policy of letting the opposition have a go at them has resulted in them conceding 11 more goals than Spurs.
To give Spurs flack for achieving results that have made them top of the Prem is like using a pea-shooter against a tank.
I am a big supporter of Mourinho, but the comparison you are making would only make sense if Leeds and Spurs had squads of remotely similar quality, which is not the case.
Umm no they didn't.
That also shows why the comparison was ridiculous.
I agree with your point about comparative squad strengths. But it make little sense to praise Leeds for "having a go", whilst at the same time criticising Spurs when we've scored 7 more goals than them.
The trouble is that people like to cherry pick games. So they focus on the last 3 Spurs games against tough opposition, but ignore 3 games in which we scored a combined total of 14 goals - an average of nearly 3 goals per game.
Mount forced Lloris into a good save with a shot from 25 yards and Giroud latched onto a weak back header from Rodon. What other chances did Chelsea have?
I do think there's a bit of an argument to be made about the sustainability of it all but only time will tell.
Looking at something like that it's quite unusual for a team to score 4 from a combined 1.38 xG across 3 games and concede 0 from a 3.23.
Having said that I do put caveats in there. Top forwards score at a better rate than xG consistently. Son & Kane are top forwards. Top goalies save shots at a better than expected rate consistently. Lloris is handy. Still part of me looks at that and thinks they had the rub of the green a bit there.
Of course, scoring early in the 2 they won there is part of what went on to be. Neither were huge chances at all but seeing as they did score it arguably allowed them to play out the rest of the game the way they did, one in front, soaking up what the oppo can muster which in Arsenal's case was barely anything and not even necessarily looking to counter too hard, just when there was glaring opportunities to do so. They wouldn't necessarily have played that way should the early goal not have come in those games although they did against Chelsea so who really knows.
I do like xG but I think it is possible to break it (or for it to be wrong for certain tactical setups). Klopp kind of has the past couple of seasons, maybe Mourinho can too.
Swings and roundabouts too to an extent on xG, sometimes it goes with you, sometimes against. Probably merited at least a point against Everton on opening day looking at it but lost and should have beat Newcastle but drew. Southampton and Burnley are games they won but maybe should have drew on that measure.
Looking at something like that it's quite unusual for a team to score 4 from a combined 1.38 xG across 3 games and concede 0 from a 3.23.
Having said that I do put caveats in there. Top forwards score at a better rate than xG consistently. Son & Kane are top forwards. Top goalies save shots at a better than expected rate consistently. Lloris is handy. Still part of me looks at that and thinks they had the rub of the green a bit there.
Of course, scoring early in the 2 they won there is part of what went on to be. Neither were huge chances at all but seeing as they did score it arguably allowed them to play out the rest of the game the way they did, one in front, soaking up what the oppo can muster which in Arsenal's case was barely anything and not even necessarily looking to counter too hard, just when there was glaring opportunities to do so. They wouldn't necessarily have played that way should the early goal not have come in those games although they did against Chelsea so who really knows.
I do like xG but I think it is possible to break it (or for it to be wrong for certain tactical setups). Klopp kind of has the past couple of seasons, maybe Mourinho can too.
Swings and roundabouts too to an extent on xG, sometimes it goes with you, sometimes against. Probably merited at least a point against Everton on opening day looking at it but lost and should have beat Newcastle but drew. Southampton and Burnley are games they won but maybe should have drew on that measure.
Tammy twice made a mess of wonderful James crosses which any clean touch was likely a goal, Ziyech firing over from close in and Werner going a second too early.
I do agree that we probably didn't do enough over the game to categorically state we deserved all 3 points but some of the nonsense i'm hearing about how Spurs controlled the game and Mou outsmarted Lampard was just that, nonsense.
I think he worked for Madrid, he wasn't a massive success like Zidane in terms of big titles but he came here mainly to stop Barcelona, among other things, and he also changed the mindset and standards of the team where now if we don't make it to the semis in the UCL it's seen as a bad campaign. So all in all he set the team in the right the direction and you could say he set the bases for the upcoming managers and players who benefited from his previous work at the club.
His ego can be an issue though, at the time I thought our players needed some discipline and drop their egos themselves as they tend to act very 'precious' for a lack of a better word. So I thought someone like Mourinho was a good thing as he wasn't going to buy on their lazyness and lack of tactical commitment. Then it went sour and the confrontation with Casillas had them both leaving the club eventually, so at that time I also thought it was good to replace him with a more complacent manager like Ancelotti.
I dont think we controlled the game, I do however think Jose basically said, "you have the ball, you beat us". I think the result suited both parties, and both of us went home no worse for it, not suggesting it was a fix, more that clearly Jose and Frank get along.
Because Leeds with a much less talented squad on paper is actually playing the more ambitious football.
People are also focusing on those last 3 games because they were games in which Spurs played teams that will be normally fighting for the top 4 as them (Arsenal though is an inferior team to Spurs, City and Chelsea).
Well yes, this is true. I guess I could take him off block then quite safely.
As I said you completely missed the point I was making to make repetitive fleeting arguments. I said Spurs with Mourinho should expect to win the league in the position they are in right now, and if they bottle it again they should probably get rid of Mourinho quickly and let someone else do a rebuild. If Spurs bottle it, or their attacking players dry up in front of goal then based on history and not recent results I'd say it's likely your best attacking players will be unhappy with it. Kane and Son is in their prime right now, bordering on world class the both of them and at 27 and 28 it probably means it's now or never in terms of getting a big contract at a huge club, trophies or get convinced that they will win trophies if they stick with Spurs.
They might love Spurs and continue at the club even if they never win anything, or get paid as well as their peers and I'd happily applaud that if that's the case. I'm not sure it's a recipe for success however and I'd say Spurs would have a higher chance of getting more out of these guys if they built a younger more attacking team to support them. As things stand, they have to work a lot defensively to make up for ageing defenders, lack of quality and strength in depth defensively. I'm not sure Spurs have the coin to spend on top class defenders so I'll bet Mourinho will invest in more of the older type of defenders, defensive midfielders etc. Again it might pay off with a trophy but if it doesn't, Spurs have essentially wasted a couple of seasons on some make belief love story with Mourinho, while instead they maybe could have rebuilt their squad to be equipped for longterm success.
Long term success
Win 1 trophy in 10 years. Or win 1 trophy in 2 years.
It's still 1 trophy boys
Win 1 trophy in 10 years. Or win 1 trophy in 2 years.
It's still 1 trophy boys
If you attack in numbers then you open up at the back and leave space for the other team to attack. If you do not leave space, then other team cannot attack you much.
Isn't what they tried to do with Poch? I have more faith in Jose winning a trophy than Poch winning one.
So Jose either wins the league or he's out. I guess it's a good thing for Ole that he's never in that position.
Mourinho could be motivated to found a dynasty, you know.
Our best manager post SAF.Should have been backed.I would give all my money to see Woodward,Neville and Ole face when he win PL with Spurs.
There's a middle ground between throwing men forward and not even counterattacking.
then what Spurs did not Arsenal will most likely happen.
Weren't you guys who actually have inflated ego despite having mediocre squad ? You have certain Frenchman saying "We are Manchester United , we have to attack , attack , attack!" as if France didn't just won the world cup by playing defensive counter attacking football, with himself being told to man mark Fellaini in semi final. I don't think United players is humble enough to actually listen to Mourinho instruction word by word every game despite the fact that the players has no right to have bigger ego than him, you guys won nothing since he left and shouldn't even have an ego anymore.
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