Jose Mourinho Sack Watch | Sacked per 19-04

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Raredaredevil said:
You are entitled to your opinion but if you think Ole's style is entertaining, then I have a bridge to sell you! :lol:
At the end of the day, trophies are what counts towards the legacy of a club and manager.
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Ole's style of play is far more entertaining than anything Jose served up. It's not even a fair comparison.
 
Most United fans on here kind of knew how this would end. Spurs fans at the start saying they have a better team and squad than us.

Jose has not adapted tactics and is now making this Spurs team look very ordinary.
 
NewGlory said:
It is 2021, and only two trophies matter in English football, for major clubs - EPL title and Champions League
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The world doesn't care what you think. It's this kind of condescending mindset that makes fans of other league dislike the English league. Honestly, I find this a loser's mentality. By saying this, you're also disrespecting Man Utd's 1999 treble win.
 


Lloris hinting at problems within the club. Lack of togetherness etc .. sounds familiar.
 
Scapegoating the players is his speciality. I've always said he would be a superb politician. By superb I mean at twisting the truth. He now has an ally in the incompetent Lloris.
 
Raredaredevil said:
You are entitled to your opinion but if you think Ole's style is entertaining, then I have a bridge to sell you! :lol:
At the end of the day, trophies are what counts towards the legacy of a club and manager.
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Legacy? Mourinho at United? There is no fecking legacy! The guy was an abomination. For all Ole's faults, he's done a fantastic job at building the club/squad back up from the shit heap Mourinho left it in. He was such a bad choice for Man Utd.
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I'm actually the best at parties because I'm always the one organizing.
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That's legendary. You're Redcafe's answer to Monica Geller!
 
Stop defending previous posts regarding JM as opinions, those were not opinions, you were his fans/acolytes even before he became a United manager. Never forget the drivel spouted in his defense when he was mocked for that famous list of him promoting youth, or the amount of RM youtube videos posted after people called out his dogshit style of football, or the treatment of certain players that werent in JM camp, after Sevilla he took a dump on the club and majority were still noding. At the end 81% of this place wanted him.

Now same bunch have a cheek to have a go at Ole for same shit they defended JM from.
 
I feel like I’m hugely in the minority but I can’t help but like the guy. :lol: I’m not even sure why, I was gutted when it ended badly for him at OT (he absolutely had to go, but I was sad for him). I always felt that his destiny was to come to Old Trafford and that be the job that gets associated with Mourinho when his career ended.

Regardless though, he’s finished, international management beckons.
 
R'hllor said:
Stop defending previous posts regarding JM as opinions, those were not opinions, you were his fans/acolytes even before he became a United manager. Never forget the drivel spouted in his defense when he was mocked for that famous list of him promoting youth, or the amount of RM youtube videos posted after people called out his dogshit style of football, or the treatment of certain players that werent in JM camp, after Sevilla he took a dump on the club and majority were still noding. At the end 81% of this place wanted him.

Now same bunch have a cheek to have a go at Ole for same shit they defended JM from.
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But he said truth? (that was the defense isn't it)

Also hilarious that people think he called out ownership when all he did was moan about transfers and praised how great Glazers are (when he took over). Shame LUHG brigade don't even know that.
 
I don't think this was a proper Mourinho meltdown, I'm not as entertained as I expected to be. In fact, you could say Lloris threw the players under the bus more than Jose did.

Usual deflection of his own setup aside, I'd even go as far as to say that Jose talked sense. Anyone who watched the game would agree that Spurs players looked complacent on the pitch -the goals conceded were because they defended half-heartedly, the passing was casual, the movement non-existent. It was a clear difference of attitude - couple of players aside, most of them were lethargic and had the wrong mentality till they were 2-0 down. Dinamo Zagreb came flying out of the blocks with belief and intent and it was classy of Jose to applaud the away dressing room. Lloris confirmed that the manager's instructions were to go get that away goal, and Jose threw every attacking player he had on the pitch, too. This is a rare moment when he's justified in questioning his team.

Lloris went one step further and called out the hypocrisy of the non-starters for talking the talk without walking the walk. He said the team wasn't pulling in the same direction as a squad, and that it shows. He was clearly calling out certain teammates for not playing for the badge.

That said, Jose is responsible for some of that toxic culture, of course. You can't alienate players like Alli and play favourites and expect intra-squad divisions to not occur. He is partly responsible for that attitude, himself.
 
RashyForPM said:
In hindsight, they should never have sacked one of the best managers they have ever had.
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Probably, especially in light of how bad Jose has been. But, even though they made the CL Final in 2019, their form after February of 2019 up to Poch's sacking during the 2019-20 season was almost relegation level form. Seriously, it is amazing they even finished fourth in 2018-19 in light of how they ended the season. Considering that time period was probably one of the few instances that Tottenham was considered in the mix for major silverware, it is more understandable that the club took decisive, yet incorrect, action. It was kind of similar to when Jol was sacked and replaced by Juande Ramos; good manager coming to Tottenham, setting expectations too high by initial success, heavy investment, failure to live up to expectations, and then sacked early into a new season and replaced by a more successful manager that is a total failure.
 
Raredaredevil said:
You are entitled to your opinion but if you think Ole's style is entertaining, then I have a bridge to sell you! :lol:
At the end of the day, trophies are what counts towards the legacy of a club and manager.
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Do you really think that the joyless grind of our time under Mourinho was more entertaining than Ole? I find that incredible. Ole has plenty of flaws & I'm far from his biggest fan, but we've had more weird and wonderful games under Ole than under the last 3 managers combined.
 
balaks said:
Ok no worries, just still a bit salty after last night
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Yeh not surprising! Even I was shocked by that
Random Task said:
The majority of those posts were made by Spurs fans - more in hope than expectation.

We, United fans, acted in a similarly positive (hopeful) manner when he joined us. I bet you were one of them.
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Why would the Utd fans in those posts be hopeful that Joe Mourinho would be a success at Spurs? I wanted nothing but failure for him after the state he left the club in.

I was hopeful at the start, but I also never wanted or liked Mourinho even before he came to Utd and deep down I always knew he was the wrong man for this club. I supported him for a spell but he was going backwards and it was never so clear that he was past it as a manager. That's what I find so staggering about the comments from Utd fans saying he was still class and deserved more time.
 
roonster09 said:
But he said truth? (that was the defense isn't it)

Also hilarious that people think he called out ownership when all he did was moan about transfers and praised how great Glazers are (when he took over). Shame LUHG brigade don't even know that.
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Yea he was keeping it real by some. That whole period from the moment first rumour started till now should be documented and studied, every single post.

Sultan said:
Scapegoating the players is his speciality. I've always said he would be a superb politician. By superb I mean at twisting the truth. He now has an ally in the incompetent Lloris.
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Him in politics would be something scary, Trump have nothing on him, when it comes to brainwasing masses and pushing his PR.
 
Raredaredevil said:
You are entitled to your opinion but if you think Ole's style is entertaining, then I have a bridge to sell you! :lol:
At the end of the day, trophies are what counts towards the legacy of a club and manager.
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And at the end of the day good performances with quality players will yield trophies. History shows that dour performances can win you the odd title, but you will never get prolonged success playing like that. For what its worth Ole has given us performances Mourinho can only dream of in comparison even if we have been pretty poor at times this season.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
Midfield and defence are their problem areas as you identified. Well that and just odd investments such as Bergwyn, they were crying out for a backup striker when they brought in Bergwyn. In fact Bergwyn ended up playing a game or two as striker because they literally had no one else. Then they bring in Bale for that same position, so now you have Lamela, Moura, Son, Bale and Bergwyn, how many wingers do Spurs need? I guess Bale will be going back to RM so there is that, at least now they have a backup to Kane in Vinicius.

Midfield and defence, average to bad. Hojbjerg has been good tbf, do not rate him as highly as Ndidi but he is the anchor for Spurs midfield. And as you mention they have some world class players up top in Son and Kane, although come the end of the season and no CL or trophies. Will see if either remain at Spurs. The midfield has been in decline since Modric left really, they had Dembele who in his own right was a gifted midfielder, but even he wasnt a patch on Modric. Now you have Ndombele, Sissoko, and Winks, none of whom are in the class of Dembele in his prime, let alone Modric.

The defence is an aging Alderweireld, who is probably the best CB they have, a converted DM in Dier and Davinson Sanchez, both Dier and Sanchez drift between ok to bad. I certainly cant say Ive seen a Spurs game recently where the defence has been impenetrable. There were times with Vertonghen and Alderweireld in their prime I thought Spurs had the best defensive duo in the league. Outside that you have an academy player in Tanganga and a young Welsh lad who is finding his feet in a new league and trying to make the step up in Rodon. I guess Davies can play on the left in a back three if required.

Aurier has improved tbf, was a walking red card at one point, still question his defending, the Doherty acquisition I just dont understand, they should have gone all out for Aarons when Norwich got relegated. Reguillon is really good, but a loan so it is w/e, Davies is ok if uninspiring, solid LB, provides little going forward.
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suppose that makes sense. Doherty signing was strange, he's not a terrible player but wasn't a step up and they clearly werent happy with aurier, who now always plays. He seems to do that thing he did here as well where he plays sissoko who can do a job (think fellaini) when there are better players in ability or potential like ndombele, lo celso, Alli, Winks who dont get much gametime. Does he rotate players a lot as well?
 
Wittmann45 said:
Probably, especially in light of how bad Jose has been. But, even though they made the CL Final in 2019, their form after February of 2019 up to Poch's sacking during the 2019-20 season was almost relegation level form. Seriously, it is amazing they even finished fourth in 2018-19 in light of how they ended the season. Considering that time period was probably one of the few instances that Tottenham was considered in the mix for major silverware, it is more understandable that the club took decisive, yet incorrect, action. It was kind of similar to when Jol was sacked and replaced by Juande Ramos; good manager coming to Tottenham, setting expectations too high by initial success, heavy investment, failure to live up to expectations, and then sacked early into a new season and replaced by a more successful manager that is a total failure.
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Yeah that’s fair, but Pochettino had to fight for the CL too with a thin squad, and actually made it to the final. If they were going to replace him, which they shouldn’t have, Mourinho was the worst possible choice, especially for a club who proclaims to have a futuristic view.
 
I don't mind @balaks and other Spurs fans being optimistic about the future under Jose. Afterall, as a football fan you're always hopeful of better days, especially at a time they were at the top of the league.

They were warned by us, just like we were by a lot of Chelsea and RM fans, but one always feels "But you didn't have xyz" or "this squad is perfectly suited to Jose because of age/riches/whatever". Hell, I still remember this place being a clusterfeck when we sacked LVG and were about to sign Mou. While he did well in his 1st season, which silenced his doubters (including me), his management style along with the conservative attitude was bound to bite him back.

However, what I don't get is how can a United fan still have fond memories of him? The guy literally threw not just all the players and staff and everyone under the bus, but started questioning the legacy of what we have been. I think throughout the 2018/19 season when he was incharge, the news from the club was always gloomy, there was nothing positive coming out, every lineup selection was a message to Glazers and Woodward. And I'm just scratching the surface here. His ridiculous statements on the then youth team players would have been a kick in the teeth for any young player. The storming out of press conferences, going on rants, etc. is not what you want from anyone associated with the club. And if anyone thinks that winning an EL and a LC is a "Get out of jail free" card for all this shite that he pulled off, they need to possibly need to give a long hard rethink as to why they support the club
 
Feed Me said:
Mourinho is judged to a higher standard. You have people denigrating his past achievements which is mad. He simply became normal at some stage. It is funny when internet fans who are no marks in the grand scheme of things take this piss out of this serial winner.

That being said, I’m one of those no marks, and think it’s absolutely fecking hilarious, especially given how large the Spuds fans were giving it earlier in the season :D
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Hah! having it both ways, are we? Like a Mou post-match interview :lol:
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
I don't think this was a proper Mourinho meltdown, I'm not as entertained as I expected to be. In fact, you could say Lloris threw the players under the bus more than Jose did.

Usual deflection of his own setup aside, I'd even go as far as to say that Jose talked sense. Anyone who watched the game would agree that Spurs players looked complacent on the pitch -the goals conceded were because they defended half-heartedly, the passing was casual, the movement non-existent. It was a clear difference of attitude - couple of players aside, most of them were lethargic and had the wrong mentality till they were 2-0 down. Dinamo Zagreb came flying out of the blocks with belief and intent and it was classy of Jose to applaud the away dressing room. Lloris confirmed that the manager's instructions were to go get that away goal, and Jose threw every attacking player he had on the pitch, too. This is a rare moment when he's justified in questioning his team.

Lloris went one step further and called out the hypocrisy of the non-starters for talking the talk without walking the walk. He said the team wasn't pulling in the same direction as a squad, and that it shows. He was clearly calling out certain teammates for not playing for the badge.

That said, Jose is responsible for some of that toxic culture, of course. You can't alienate players like Alli and play favourites and expect intra-squad divisions to not occur. He is partly responsible for that attitude, himself.
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If anything, Jose appeared to go out of his way not to throw the players under the bus, almost like he's become conscious of that criticism and is trying to avoid it. It does seem despite the fact that he's clearly not capable of effectively motivating a team anymore, there are also some bad eggs in the dressing room; Lloris was very clearly referencing this. I can't help but wondering if some fingers are being pointed at Bale here...

As you say though, ultimately it is down to the manager. I've recently gone through a really toxic situation at work where individuals got really nasty and at the time it felt like they were the cause of the problems, but when I looked back in hindsight it was clear the leadership took the bulk of responsibly for not taking control and managing the situation. At the end of the day, we're seeing the same thing with Jose over and over again. This squad was prepared to die for Pocchetino, but it's clear they're not prepared to do the same for Mourinho. It's the same group of players, and you can't really get around that.
 
He will be gone in the summer, or after we get beat by City in the final. Hugo's interview after the match was pretty eye opening. Its not all on Jose IMO, some players have clearly been cnuts.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
Why would the Utd fans in those posts be hopeful that Joe Mourinho would be a success at Spurs? I wanted nothing but failure for him after the state he left the club in.

I was hopeful at the start, but I also never wanted or liked Mourinho even before he came to Utd and deep down I always knew he was the wrong man for this club. I supported him for a spell but he was going backwards and it was never so clear that he was past it as a manager. That's what I find so staggering about the comments from Utd fans saying he was still class and deserved more time.
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We all supported Jose when he began his tenure because that's what we do as football fans. Anyone suggesting otherwise is either lying or named @Wumminator - who apparently has the time to trudge back through a thread citing posts made by Spurs fans supporting their manager and United fans on the wind-up.

How very precious.
 
InLevyITrust said:
He will be gone in the summer, Hugo's interview after the match was pretty eye opening. Its not all on Jose IMO, some players have clearly been cnuts.
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Many said the same thing about Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Valencia, among others, when Jose publically called them out for poor performances or questioning their attitudes. It turns out Jose was full of shit, as, under Ole, we've not only seen vastly improved performances from the same squad Jose struggled to motivate, but they're far happier at the club.

Jose is the real virus. Cut him out asap and watch as the harmony within the squad returns to an acceptable level.
 
Random Task said:
Many said the same thing about Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Valencia, among others, when Jose publically called them out for poor performances or questioning their attitudes. It turns out Jose was full of shit, as, under Ole, we've not only seen vastly improved performances from the same squad Jose struggled to motivate, but they're far happier at the club.

Jose is the real virus. Cut him out asap and watch as the harmony within the squad returns to an acceptable level.
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I have been Jose out for a while, I was basing some players attitudes on what Hugo said, rarely have I seen such a damning interview post match.
 
balaks said:
Lloris spoke really well and he is one guy in there I know really cares. Clearly a lot of the players just don't give a shit and he was calling them out. None of them are Jose signed players I might add (in my opinion). Jose is only part of the problem here and the players need to take responsibility or feck off out in the summer.
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I think it's easier for a GK to "care" under Mou since your tasks are the same as with other managers. Its totally different for an outfield player who has to work his ass of in defense for 95 min each game. Specially if its a talanted group that likes to express themself in attack, train attacking play on the trainingground insted of only focusing on the mighty opponent and how to neutralize their strenghts.

They may be motivated the first year under Mou, but if you are not rewarded with wins and trophies, everybody under him will eventually crumble and lose their passion to work hard two times a week the whole year on the pitch.
 
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Random Task said:
Many said the same thing about Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Valencia, among others, when Jose publically called them out for poor performances or questioning their attitudes. It turns out Jose was full of shit, as, under Ole, we've not only seen vastly improved performances from the same squad Jose struggled to motivate, but they're far happier at the club.

Jose is the real virus. Cut him out asap and watch as the harmony within the squad returns to an acceptable level.
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Don't be harsh, Jose gifted his brain to Shaw. No wonder Shaw is playing so well.
 
balaks said:
Lloris spoke really well and he is one guy in there I know really cares. Clearly a lot of the players just don't give a shit and he was calling them out. None of them are Jose signed players I might add (in my opinion). Jose is only part of the problem here and the players need to take responsibility or feck off out in the summer.
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Roy Keane cared and spoke up. The rest is history.

Jose changed half the team. Basically, did not take the opponents seriously and psychologically the team went out with a mindset of not needing to apply themselves seriously. It's telling as soon as they go 3-0 down they started playing.

The fingers should also be pointed towards Jose and not just the players.
 
Sultan said:
Scapegoating the players is his speciality. I've always said he would be a superb politician. By superb I mean at twisting the truth. He now has an ally in the incompetent Lloris.
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Oh, I don't know about that. I thought there were a number of interesting elements to Lloris statement. Such as:


I think the team at the moment is just a reflection of what is going on at the club...We have a lack of basics and lack of fundamentals. All our performances are in relation to that.

But the blame is on us – all the team, all the club, we are guilty.

There's enough of those that you have to assume it's a conscious message from Lloris that the performance is in relation to wider issues at the club. Read as a whole, his take is markedly different from Mourinho's, which was that this was a failure of will, commitment and professionalism from players on the pitch. Lloris by contrast (though of course he also echoes Mourinho, if he didn't he would not be able to say anything at all) emphasises wider issues at the club, a lack of team unity, lack of fundamentals, the disruptive influence of players on the bench. Also, he emphasises that EVERYONE is responsible. Which includes Mourinho. And I didn't exactly get a clear sense from Jose's comments that he thinks he's among those to be blamed.

All of these things point to the sort of issues we've come to associate with Jose, and of course a lot of it has a jarringly familiar ring to it for a United fan. Particularly striking is the accusation that certain players aren't showing loyalty and support to the Manager's approach. Well, maybe loyalty and support is a two-way street.
 
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Gandalf Greyhame said:
I don't think this was a proper Mourinho meltdown, I'm not as entertained as I expected to be. In fact, you could say Lloris threw the players under the bus more than Jose did.

Usual deflection of his own setup aside, I'd even go as far as to say that Jose talked sense. Anyone who watched the game would agree that Spurs players looked complacent on the pitch -the goals conceded were because they defended half-heartedly, the passing was casual, the movement non-existent. It was a clear difference of attitude - couple of players aside, most of them were lethargic and had the wrong mentality till they were 2-0 down. Dinamo Zagreb came flying out of the blocks with belief and intent and it was classy of Jose to applaud the away dressing room. Lloris confirmed that the manager's instructions were to go get that away goal, and Jose threw every attacking player he had on the pitch, too. This is a rare moment when he's justified in questioning his team.

Lloris went one step further and called out the hypocrisy of the non-starters for talking the talk without walking the walk. He said the team wasn't pulling in the same direction as a squad, and that it shows. He was clearly calling out certain teammates for not playing for the badge.

That said, Jose is responsible for some of that toxic culture, of course. You can't alienate players like Alli and play favourites and expect intra-squad divisions to not occur. He is partly responsible for that attitude, himself.
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I don't see how Jose could have thrown the players under the bus any more than he did. He accused the team of lacking respect for the job, said he doesn't need anyone to criticise them because he's already so disappointed by them that he prefers not to say any more, apologised on their behalf to the fans while implying that some of them weren't nearly as disappointed as he was, and accused his players of lacking basic professionalism. It was a character assassination as bad as anything I've heard.
 
Wumminator said:
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Think RandomTask's post was a joke, I am 87,9% sure was a joke, rest, feel really sad for them. Reminds me of me at the start of Jose time at United. So optimistic. They have been warned. Did not believe us. Now they feel the pain. At least it took them less time to see it. Well, some of them.
 
Random Task said:
We all supported Jose when he began his tenure because that's what we do as football fans. Anyone suggesting otherwise is either lying or named @Wumminator - who apparently has the time to trudge back through a thread citing posts made by Spurs fans supporting their manager and United fans on the wind-up.

How very precious.
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Eh? :wenger:
 
Its reached the point where I want them to stabilise a little, just so Levy keeps faith with him and gives him a bit of budget to spunk on big contracts for older players with 18 months left in their legs. Last thing I want now is for Spurs to get some good up and coming manager and start buying wisely. Hopefully they'll grind a shit 0-0 penalty win over City, at which point Mourinho can proclaim how he's the goat again for doing so, then we'll have another year to enjoy his loveless marriage with Spurs as they sink to midtable.
 
I was a huge Jose-in supporter, even during his final days at United, but seeing him knocked out of Europe by Sevilla, Dynamo etc. is sad.

Think he'd be a great fit for Feyenoord, for some reason...
 
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