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Jose Mourinho Sack Watch | Sacked per 19-04
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Yeah when it comes to motivation and squad harmony there is noone better than SAF I think. He could get angry too though and was a bad loser as well.
This seemed an incredibly strange appointment from the start. I was amazed when they appointed Mourinho in all honesty.
Mourinho has certainly been a fantastic manager, but generally he has needed a fair bit of money to achieve success. Which is not a surprise, as Guardiola rightly pointed out, you do need a level of investment to compete and Mourinho is all about trophies and winning primarily.
But the issue is Spurs do not really spend much money. It seems to be a club and owner that would rather rely on more obscure signings that offer "value" and the odd youth product. They are not generally in the market for the same players as the top sides. Which means you have to have a manager suited to that environment, which is about improving players, squeezing blood from a stone, having a style that permits a degree of patience while the manager works to overachieve. Poch was their ideal manager, whereas Mourinho seems completely at odds with the situation.
Mourinho has certainly been a fantastic manager, but generally he has needed a fair bit of money to achieve success. Which is not a surprise, as Guardiola rightly pointed out, you do need a level of investment to compete and Mourinho is all about trophies and winning primarily.
But the issue is Spurs do not really spend much money. It seems to be a club and owner that would rather rely on more obscure signings that offer "value" and the odd youth product. They are not generally in the market for the same players as the top sides. Which means you have to have a manager suited to that environment, which is about improving players, squeezing blood from a stone, having a style that permits a degree of patience while the manager works to overachieve. Poch was their ideal manager, whereas Mourinho seems completely at odds with the situation.
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Why are you crying now?
I thought you "love him because he winds United fans so much".It looks bad atm but let's see what happens until May. If he manages to win Carabao cup and finish in top 4 (which seems unlikely even though they don't have too many difficult games until the end) or at least 5th (which would secure them a place in Europe next season) then it's kinda okay season. If City beats them in the final and they finish 6-7-8th then I wouldn't be suprised to see Jose sacked come the end of the season.
Why are you crying now?
Midfield and defence are their problem areas as you identified. Well that and just odd investments such as Bergwyn, they were crying out for a backup striker when they brought in Bergwyn. In fact Bergwyn ended up playing a game or two as striker because they literally had no one else. Then they bring in Bale for that same position, so now you have Lamela, Moura, Son, Bale and Bergwyn, how many wingers do Spurs need? I guess Bale will be going back to RM so there is that, at least now they have a backup to Kane in Vinicius.
Midfield and defence, average to bad. Hojbjerg has been good tbf, do not rate him as highly as Ndidi but he is the anchor for Spurs midfield. And as you mention they have some world class players up top in Son and Kane, although come the end of the season and no CL or trophies. Will see if either remain at Spurs. The midfield has been in decline since Modric left really, they had Dembele who in his own right was a gifted midfielder, but even he wasnt a patch on Modric. Now you have Ndombele, Sissoko, and Winks, none of whom are in the class of Dembele in his prime, let alone Modric.
The defence is an aging Alderweireld, who is probably the best CB they have, a converted DM in Dier and Davinson Sanchez, both Dier and Sanchez drift between ok to bad. I certainly cant say Ive seen a Spurs game recently where the defence has been impenetrable. There were times with Vertonghen and Alderweireld in their prime I thought Spurs had the best defensive duo in the league. Outside that you have an academy player in Tanganga and a young Welsh lad who is finding his feet in a new league and trying to make the step up in Rodon. I guess Davies can play on the left in a back three if required.
Aurier has improved tbf, was a walking red card at one point, still question his defending, the Doherty acquisition I just dont understand, they should have gone all out for Aarons when Norwich got relegated. Reguillon is really good, but a loan so it is w/e, Davies is ok if uninspiring, solid LB, provides little going forward.
He looks distraught which should be the case and tbh he does look like he thinks he's doing everything he can with that. But the question is 1) Why can't he motivate his team to run through a brick wall for him? 2) Why has his football not evolved at all over the years? And 3) why is his Spurs defence so average. That's the one thing he should excel at
This is why managers that relies too much on an underdog status will not burn out after a while. At some point you'll run out of teams that is able to have the siege mentality of an underdog. It last a few short years and players get burnt out by it.
His achievements at Porto was partly due to his luck. Inter was also lucky to have won the CL in that year.
In a knockout tournament, you just need a good amount of luck to win. The variables are so small at that level that teams pays massively for small mistakes.
At Chelsea he had the money to built the Man City of the 2000s. Winning is easy when your main rivals do not have the sheer financial advantage you do.
He's always overrated imo, particularly by Man Utd fans who seem to have this soft spot for him. He has a strong cult of personality, but that works as long as he can justify his tactics. Now that his tactics don't work as well most of the time, everything is falling apart for him.
It's not black and white though, players are not either motivated or unmotivated. You're playing against another 11 men that are also motivated. The best managers get an edge because they whip their players into a frenzy, and make them feel like they'd rather die than lose. Similarly, if the team is just a little bit unmotivated by their manager, it makes a big difference on the pitch. At this level, the margins in football are smaller than most believe, and even small differences in motivation are the margins between winning and losing. That's why managers keep or lose their jobs.
Hardly a surprise, he's an overdue manager and instead of reinventing himself he's to stubborn to change his ways which have proven to be not only unsuccessful but toxic in his last jobs.
I dont think he'll change, its only a manner of time before he's sacked again and I doubt he'll get another chance at a big club, maybe Inter but thats it. After that I dont see him coaching anymore, he doesn't seem the kind of coach that would take middle table teams.
I dont think he'll change, its only a manner of time before he's sacked again and I doubt he'll get another chance at a big club, maybe Inter but thats it. After that I dont see him coaching anymore, he doesn't seem the kind of coach that would take middle table teams.
I don’t really think you can describe two trebles as “luck”
Especially when it goes with multiple other league titles, domestic cups and other European trophies.
Agree with @Maluco.
He’s way past his best and hasn’t moved on or altered his methods. But pretending he was a lucky or average manager is very disingenuous. He was one of the best managers in the world for an entire decade between 2002 and 2012. Only Fergie and Pep matched his achievements during that period.
Fergie's genius was in his ability to reinvent himself and evolve with the times. Jose (+ to a lesser extent Wenger, Simeone) had a decade and the very top echelon but couldn't sustain it and eventually stagnated/regressed. Jose is not the same force he was 10 years ago. It doesn't render his achievements less impressive though
No football herritage? it's hard to win with bottlers you know...
He literally become the person who he mocked, even worse. Specialist of failure. Football heritage my arse. This is his heritage. Just reread his Sevilla heritage rant and makes my blood boil again
I'm glad I was never a fan who wanted him, never a fan who still mentions his name when asking if Ole is better or worse.
The guy never believes he is wrong and his players are in a different section to him.
Talking about how his pre match talk was about a bad attitude. Talking about his half time 0-0 talk was about Spurs bad attitude potential.
Utter crap.
Talking about how his pre match talk was about a bad attitude. Talking about his half time 0-0 talk was about Spurs bad attitude potential.
Utter crap.
And to think Daniel Levy wanted Jose. Unlike Ed, he's made good decisions in the past few years but this one will be a stinky one that is hard to keep or get rid of.
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How hard I'll laugh at some of his haters on here if he manages to win the league
The supposedly finished ex-manager who wasn't good enough wins the league with a team that didn't win anything in years and is known for their loser mentality ahead of record breaking teams like City & Liverpool. While the naysayers celebrating top 4 and trying to make new excuses for their beloved out of depth manager. It'll serve them just right.
He's already vindicated about Martial & Pogba.
Cmon Jose. If United aren't challenging by January, it's all on you to stop the scousers..again
He is top of the league, has the 2nd best attack in the league, the best defence in the league, unbeaten since matchday 1, has played several top6 rivals week in week out in the last weeks (weak run of opponents argument dismissed) and the first thing to do is raising doubts
Regardless on how Spurs end atm Mourinho is doing a fantastic job
If Pep, Klopp, Ole, Arteta or Lampard were doing this the media would be salivating (yes I know Klopp is doing the same but he also starts with the champion team)
Wenger at his worst kept Arsenal competitive. People forget that in the 9 years of trophy drought, he literally was selling a top player every season to keep the club financially stable, and once they paid off that debt, Arsenal did win a few cups.
Mou may have won more CLs than Wenger, but for me Wenger will always remain a better manager than Mou
Remember the time when Spurs were top of the league for a week and his fanboys here were declaring Jose will win the league?
This is now absolutely delicious
This is now absolutely delicious
He’s a Feckin embarrassment. I could not work with him without calling him out for being a gutless Cnut.
Whenever the team wins it’s because of him, whenever the team loses its on the players.
He slyly tries to include himself in the blame but then proceeds to talk for ages about how they didn’t listen to him (just blatantly distancing himself from any responsibility for the loss.)
It just gets worse and worse every season with him.
Whenever the team wins it’s because of him, whenever the team loses its on the players.
He slyly tries to include himself in the blame but then proceeds to talk for ages about how they didn’t listen to him (just blatantly distancing himself from any responsibility for the loss.)
It just gets worse and worse every season with him.
Now his team failed in life? feck me, the guy knows how to make his players feel shit while absolving himself
The Lloris interview is as damning as an interview can be to let everyone know of the dressing room atmosphere
He's such an insufferable scrote. Some of the players need to get out too for sure but I honestly hate watching his football now. There was an excitement to his Inter, Madrid, early Chelsea sides. Almost none now.
I missed the game yesterday due to work and have missed quite a few recently for similar but I honestly am not even sad anymore when I do miss the games.
I missed the game yesterday due to work and have missed quite a few recently for similar but I honestly am not even sad anymore when I do miss the games.
Honestly, this just makes you look pathetic.
Mourinho is judged to a higher standard. You have people denigrating his past achievements which is mad. He simply became normal at some stage. It is funny when internet fans who are no marks in the grand scheme of things take this piss out of this serial winner.
That being said, I’m one of those no marks, and think it’s absolutely fecking hilarious, especially given how large the Spuds fans were giving it earlier in the season
That being said, I’m one of those no marks, and think it’s absolutely fecking hilarious, especially given how large the Spuds fans were giving it earlier in the season
Remember at the start of the season when Harry Redknapp stated without irony, that Spurs will win the league...and fans backed him up...Remember the time when Spurs were top of the league for a week and his fanboys here were declaring Jose will win the league?
This is now absolutely delicious
Seems a long time ago now...
Are you fun at parties?
I don’t really think you can describe two trebles as “luck”
Especially when it goes with multiple other league titles, domestic cups and other European trophies.
And especially at Inter, where he took over a team that, while successful domestic, had consistently failed to get past the round of 16 in the CL. Even the team United knocked out in 2008-09 with Jose as manager was half the team he assembled and managed to the treble the next year.
Transfers were essential, especially the Zlatan transfer, but he built a team that was well drilled, was difficult to break down, and was willing to run through a wall for Jose. He also helped revived Sneijder's career, who was a bit of a failure at Real, and even built his team around either outcasts or relatively low-key signings like Lucio, Pandev and Thiago Motta.
Looking back, he was only "lucky" in that he had a couple key core players when he arrived at Inter, including Zanetti and Cambiasso, and they had a relatively settled defense, but he also built a great team at Inter and many of the key signings were made during his tenure. He rebuilt their entire front line, he got rid of a lot of deadwood and he set up his midfield to allow Sneijder to flourish.
He probably never should have left Inter in retrospect, but it is obviously difficult to turn down Real Madrid.
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Brilliant!
Wait till you find out about my tiny penis and crippling lack of social contact!
Delicious. Now this, this, is football errrrrrrritage.
That's petty as feck, but it's also brilliant!
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