Jose Mourinho Sack Watch | Sacked per 19-04

[slored1]

The tale of Mourinho at every club he's been in (last 10 years) is quite similar. Starts okay, sparks some joy into the club, installs the "winning culture" (whatever that means), instructs the players to start being cnuts and nasty and usually gets some initial wins.
He brings in a few experienced players, who have "been there, done that" and starts to not lose any home games.

In the end, he loses some games in the first season, ultimately leaves the club a bit underwhelmed but still gives fans some hope that it's starting to get better. Usually adds a Carabao Cup or a minor domestic trophy to the bank. There is an ocassional park-the-bus match away at other big teams, he ostracizes some big name players and never plays any youth prospects.

In the second season is where the fun usually starts. His team starts the season on fire, wins 7-8 games in a row, playing wonderful football and several players become world-class, the defence is rock solid, a player that no one rated before starts in every game (Fellaini, Mikel, Lass Diarra, Dier) and he starts a war in the media after every occassional slip or a boring performance. Fanbase is usually on his side, while a part of it is getting bored from his occasional needless defensive minded football. Some of his cultists join along to root for his team and along with the standard fanbase they start giving it to the fans of his previous clubs, how he's shutting them up, how wrong were they to sack him and all that nonsense.

Middle of the season the football starts to get real boring, the superstars are getting tired and some fringe players are getting battered as not being good enough after they play a bad game in some cups. No youth players are brought through, apart from one random guy who only plays because he's fast and/or tall. Crashes out of the Champions League against a poor team, gives a press conference where he batters several players at the end. There is already a split in the fanbase between those who like him and those who are on the fence. He wins a major trophy at the end of the season, everyone's happy.

Third season starts weirdly, he sells some solid players who just fell apart during his tenure and replaces them with some brutes and a Mendes client. In the preseason he complains about something, usually irrelevant in the grand scheme, but is already starting to show the negative signs. The season starts poorly, he loses some matches, criticises his best player in the media, cries about not getting enough money and again doesn't play the youth.

After three months it's already catastrophic, the best player is getting unhappy, the football is miserable, he's at war with journalists, the referees are mafia and the fans are more split than ever. If a bad game happens, he blames the players, if a good game happens, he is again the genious. The dressing room is lost, team spirals out of the CL places and he gets fired. In the end players get the blame, never Jose.

He goes on to make 5 good interviews after he loses the job, says how happy he is and how much he has learned. He gets a new job and repeats the cycle.

Really funny that Spurs have gotten all that in a single season. And without winning a trophy.

 

[Mindhunter]

He's such an insufferable scrote. Some of the players need to get out too for sure but I honestly hate watching his football now. There was an excitement to his Inter, Madrid, early Chelsea sides. Almost none now.

I missed the game yesterday due to work and have missed quite a few recently for similar but I honestly am not even sad anymore when I do miss the games.

I am waiting for the behind the scenes stories from the athletic once he does get sacked. It will be interesting to hear what the players back in the dressing room felt about his post match press conferences.

 

[sugar_kane]

The tale of Mourinho at every club he's been in (last 10 years) is quite similar. Starts okay, sparks some joy into the club, installs the "winning culture" (whatever that means), instructs the players to start being cnuts and nasty and usually gets some initial wins.
He brings in a few experienced players, who have "been there, done that" and starts to not lose any home games.

In the end, he loses some games in the first season, ultimately leaves the club a bit underwhelmed but still gives fans some hope that it's starting to get better. Usually adds a Carabao Cup or a minor domestic trophy to the bank. There is an ocassional park-the-bus match away at other big teams, he ostracizes some big name players and never plays any youth prospects.

In the second season is where the fun usually starts. His team starts the season on fire, wins 7-8 games in a row, playing wonderful football and several players become world-class, the defence is rock solid, a player that no one rated before starts in every game (Fellaini, Mikel, Lass Diarra, Dier) and he starts a war in the media after every occassional slip or a boring performance. Fanbase is usually on his side, while a part of it is getting bored from his occasional needless defensive minded football. Some of his cultists join along to root for his team and along with the standard fanbase they start giving it to the fans of his previous clubs, how he's shutting them up, how wrong were they to sack him and all that nonsense.

Middle of the season the football starts to get real boring, the superstars are getting tired and some fringe players are getting battered as not being good enough after they play a bad game in some cups. No youth players are brought through, apart from one random guy who only plays because he's fast and/or tall. Crashes out of the Champions League against a poor team, gives a press conference where he batters several players at the end. There is already a split in the fanbase between those who like him and those who are on the fence. He wins a major trophy at the end of the season, everyone's happy.

Third season starts weirdly, he sells some solid players who just fell apart during his tenure and replaces them with some brutes and a Mendes client. In the preseason he complains about something, usually irrelevant in the grand scheme, but is already starting to show the negative signs. The season starts poorly, he loses some matches, criticises his best player in the media, cries about not getting enough money and again doesn't play the youth.

After three months it's already catastrophic, the best player is getting unhappy, the football is miserable, he's at war with journalists, the referees are mafia and the fans are more split than ever. If a bad game happens, he blames the players, if a good game happens, he is again the genious. The dressing room is lost, team spirals out of the CL places and he gets fired. In the end players get the blame, never Jose.

He goes to make 5 good interviews after he loses the job, says how happy he is and how much he has learned. He gets a new job and repeats the cycle.

Really funny that Spurs have gotten all that in a single season. And without winning a trophy.

The most cringeworthy bit of All or Nothing was watching some of the players play up to being cnuts when they clearly didn't have it in them to be the nasty bastards Mourinho wanted (and to be fair, a type of player that probably hasn't existed in the top flight in any significant way for about 15 years)

The Lloris and Son fight springs to mind, like they were making a show for the teacher.

 

[ash_86]

Can't believe i backed him until just a month before he was sacked. his managerial career is probably dead.

 

[sugar_kane]

I am waiting for the behind the scenes stories from the athletic once he does get sacked. It will be interesting to hear what the players back in the dressing room felt about his post match press conferences.

Don't get your hopes up, footballers don't really do that sort of thing until they're retired and the autobiography deal gets sorted.

From memory I think the furthest our players went about Mourinho was the odd sly dig from Rashford (about Ole understanding players as he's been a professional footballer himself) and maybe a couple of others.

 

[Hoof the ball]

I hate it when people try to play down his prior success as luck. He was an innovator and excellent at what he did.

What was he the innovator of?

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

What was he the innovator of?

I do think up until Mourinho came to Chelsea there tended to be an idea you could start the season slowly and build yourself up throughout the season and really click into gear after Christmas.

But then after Mourinho turned up it became clear you had to hit the ground running immediately and be on it from day one.

That's not really innovation though but it's something I suppose.

 

[RedDevilzFox]

He will end up at a club like West Ham soon enough. Probably be a good fit there too. They don't mind garbage hoofball football and have zero expectations and his underdog status and "world against us" suits him well.

 

[Pep's Suit]

Can Spurs afford to fire him? Wouldn't surprise me if he starts another season there. However both them and Arsenal are now teams stucked between 6th to 10th position so it's a bit ridiculous if their boards accept this.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Mourinho’s season so far

Here to help guy does exactly what is says on his jacket. Good guy.

 

[Hoof the ball]

I do think up until Mourinho came to Chelsea there tended to be an idea you could start the season slowly and build yourself up throughout the season and really click into gear after Christmas.

But then after Mourinho turned up it became clear you had to hit the ground running immediately and be on it from day one.

That's not really innovation though but it's something I suppose.

I understand what you mean, but I can't concede that this is unique to Mourinho; not with all the elite coaches that existed before him. I mean, the chances that Sacchi, Capello, Rinus Michels, Cruyff, Sir Alex, Trappattoni, Scolari, Del Bosque, Heynckes, Wenger, Ottmar Hitzfeld, Ancelotti, Lippi, etc, all lacked this one virtue that Mourinho had is probably unlikely, with great respect to Mourinho, of course.

Even stylistically, Mourinho isn't unique. His soak it up and win approach is re-worked, or even outright Catenaccio, which is an Italian innovation used for over two decades before Jose adapted it.

 

[Random Task]

Eh?

Are we not supposed to support the current manager of our club, then?

 

[Adisa]

He will be gone in the summer, or after we get beat by City in the final. Hugo's interview after the match was pretty eye opening. Its not all on Jose IMO, some players have clearly been cnuts.

In every team, you will find cnuts. The problem is that this always happens to Jose and he simply doesn't have the character trait to manage these situations. They always spiral out of control. At times, he's the one instigating these divisions. This is a manager that called his best player and one of the most popular players in the dressing room a virus. He didn't even do it privately, he did it in public.
His biggest flaws are tactical but his character doesn't give him a chance at this level.

Probably, especially in light of how bad Jose has been. But, even though they made the CL Final in 2019, their form after February of 2019 up to Poch's sacking during the 2019-20 season was almost relegation level form. Seriously, it is amazing they even finished fourth in 2018-19 in light of how they ended the season. Considering that time period was probably one of the few instances that Tottenham was considered in the mix for major silverware, it is more understandable that the club took decisive, yet incorrect, action. It was kind of similar to when Jol was sacked and replaced by Juande Ramos; good manager coming to Tottenham, setting expectations too high by initial success, heavy investment, failure to live up to expectations, and then sacked early into a new season and replaced by a more successful manager that is a total failure.

Pochettino should have been given the opportunity to rebuild. He more than earned it. He had the backing of the players and fans. Trying to do it with a manager the fan already distrust, a manager that plays negative football and an abrasive character like Mourinho was always going to end in tears.

Can Spurs afford to fire him? Wouldn't surprise me if he starts another season there. However both them and Arsenal are now teams stucked between 6th to 10th position so it's a bit ridiculous if their boards accept this.

They have no choice but to fire him. They can't afford to let him go into the new season or he would ruin that as well. They will sack him.

 

[Lee565]

The tale of Mourinho at every club he's been in (last 10 years) is quite similar. Starts okay, sparks some joy into the club, installs the "winning culture" (whatever that means), instructs the players to start being cnuts and nasty and usually gets some initial wins.
He brings in a few experienced players, who have "been there, done that" and starts to not lose any home games.

In the end, he loses some games in the first season, ultimately leaves the club a bit underwhelmed but still gives fans some hope that it's starting to get better. Usually adds a Carabao Cup or a minor domestic trophy to the bank. There is an ocassional park-the-bus match away at other big teams, he ostracizes some big name players and never plays any youth prospects.

In the second season is where the fun usually starts. His team starts the season on fire, wins 7-8 games in a row, playing wonderful football and several players become world-class, the defence is rock solid, a player that no one rated before starts in every game (Fellaini, Mikel, Lass Diarra, Dier) and he starts a war in the media after every occassional slip or a boring performance. Fanbase is usually on his side, while a part of it is getting bored from his occasional needless defensive minded football. Some of his cultists join along to root for his team and along with the standard fanbase they start giving it to the fans of his previous clubs, how he's shutting them up, how wrong were they to sack him and all that nonsense.

Middle of the season the football starts to get real boring, the superstars are getting tired and some fringe players are getting battered as not being good enough after they play a bad game in some cups. No youth players are brought through, apart from one random guy who only plays because he's fast and/or tall. Crashes out of the Champions League against a poor team, gives a press conference where he batters several players at the end. There is already a split in the fanbase between those who like him and those who are on the fence. He wins a major trophy at the end of the season, everyone's happy.

Third season starts weirdly, he sells some solid players who just fell apart during his tenure and replaces them with some brutes and a Mendes client. In the preseason he complains about something, usually irrelevant in the grand scheme, but is already starting to show the negative signs. The season starts poorly, he loses some matches, criticises his best player in the media, cries about not getting enough money and again doesn't play the youth.

After three months it's already catastrophic, the best player is getting unhappy, the football is miserable, he's at war with journalists, the referees are mafia and the fans are more split than ever. If a bad game happens, he blames the players, if a good game happens, he is again the genious. The dressing room is lost, team spirals out of the CL places and he gets fired. In the end players get the blame, never Jose.

He goes on to make 5 good interviews after he loses the job, says how happy he is and how much he has learned. He gets a new job and repeats the cycle.

Really funny that Spurs have gotten all that in a single season. And without winning a trophy.

He's actually having less and less of an effect with each passing club, won the title with Chelsea in the second season then went completely off the rails, managed a Europa league trophy and league which are both the lesser trophies to the other domestic and European competitions, didn't achieve much in the second season and had a bad champions league run followed by going off the rails again and with spurs he has done absolutely nothing of note and will probably go off the rails next season if he stays.

 

[Yagami]

Some classic posts from @balaks @InLevyITrust & glaston. Best part was them acting like our legitimate criticisms of his management style was us being bitter.

 

[Adisa]

Don't even think a fluky win against City can save him. He destroys clubs, he's poison.

 

[balaks]

Some classic posts from @balaks @InLevyITrust & glaston. Best part was them acting like our legitimate criticisms of his management style was us being bitter.

You most certainly are bitter.

 

[Camara]

I think you didn't notice that I wrote the word atm
And yes, my commentary is still correct, regardless on how spurs end this season, at that moment Mou was doing a great job

 

[George the Cat]

I would take any criticism from Arse fans with a pinch of salt, obviously he’s at their bitter rivals but they despise him anyway for his ‘specialist in failure’ comment. Arse fan at work is obsessed with him, it’s all down to that quote and also him helping Chelsea supplant Arse as London’s most successful club nowadays.
He seems to have lost it though, although you could have said the same about Wenger.....

 

[Ludens the Red]

And especially at Inter, where he took over a team that, while successful domestic, had consistently failed to get past the round of 16 in the CL. Even the team United knocked out in 2008-09 with Jose as manager was half the team he assembled and managed to the treble the next year.

Transfers were essential, especially the Zlatan transfer, but he built a team that was well drilled, was difficult to break down, and was willing to run through a wall for Jose. He also helped revived Sneijder's career, who was a bit of a failure at Real, and even built his team around either outcasts or relatively low-key signings like Lucio, Pandev and Thiago Motta.

Looking back, he was only "lucky" in that he had a couple key core players when he arrived at Inter, including Zanetti and Cambiasso, and they had a relatively settled defense, but he also built a great team at Inter and many of the key signings were made during his tenure. He rebuilt their entire front line, he got rid of a lot of deadwood and he set up his midfield to allow Sneijder to flourish.

He probably never should have left Inter in retrospect, but it is obviously difficult to turn down Real Madrid.

Aye, the job he did at Inter in such a short time was phenomenal. The drop off as soon as he left was quite something too.
Their CL win was impressive too. Dispatching of Chelsea, Barcelona and Bayern. A very under rated side.

 

[alexthelion]

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

You most certainly are bitter.

Were Utd fans wrong in telling you Mourinho was a terrible appointment by Levy ?

 

[romufc]

You most certainly are bitter.

Bitter about what?

He hasn't gone to Spurs and won load of trophies?

If you think we are bitter, have him till end of next season and lets see your reaction then.

I am most certainly happy with Jose at Spurs, I hope he stays there for a long time.

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

What was he the innovator of?

To be fair he's the one who brought the 4-3-3 to the PL and also successfully schemed an interesting approach in Madrid to get the most out of Ronaldo, Di Maria, and Ozil. Since then though you're right that he's well behind tactically.

 

[Judas]

On course for the quickest Jose meltdown and exit I think. With the high point being when they were 3 up against West Ham and were going to win the league?

 

[Flexdegea]

You most certainly are bitter.

This bitter stuff is ridiculous,


No one is bitter they want him to stay for a long time.


Don't think people telling you the truth about Jose is being bitter. We got more experience on this subject remember

 

[Shane88]

Duncan Castles right now...

 

[Judas]

I think any bitterness from Jose, which there was plenty of at one point, has been long since replaced with laughter. We're in a much better place now. We're happier, we've moved on.

 

[Withnail]

The Lloris interview is as damning as an interview can be to let everyone know of the dressing room atmosphere

Yeah definitely sounds like there's division on the dressing room and he mentioned something about to be successful everyone has to follow the manager's instructions which suggested to me that Jose has lost some of them at least.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

The tale of Mourinho at every club he's been in (last 10 years) is quite similar. Starts okay, sparks some joy into the club, installs the "winning culture" (whatever that means), instructs the players to start being cnuts and nasty and usually gets some initial wins.
He brings in a few experienced players, who have "been there, done that" and starts to not lose any home games.

In the end, he loses some games in the first season, ultimately leaves the club a bit underwhelmed but still gives fans some hope that it's starting to get better. Usually adds a Carabao Cup or a minor domestic trophy to the bank. There is an ocassional park-the-bus match away at other big teams, he ostracizes some big name players and never plays any youth prospects.

In the second season is where the fun usually starts. His team starts the season on fire, wins 7-8 games in a row, playing wonderful football and several players become world-class, the defence is rock solid, a player that no one rated before starts in every game (Fellaini, Mikel, Lass Diarra, Dier) and he starts a war in the media after every occassional slip or a boring performance. Fanbase is usually on his side, while a part of it is getting bored from his occasional needless defensive minded football. Some of his cultists join along to root for his team and along with the standard fanbase they start giving it to the fans of his previous clubs, how he's shutting them up, how wrong were they to sack him and all that nonsense.

Middle of the season the football starts to get real boring, the superstars are getting tired and some fringe players are getting battered as not being good enough after they play a bad game in some cups. No youth players are brought through, apart from one random guy who only plays because he's fast and/or tall. Crashes out of the Champions League against a poor team, gives a press conference where he batters several players at the end. There is already a split in the fanbase between those who like him and those who are on the fence. He wins a major trophy at the end of the season, everyone's happy.

Third season starts weirdly, he sells some solid players who just fell apart during his tenure and replaces them with some brutes and a Mendes client. In the preseason he complains about something, usually irrelevant in the grand scheme, but is already starting to show the negative signs. The season starts poorly, he loses some matches, criticises his best player in the media, cries about not getting enough money and again doesn't play the youth.

After three months it's already catastrophic, the best player is getting unhappy, the football is miserable, he's at war with journalists, the referees are mafia and the fans are more split than ever. If a bad game happens, he blames the players, if a good game happens, he is again the genious. The dressing room is lost, team spirals out of the CL places and he gets fired. In the end players get the blame, never Jose.

He goes on to make 5 good interviews after he loses the job, says how happy he is and how much he has learned. He gets a new job and repeats the cycle.

Really funny that Spurs have gotten all that in a single season. And without winning a trophy.

That's about as accurate a description of Mourinho in recent times as anyone has been able to articulate.

 

[Withnail]

The tale of Mourinho at every club he's been in (last 10 years) is quite similar. Starts okay, sparks some joy into the club, installs the "winning culture" (whatever that means), instructs the players to start being cnuts and nasty and usually gets some initial wins.
He brings in a few experienced players, who have "been there, done that" and starts to not lose any home games.

In the end, he loses some games in the first season, ultimately leaves the club a bit underwhelmed but still gives fans some hope that it's starting to get better. Usually adds a Carabao Cup or a minor domestic trophy to the bank. There is an ocassional park-the-bus match away at other big teams, he ostracizes some big name players and never plays any youth prospects.

In the second season is where the fun usually starts. His team starts the season on fire, wins 7-8 games in a row, playing wonderful football and several players become world-class, the defence is rock solid, a player that no one rated before starts in every game (Fellaini, Mikel, Lass Diarra, Dier) and he starts a war in the media after every occassional slip or a boring performance. Fanbase is usually on his side, while a part of it is getting bored from his occasional needless defensive minded football. Some of his cultists join along to root for his team and along with the standard fanbase they start giving it to the fans of his previous clubs, how he's shutting them up, how wrong were they to sack him and all that nonsense.

Middle of the season the football starts to get real boring, the superstars are getting tired and some fringe players are getting battered as not being good enough after they play a bad game in some cups. No youth players are brought through, apart from one random guy who only plays because he's fast and/or tall. Crashes out of the Champions League against a poor team, gives a press conference where he batters several players at the end. There is already a split in the fanbase between those who like him and those who are on the fence. He wins a major trophy at the end of the season, everyone's happy.

Third season starts weirdly, he sells some solid players who just fell apart during his tenure and replaces them with some brutes and a Mendes client. In the preseason he complains about something, usually irrelevant in the grand scheme, but is already starting to show the negative signs. The season starts poorly, he loses some matches, criticises his best player in the media, cries about not getting enough money and again doesn't play the youth.

After three months it's already catastrophic, the best player is getting unhappy, the football is miserable, he's at war with journalists, the referees are mafia and the fans are more split than ever. If a bad game happens, he blames the players, if a good game happens, he is again the genious. The dressing room is lost, team spirals out of the CL places and he gets fired. In the end players get the blame, never Jose.

He goes on to make 5 good interviews after he loses the job, says how happy he is and how much he has learned. He gets a new job and repeats the cycle.

Really funny that Spurs have gotten all that in a single season. And without winning a trophy.

What a killer final line.

Great post

 

[FootballHQ]

On course for the quickest Jose meltdown and exit I think. With the high point being when they were 3 up against West Ham and were going to win the league?

Interesting looking at their results since then. Their performances were pretty good up to that point, proper throwing caution to the window performances scoring 5 at Southampton, 6 at Old Trafford and also battering Newcastle but only drawing 1-1.

He treated the freak last 10 minutes v West Ham as an insult to his dignity and since then Spurs have largely scraped by in majority of games they've played, next two games were 1-0 wins v Burnley and West Brom in scoring late.

Man. City at home is probably only game in last 6 months where they've played well and actually shown attacking intent v another top half team.

 

[Grinner]

It's a shame that in the time he spent working for Sir Bobby Robson he didn't learn the value of humility and decency as a manager.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

That must explain your deep insecurity and hatred towards our most successful manager post SAF.

Of course it's brilliant. When was the last time we won a trophy? Oh wait.

It's okay I understand you need to live up to your persona you built up online so you need to have this agenda towards a man who doesn't know your existence to make yourself look "omg im so cool" on the internet. Actually I'm not a Jose Mourinho fan even though I am defending him. The fact speaks for itself, he is our most successful manager post SAF. Thank you for your compliment.

You are entitled to your opinion but if you think Ole's style is entertaining, then I have a bridge to sell you!
At the end of the day, trophies are what counts towards the legacy of a club and manager.

This guy is seething
The only thing more hillarious than watching Mourinho embarass himself and fail is watching his fanboys logging onto an online forum defending him with bitterness and vituperation, struggling to fight away anger and tears

 

[awop]

So at least 30M to sack him or let him burn the club down a little bit more. Lose-lose situation for Levy. Love it.
They really should take the hit and hope Kane/Son haven't had enough this summer.

 

[Maluco]

What was he the innovator of?

Listen to people like John Terry speak about him. He isn’t fashionable anymore and is becoming a figure of fun, but he raised the expected standard all around. He demanded a level of professionalism that most clubs in the league have today.

Terry talks about how shocked they were when he had the footballs out on the first day of pre-season.

He was as influential as anyone in moving away from old behaviors and outdated methods as anyone. That’s what makes his situation now so ironic. He has become the dinosaur that he helped flush out of the game.

 

[SAFMUTD]

One thing I noticed is how many times he repeated and emphasized "MY team" he is taking part of the blame there, at least he didnt run a shitshow conference like with us against Sevilla. But after seeing Hugo Lloris interview you can see that squad has serious internal issues, I just dont see Mourinho turning this one around. Players have lowered their guns and it will just get worst at this point. Probably will be sacked until the end of the season.

 

[NinjaZombie]

I'd like to add that Dele, Dier, Winks, Aurier and Sissoko can feck away off also.

I went through something similar during Jose's last days at United. I actively disliked a few of the players who were playing for the club. It happened slowly, but once I started having negative thoughts about Antonio Valencia, (a top guy who got rid of his agent after securing a move to United, saying he'd no use for him now that he's at United), I started questioning what Jose Mourinho was doing to Manchester United.

 

[Mindhunter]

Don't get your hopes up, footballers don't really do that sort of thing until they're retired and the autobiography deal gets sorted.

From memory I think the furthest our players went about Mourinho was the odd sly dig from Rashford (about Ole understanding players as he's been a professional footballer himself) and maybe a couple of others.

True, they won’t do it openly but some of our players and training ground staff did share titbits to the press off the record that helped paint the picture of how dysfunctional and dire the situation was towards the end of his rein. I know it’s all all schadenfreude at my end but I am enjoying it.

 

[berbatrick]

What was he the innovator of?

Arsenal and united played 442 or 4411, he played a diamond or 433, dominated the midfield, and dominated the league.

Used a 4231 to attack and score 3 past barca, used the same for the best bus parking ever, and used it again for a frightening counter-attacking team that outscored peak barca over a season. (Then got addicted to it and hasn't deviated from it at Chelsea or united or spurs)