Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[kouroux]

Again. Jose would never risk a rout. That kind of comes with his CV. How many 5-0 losses did he have to endure in his career?

So yeah, he's been a big pussy tonight.

I don't think we played cowardly though. No-one who intends to play cowardly reverts from 3 at the back to two and plays a midfield two against the best midfield in the league. We were just shite, there's a difference. Without Pogba we are shit, we constantly lose the midfield battle and when you can't control the midfield against top teams, you are going to get fecked.

I think the intent was there, jugding from the low line. It was about letting them have the ball as much as possible and have our backline hoof it up as much as possible, without giving the possibility of building from the back any sort of chance. The best we could have gotten from that mindset is a draw and it still wouldn't have been enough.

 

[Kush]

As expected people are going mental in here, said it couple of hours ago that folks who are happy with the lineup will be the ones tearing into him later.

I don’t think we as a team are ready to win big prizes yet, lack of composure is something a manager can’t help with. Against Arsenal we pressed from the front and got a 2 goal lead, rest of the time we made one shit clearances after another and seemed incapable of stringing two passes together.

Ditto again today, if you know your players can’t cope against press then wouldn’t bypassing that and going direct be the logical choice? That’s what he did today but we seem incapable of winning 2nd ball too which serves up the shite we saw today.

People will whine about how he doesn’t let our attackers have a go, but they had 30 mins today to do that as City shut up shop and played without any CF during that period. Were they able to do anything? Any time they were pressed, ball was passed backwards or hoofed up top, even players like Martial and Rashford couldn’t take on players. Not everything can be copped onto the manager, players have to shoulder the blame too.

 

[NextSeason]

Hard to blame Jose for the bad luck and refereeing decisions against us today, but that hoof tactic in the first half was completely unacceptable. It seemed that Rojo and Smalling were instructed by Jose to keep hoofing that long ball.

Bollocks. Rojo was hooked at half-time for repeatedly doing this.

 

[Mindhunter]

We'll we do blow them out of the water with our spending. Our goal should be compare to City not Arsenal, surely.

Why is it about who spent what? Anybody can defeat anybody in a one-off match, isn't it? They are coming at the back of a record-breaking form and were always favourites. Not sure why this is hard to digest.

If anything, both their goals were extremely lucky (so was ours to be fair).

 

[Catt]

Negative tactics. Players unable to play when pressed; looked completely lost. Star signing handed them the match. A complete disaster for Mourinho.

Is Mourinho really the right fit for United then?

 

[DWelbz19]

And he compounds today's nonsense with the suggestion that Herrera's clear dive was a penalty. Predictably, it's the referee's fault.

Clown.

He's been banned for this?

 

[Womp]

We'll we do blow them out of the water with our spending. Our goal should be compare to City not Arsenal, surely.

We've also been far behind those said teams for years, so the excessive spending is understandable. Even after all that spending, Spurs still have a better squad than us, probably in just about every position. Arsenal are better than us everywhere except defence (if Pogba is out)

It's gutting that the league is done, but we are having a very good season. We just can't win feck all without Pogba. We look a completely different team with him in the side, he completes the midfield and is the player who can initiate transitions, we don't have another midfielder to do that. Herrera and Matic both aren't comfortable retaining the ball when pressed, Pogba is.

The fact that City scored two absolute shambolic goals doesn't make things any better. Their possession is skewed as for the most part it was pointless and wasn't threatening at all. Their two goals came from absolute laughable defending from Lukaku. They've also managed to play all the top teams for the most part without their best players now. Everything is going their way this season, a common trait of soon to be champions.

All we can do is focus on ourselves, it was always going to be difficult to beat a team that hasn't lost all season, there are still places we can improve both in the squad and in the manager. We just have to continue focusing on improving ourselves.

 

[acnumber9]

You’re not the only one to say this but I think it’s a gross exaggeration. Van Gaal and his reign was no where near as bad as people make out, including the squad left behind. Beside Mourinho has had three windows now. It’s safe to assume this way of ‘setting up’ in big games is how he does things regardless of what players he has.

It was horrendous. Only Martial from Van Gaal's reign can consider themselves part of our first team. Every other single player of any use was here before him or signed after him and we couldn't score in a brothel. We were behind a worse City team then too.

 

[AshRK]

Jose as usual becomes the easy target. I know Pep is like a GOD for many here and today would not be the best day to say this but his team are one lucky b*tches. Always gets all the 50/50 decisions, and its funny how he moaned at Redmond and co for time wasting and today his team did the same for most of the second half.

We lost today to ourselves and not to a Barca esque side.. I have seen much better team come here and play better football and sorry if this hurts Pep lovers today we lost because of our foolishness and not some masterclass by an opponent team.

 

[Viral United]

He bought the right players (although I would've preferred Morata). Lukaku will snap out of his funk soon and we will be back in business. The league is obviously off the table.

I am not against players, yes his signing are good.
My point is he has enough money to spend, he has to adjust his play according to player he has.

 

[Mindhunter]

So yeah, he's been a big pussy tonight.

I don't like our once small time rivals bullying us at home. However, attacking them today would have been bringing a knife to a gunfight. That would have been worse.

 

[shaky]

I don't get what you're trying to achieve here, mate. What does the points in 2017 have to do with 2012-2016? I get bottom half teams trying to reach the 40 points mark but what is this? It's 2017 and the fact is that we are 11 points behind in December.

The fact is that City had won every single game bar one this season, and it's almost Christmas. Even a peak Fergie team would be struggling to keep up with that sort of pace. We are the best of the rest as it stands, and that's something to be pretty pleased with given our last few seasons.

 

[Bojan11]

He's been banned for this?

No he’s been banned for behaving like a tit in various threads.

 

[notcool]

Which we would have lost without Dave. I care about titles, and we are 11 points behind. So something is going wrong

But you said that he should change his philosophy. I suppose you want him to go more defensive so Dave wouldn't have had to make those saves?

 

[Bruno Marques]

Nice, this thread is alive again. All those that were lurking in the shadows can step again in the spotlight and have a contest like "who can say the worst thing about mourinho".

You can use variations of defensive tactic, hoof ball and so.

 

[DWelbz19]

No he’s been banned for behaving like a tit in various threads.

A little colorful but there's nothing actively wrong in what he's saying. Banned for being critical against Mourinho? Fair enough.

 

[Ninja7Red]

Is Mourinho really the right fit for United then?

Well Peter Bosz was fired at Dortmund today. Fancy some Caf members would have a poet here then?

 

[JustinC00]

35 points after 16 games. Not near as disastrous as some of you would believe.

Last 5 years 35 points through 16 games would have us no less than 5 points from 1st

16/17- 5 points off
15/16- 1st by 2 points
14/15- 4 points off
13/14- 1st by GD
12/13- 4 points off

 

[kouroux]

I don't like our once small time rivals bullying us at home. However, attacking them today would have been bringing a knife to a gunfight. That would have been worse.

We will never know if we don't try. That's my main gripe, we're not going to change this tired formula of his once in a while. Sure there aren't guarantees and we're all speculating/venting at this point but this feels like so expected.

 

[Fracture90]

Don’t see how today is anything close to Jose’s fault.

If Lukaku clears that ball into the box, City don’t score. If Lukaku doesn’t kick the ball square into Ederson’s face, we win 2-1.

Anyone suggesting we lost today because of Jose deserves everything you get aftr he leaves.

That's why teams have goalkeepers you know, to stop what they can, much like DDG was doing for the most of this season so far today included.

Remind me again how it was that we scored? Was it due to some mistake made by City defenders or was it some nicely executed attack setup?

 

[Ban]

A little colorful but there's nothing actively wrong in what he's saying. Banned for being critical against Mourinho? Fair enough.

Maybe it accumulated. He called him a clown. I don't know.

 

[Snowjoe]

A little colorful but there's nothing actively wrong in what he's saying. Banned for being critical against Mourinho? Fair enough.

That’s not why he’s been banned and he’s back in a couple of days.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Not sure why our fans cant see this.

Guardiola inherited better players, spent more and we played without our most expensive ever player.

Not sure what else Mourinho could do.

Agreed. They're ahead of us at the moment.

That's not defeatist, that's just seeing things as they are. I had hopes of winning the league this season before Pogba got sent off. I'm not a defeatist. Besides, even if I was, I can hardly influence how the football club is ran, can I?

 

[finneh]

Don’t see how today is anything close to Jose’s fault.

If Lukaku clears that ball into the box, City don’t score. If Lukaku doesn’t kick the ball square into Ederson’s face, we win 2-1.

Anyone suggesting we lost today because of Jose deserves everything you get aftr he leaves.

Absolutely. Against any very good team if you make two simple defensive errors and miss a sitter you're walking anyway point-less.

It's fine margins that are the difference and the margins went City's way today.

Mourinho's worst decision was bringing Zlatan on for Lingard instead if Lukaku.

 

[Son Of Sam]

not if you are composed

not sure how you blame that on Mourinho though - it's a bad day for Lukaku - simple as that

I didn’t blame it on Jose.....I blamed it on Lukaku.

 

[Womp]

Don't get me wrong, but he has enough money to spend on player.
But he choose to spend how of that money on 2 players, if something is not working he has to find solution, buying player is not always solution.

How do you know he had enough to spend on players? If we had as much money as you suggest, we wouldn't have been niggling over a few million euros for Perisic. (Who btw is absolutely tearing Serie A apart). Also yes, buying isn't always teh solution, but players have attributes, things they can and can't do. Herrera and Matic are very similar players, Matic is just better at it. When you put two holding midfielders together, none of which are comfortable when pressed, none of which can run with the ball or make offensive passes into the channels, you're going to get a stale midfield. A stale midfield against a top team is going to be punishing. Jose could have and should have done better this game, but I think Pogba genuinely had his hands tied.

 

[notcool]

So yeah instead of losing 0-5 we lost 1-2, this the mentality of small teams. If you're going to attack your city rival at home then it's a sign you're a pussy, not a pragmatic genius.

Conceding goals doesn't help you to win games.

 

[dichinero]

You claimed being 11 points behind is a disastrous performance from us in the league, reality is City's form this year is just far and above what normally wins the league.

11 points behind in December has never been a good thing as far back as I can remember. How you've managed to reconcile that to us being first in 2015 is quite amazing. I respect your opinion but I'm not just seeing it

 

[Hawks2008]

He's been banned for this?

Agendas against our glorious and flawless leader will not be tolerated

 

[RedMilo]

So much not to like about today, the manager has to take the blame. His team selection wasn't too bad but starting Martial on the right was bizarre. Sat off them in the first half which didn't suit the players on the pitch. Long ball hoof tactics feck me right off. The club have backed him all the way with money but this is becoming poor. His loyalty to Lukaku is really frustrating as well, has to drop him after that performance. Excuses and moans about penalty not given are in bad taste. I have lost all patience with this guy.

 

[Womp]

That's why teams have goalkeepers you know, to stop what they can, much like DDG was doing for the most of this season so far today included.

Remind me again how it was that we scored? Was it due to some mistake made by City defenders or was it some nicely executed attack setup?

All goals are scored from mistakes by defenders. There's general mistakes than there's Lukaku choosing to smash the ball into a crowd of City players instead of clearing it literally any other direction. You can't gift two goals as comically as we did, especially when we're handicapped, playing our second string defence and without Pogba against the best team in the league and expect to get anything out of the game.

They weren't looking threatening at all, both their goals were from terrible clearances by Lukaku. He just looked starstruck, the game was too big for him.

 

[Gbenger]

I won't blame him completely for today result. It's far too shortsighted. Pogba and Fellani were definitely a very big miss and our long balls weren't effective due to their absence.

Lukaku is a bit of a scapegoat here. Don't be fooled by his size; he is nothing special in the air. Don't let his appearance of being strong confuse you either; It's useless on the pitch most of the time due to his overall lack of technical ability.

What I would blame Mourinho for is starting a player like Lukaku in this game or even signing him at all because he's so unsuited to playing for a big club or Mourinho's game plan, especially in big games. Signings like Perisic probably wouldn't cut it either. Jose has got to be better at signing attacking players because we don't have unlimited funds like city do.

 

[CristianH]

Mou is fine. The season isn't so bad as people think when they look at City stats.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Why is it about who spent what? Anybody can defeat anybody in a one-off match, isn't it? They are coming at the back of a record-breaking form and were always favourites. Not sure why this is hard to digest.

If anything, both their goals were extremely lucky (so was ours to be fair).

They're not beating us in a one off through. They're 11 points ahead. That should be hard to digest.

And what you spend defines your ambition. United and City spend the most and hence have the highest expectations. Not sure why is this is hard to digest.

 

[Fracture90]

Bollocks. Rojo was hooked at half-time for repeatedly doing this.

Rojo was on a yellow and had like a concussion or something. I believe those are the reasons he was subbed off.

 

[kouroux]

Conceding goals doesn't help you to win games.

But scoring them does and at some point you have to take risks at home, like when we conceded the first goal, the reaction was better and it resulted in a goal. Why do we have to wait to concede to react, why can't we do that from the start ?

 

[NinjaZombie]

11 points behind in December has never been a good thing as far back as I can remember. How you've managed to reconcile that to us being first in 2015 is quite amazing. I respect your opinion but I'm not just seeing it

I don't understand why you don't understand.

Last 5 years 35 points through 16 games would have us no less than 5 points from 1st

16/17- 5 points off
15/16- 1st by 2 points
14/15- 4 points off
13/14- 1st by GD
12/13- 4 points off

You wouldn't be able to use the "11 points behind" argument to criticize Jose anytime in the past 5 years. City are just on a different level this season. Pep inherited a better team, and have spent almost as much as us strengthening it.

 

[reddevil702]

He's had enough transfer seasons for the out-of-form players to not influence the performance that much. It's his fault that we have one midfielder who can make a difference without whom we are completely anonymous. It's his decision to not pursue alternative right wingers and left backs. It's also his decision to not have an alternative to Lukaku.

My guess is that people expect more of his second season. My opinion is that United should always go for the title and anything below is a failure. Call me spoiled or striving, the performance wasn't good enough.

Don't disagree but was he really suppose to know that Herrera would be shit this season? LB and RW are our main weakness but Mikhi was bought to be on the right side and has been shit. We can't just completely overhaul the squad, you expect a good manager to make players better.

 

[Seveneric]

 

[Viral United]

How do you know he had enough to spend on players? If we had as much money as you suggest, we wouldn't have been niggling over a few million euros for Perisic. (Who btw is absolutely tearing Serie A apart). Also yes, buying isn't always teh solution, but players have attributes, things they can and can't do. Herrera and Matic are very similar players, Matic is just better at it. When you put two holding midfielders together, none of which are comfortable when pressed, none of which can run with the ball or make offensive passes into the channels, you're going to get a stale midfield. A stale midfield against a top team is going to be punishing. Jose could have and should have done better this game, but I think Pogba genuinely had his hands tied.

Perisic would not solve issue of Herrera and Matic which you talking about.
We might not sign a player but we have spend enough money on player in past 2 summer, I couldn't ask more.
Its now up to him to make it happen.