Why are people really complaining about Jose. What else is he suppose to do here? We were missing our biggest difference maker and had to replace him with an out of form Herrera. Both city goals were out of mistakes/lucky bounces. With all that we should have gotten at least a point.
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Wenger, Klopp, Conte and Poch aren’t too hot (at least pretty flawed at times) this season unless you’re watching a different league to me, what’s your point?
On paper our season is ‘fine’ so far but we should still be pushing for the title. It’s probably over now and I think that’s a massive failure.
I agree completely. I think Jose has done a decent job too and improved us but more is expected at a club like United when you spend the amount we do and the team we are up against. 6th place and 11 points behind City. Wohooo!
I think we have made progress but Jose needs to do a lot more to prove himself at United. Incremental steps is all well and good but the job at United will always be to win big trophies. We back our managers after all.
Across the last 5 years it would generally leave us there there abouts.
In 2016 2nd, 4 points behind the leaders.
In 2015 1st, 1 point ahead.
In 2014 2nd 3 points behind.
In 2013 1st 1 point ahead.
In 2012(the last year we won the title) we would be second 3 points behind.
Now again how is that disastrous.
He will get another season and some cash, bit if he doesnt change his philosophy, he can go in the summer. We wont win the title by playing like today against the big teams. It is not enough to win against cannon fodder, you need to win games like today if you want to win the league. Hoofball is not good enough
I'm not disputing your point but I don't think it's a good enough excuse at the end. The levels were always going to get higher and it is our responsibility to match those levels as best as we can. We have done well, if City didn't exist and this was 10 years ago. But is not the reality, right? 11 points is still 11 points regardless of how it was achieved.
I'm not a José fan and still not, but I rated him enough to make it closer at this stage. Nothing short of disappointing.
Let's hope for what is left of the future games to give us something to enjoy.
Tbf its clear how much better we are when Pogba plays, I’m not saying we’d have won today but he is a massive loss.
And he compounds today's nonsense with the suggestion that Herrera's clear dive was a penalty. Predictably, it's the referee's fault.
Clown.
I understand you are livid. So am I but the truth is that City have technically gifted players in the final third of the pitch which we lack. Our team wasn't build that way. I don't agree with it but the club implicitly did while hiring Mourinho. His teams never dominate the ball, ever. Period.
To expect us to attack city consistently is just naive IMO.
The plan was to counter, which is exactly the same plan as against Arsenal.
Not really angry at Mourinho to be honest. I mean he could and probably should start thinking about dropping Lukaku to take him out the firing line but I don't think he did much wrong today. We set up to play on the counter, he put our best counter attacking players out there, unfortunately we couldn't string a pass to them. As expected Pogba too big a loss. There was more than enough space to play into but our passing short and long was just woeful and that was down to nerves.
We dont have the players because he chose to buy players suited to hoofball instead. He didnt get the job yesterday
Exactly how I feel, I said at the beginning of the season that if either of them doesn't deliver the league title then they've failed. I'm just so dejected right now, feels like the seasons gone already.
I am not against of him, but this ultra negative tactic is not my cup of tea.
Should have at-least try to win a game.
Should have at-least try to win a game.
The point being responded to was the feeling somebody else would do better. They could but current evidence in this league suggests Mourinho is doing better than most.
I agree he's not done a great job but I'd say it just about qualifies as good. I think we're forgetting how bad a team he inherited.
Which we would have lost without Dave. I care about titles, and we are 11 points behind. So something is going wrong
I'm not livid and I knew exactly what we were getting into with Mourinho. Sometimes certain situations just warrant different methods, this was a must win game at home. It's just sad that you can see something not working out and still see it happen in front of you. Playing cowardly was never going to be enough. It rarely is in a must win game.
He's had enough transfer seasons for the out-of-form players to not influence the performance that much. It's his fault that we have one midfielder who can make a difference without whom we are completely anonymous. It's his decision to not pursue alternative right wingers and left backs. It's also his decision to not have an alternative to Lukaku.
My guess is that people expect more of his second season. My opinion is that United should always go for the title and anything below is a failure. Call me spoiled or striving, the performance wasn't good enough.
Hard to blame Jose for the bad luck and refereeing decisions against us today, but that hoof tactic in the first half was completely unacceptable. It seemed that Rojo and Smalling were instructed by Jose to keep hoofing that long ball.
I don't get what you're trying to achieve here, mate. What does the points in 2017 have to do with 2012-2016? I get bottom half teams trying to reach the 40 points mark but what is this? It's 2017 and the fact is that we are 11 points behind in December.
Again. Jose would never risk a rout. That kind of comes with his CV. How many 5-0 losses did he have to endure in his career?
I don't think we played cowardly though. No-one who intends to play cowardly reverts from 3 at the back to two and plays a midfield two against the best midfield in the league. We were just shite, there's a difference. Without Pogba we are shit, we constantly lose the midfield battle and when you can't control the midfield against top teams, you are going to get fecked.
We'll we do blow them out of the water with our spending. Our goal should be compare to City not Arsenal, surely.
Not sure why our fans cant see this.
Guardiola inherited better players, spent more and we played without our most expensive ever player.
Not sure what else Mourinho could do.
In a game which we have to win and he sets us up like that, says it all unfortunately.
You’re not the only one to say this but I think it’s a gross exaggeration. Van Gaal and his reign was no where near as bad as people make out, including the squad left behind. Beside Mourinho has had three windows now. It’s safe to assume this way of ‘setting up’ in big games is how he does things regardless of what players he has.
I wasn't that annoyed with him today, he's openly admitted that he doesn't want his team to have the ball in big games so he was setting up for the counter, the problem was his striker can't keep the ball to allow the counter and he was without the only CM we have that can break from midfield and get us on the front foot.
Don't get me wrong, but he has enough money to spend on player.
But he choose to spend how of that money on 2 players, if something is not working he has to find solution, buying player is not always solution.
And he compounds today's nonsense with the suggestion that Herrera's clear dive was a penalty. Predictably, it's the referee's fault.
Clown.
I suppose the mighty Sarri, Poch or some hipster who has nothing to his name is a better fit?
Look, I get it. People are upset and Jose did make some mistakes this game. But he is simply the best manager we can have. I think most people will miss the little things when he is gone - like how secure we are in defense, how well he buys defenders, and how he mixes things up every game adapting to the opposition. Very few managers can do what he does.
Considering Jose left him a title winning squad, yes, Conte did well.
Wenger, Pochettino and Klopp's spending has nothing to do with their intention - it is just the clubs they are at. I don't believe not one of Arsenal, Spurs or Pool have the resources we do.
You claimed being 11 points behind is a disastrous performance from us in the league, reality is City's form this year is just far and above what normally wins the league.
Not hoofball but a different style of football certainly. Quite a few players who featured today are from the pre-Mourinho era. It was always going to be difficult against a City side that has the maximum possession stats in the PL and a side that did won its last 13 matches straight (now 14).
Don’t see how today is anything close to Jose’s fault.
If Lukaku clears that ball into the box, City don’t score. If Lukaku doesn’t kick the ball square into Ederson’s face, we win 2-1.
Anyone suggesting we lost today because of Jose deserves everything you get aftr he leaves.
If Lukaku clears that ball into the box, City don’t score. If Lukaku doesn’t kick the ball square into Ederson’s face, we win 2-1.
Anyone suggesting we lost today because of Jose deserves everything you get aftr he leaves.
I guess what we get from Mourinho is the way he is going. I just feel he was more attacking back in the days. Since he joined Chelsea the second time he has been so super defensive in all big games.
I think defending can be good many times, but you need to attack well too. Just defending is not enough.
I think defending can be good many times, but you need to attack well too. Just defending is not enough.
He bought the right players (although I would've preferred Morata). Lukaku will snap out of his funk soon and we will be back in business. The league is obviously off the table.
For a start, having 11 behind the ball at home and not knowing how to control city is something Jose has to take the blame for. 20% possession at home. Pathetic and United are not that behind city in terms of talent, but are being forced to play Jose's idiotic hoofball to an out of form striker who he brought. He is 100% to blame.
And he compounds today's nonsense with the suggestion that Herrera's clear dive was a penalty. Predictably, it's the referee's fault.
Clown.
Oi, I came into this thread specifically to ignore Kag and find out he's been banned. Good stuff.
It should and is. We're obviously falling short of that but I'm a realist. They've been a better team than us for four years and they've spent more money too so what do we actually expect? I think we're better than we were a year ago and while we can continue to improve then I'll continue to back Mourinho. When we don't then I'll be of the opinion it's time for change.
I had zero hopes for this game when Pogba got sent off the other day, and I can say I've got zero hopes of us winning the league after Lukaku's horror show today. My expectation of Jose now is for him to replace the average players we've got in the team. I hope he pulls off a Pogba or a Matic instead of a Mkhitaryan or Lukaku there.
I just put him on ignore couple of minutes ago.
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