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Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Wait a sec. Your thread got locked, so you will continue to spit this nonsense in other threads now?
LVG has jackshit with this. We played 352 with a minimum amount of possession and quick counter. Aside from the fact that LVG played 352 for around 5 games in United which has been pointed multiple time to you. Either you're on the wum or you don't know what you're talking. It's boring either way.
Not following the thread i see.
Called it perfectly in terms of tactics. I felt that we always had it in us to score whatever was required to win this game.It was a Jose special tonight.
So happy Mourinho is our manager - I really doubt Guardiola has the temprement or balls to succeed with the pressure and scrutiny that comes with being manager of Manchester United
You were taking this piss? Apologies !
It's been either hyper praise or hyper negativity lately. I should be careful about using sarcasm on the internet though, especially I who is not very good at it.
This being said, I share the sentiment that we could score more even if we looked unusually shaky at the back. Granted, Ozil and Sanchez had decent games.
No manager deserves praise for a performance like that.
Can you expand this a little bit? You don't think we were tactically good/played well?
Progressing nicely under him
No team conceding 33 shots and has their keeper as the MOTM played well and had a good tactical match.
In fairness you have to take them, even if you are lucky. I remember chelsea last season getting a lucky enough win in City.
Why do you keep replying to me if I stress you out and wind you up- I just don't understand? We ended up the second season with rashford martial & lingard in a front 3; only a rugby fan couldn't see that we were reverting back to 352 that clearly does not work with forwards like Falcao, RVP, Rooney (basically 3x Lukaku).
Let me guess - after 1/3 of the season messing around the rubbish that is 4231, after playing every AM except Lingard for countless games & finally picking him; after playing every LB we have including players hat are not LB except young, after wasting our best attacking players like martial & rashford on the wing- we change formation, chose the players that work because José is some sort of genius? Credit I am happy he is reverting back his mistakes; but he understands that 352 is what United need to perfect to be the best club in the league & in the world. That has its root cause somewhere long time ago rather than just a week or two ago so please don't call me a wind up merchant for actually stringing things together and recognising certain things that you hadn't. Remember my thread about ' is it time we settle to 352' - see when that was made?
I love a bit of theory - that's just who I am - if I annoy you I am sorry & you should just avoid me.
Yep. You're right.
Lingard scoring today and against Watford, is all down to LVG.
Yeh José would have sold him otherwise
The 3-5-2 formation works brilliantly for counter attacks. But something was missing in our defensive play today. Arsenal were playing through our midfield as if it were nonexistent. 33 attempts for goal were too many to concede. They are good in attack but they are not Madrid, Barca or PSG.
The perfect Jose team is not only about brilliant counter attacks but also about brillaint defence. Once he finds the ballance, the team will be scary for the opposition.
The perfect Jose team is not only about brilliant counter attacks but also about brillaint defence. Once he finds the ballance, the team will be scary for the opposition.
Think it was the fact that we were too slow to close their players down when they were outside our box. Jose looked super frustrated when they basically scored because of that.
We sat off and invited pressure and were very lucky to only concede 1 goal, let alone have a clean sheet at half time.
I felt United lacked one body in midfield. I would have liked to seen Herrera with Matic and Pogba - but at the expense of..?
Because I genuinely can't understand how you can contribute this to LVG. It's baffling to me, seeing the way we play. He had to rip most of what LVG did and start over.
But, I would agree with your last sentence.
Mourinho can't win these people. They complain when he goes defensive away from home against top six sides and ask for attacking football so then they get an entertaining game and still moan.
Arsenal played some brilliant football and were in excellent form. They had the joint best home record in the league with us. That is, until today.
Our counter never looked better against a top team.
Mourinho can't win these people. They complain when he goes defensive away from home against top six sides and ask for attacking football so then they get an entertaining game and still moan.
Entertaining AND winning. Jesus, I would have settled for a dour 0-1.
Arsenal also could have conceded more than they did, once we were two up in 10 minutes they threw out any caution they had when starting the game. The scoreline could have been anything
Boring boring boring Jose strikes again
On a serious note, as funny as it may sound but we could have scored more if our attackers were more clinical and more direct. Also, I felt we would have scored more if Pogba was not red carded. But anyways this is the best game for us under Jose. It is official Wenger is Jose's b*tch.
On a serious note, as funny as it may sound but we could have scored more if our attackers were more clinical and more direct. Also, I felt we would have scored more if Pogba was not red carded. But anyways this is the best game for us under Jose. It is official Wenger is Jose's b*tch.
But but that's not the United way...
You can clearly see the difference in their chances when we truly close the shop with a 10 man and when we wanted to hurt them on the counter.
But, everyone will obviously see what they want to see.
Actually we dropped off and stopped pressing and invited the pressure. Arsenal also changed shape and we were getting overrun in midfield and we did nothing about it until Martial was subbed.
feck Arsenal. Mourinho won't have any criticism from me even if ...... nah feck it
They created chance after chance for spells that we couldn't even launch counters. Them looking impotent after us going down to 10 is as much to do with our 3rd goal than anything. Think that knocked the stuffing out of them especially as it came after DDG had, had a divine moment.
Yeah the tactics were shit here IMO. Great to start the game, but poor after the 2 goal lead. It's clearly a tactical thing because we always pull back after going 2 goals up and stop trying to play any type of football. Puts a poor mentality in the players' heads that leads to us becoming careless on the ball and we definitely lose the intensity that put us in the great position in the first place. There's no need for us to do it either. We started the game really well, got the 2 goals and should have still kept a counter attacking plan but we reverted to booting it up too quickly and just focusing on our defending, and we give up way too good positions for that to be a reliable tactic. Today was a lucky win because on the balance of chances, they should've scored more then 5 tbh. If it wasn't for De Gea, they probably would've. But relying on your goalkeeper isn't a good tactic.
Delighted with the win, but Mou doesn't get credit for the performance as it wasn't good after the 2nd goal until he made the change to put herrera on as we actually shut down the chances then.
Delighted with the win, but Mou doesn't get credit for the performance as it wasn't good after the 2nd goal until he made the change to put herrera on as we actually shut down the chances then.
Because you are comparing something closer to the end product to something that was just being implemented & started. That's just nonsense to compare both.
I was worried that Jose was going rip everything up that LVG started (except the meaningless possession) but looks like he is reverting to some parts of it(not all) utilising some players in the right position now rather than bending the players & the team to positions and formations that don't simply work anymore.
Before I was promoted this was one of my main points that get me promoted- LVG was the guy who implemented the right formation, José will be the man who makes us a defensive unit under the 352 ( as seen how we defend with 10 men or with 5 at the back) and our next manager should be the one who has the formation, the defensive ability to bring the best attacking football back to United to push us back right to the top of the world. Why does this matter? Because there is no use comparing something that was so early in its fruition to something that's more near the finished product.
Sorry to make you angry.
Not a fan of his in-game management today, the switch to a midfield 3 came too late. It was evident when Mustafi went off and Arsenal switched up their formation that we were getting outnumbered in midfield.
True, but I think he trusted his defenders and wanted to keep Martial on for a little longer to offer a threat on the counter. It was obvious he was eager for one more goal before shutting up shop.
We looked dangerous every time we went on the counter. We clearly set up to attack with pace, purpose and in numbers. We were also set up to press them and disrupt them high up the pitch.
Seeing the way in which we scored those 3 goals, you don't think we were tactically good?
I guess we should have then set up like against Liverpool. Because we definitely could do that and there was no way they could hurt us, seeing how they dealt with 10 men. But, as I remember many weren't happy with that.
We did this for large portions of the game.
It's not a surprise SAF and Jose had excellent record against Wenger. He's the most clueless manager ever against teams that exceel with counter attacks and both Jose and SAF can apply counters amazingly well. Today was just another classic day when we got Arsenal on the counters and let them race the shadow during the rest of the game.
No, we did it for the last 15 minutes when Darmian went in for Lingard.
Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
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