Maybe I misunderstood him but people need to watch the games.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Mourinho played for the point. The only clear cut chance created was the Fellaini header. One chance against a supposedly inferior team.
We didn’t try to win that game. I’m a José fan btw, just think he got it wrong tonight.
Young players such Lukaku, Rashford, Pogba, Martial and Lingard, all of whom are under 25?
There werent two or three chances, we created 5 or 6 clear cut chances.
I agree we were negative against Liverpool and, to some extent, Chelsea but always felt injuries hampered us. We were positive for majority of todays game.
Firstly, there would be comments, obviously, not to the same degree though (see all the whinging during later years). Secondly, it still have nothing to do with media influence just a simple fact that even playing against not the greatest of opposition we choose to be very conservative which backfires more often than not, hence the annoyance. No one is saying that we're defensive at home, isn't it? Since, that's obviously not true, so not sure the need to defend something relentlessly that is rightfully being criticized.
When was the last time we won an away game?
Are you saying we set up to draw from the start? If so we didn't watch the same match.
He did not. If we played for the point, he would have set us out to have ten men behind the ball. They would not have had near as many chances. Look at when we brought on Zlatan and Rashford, both of them and Lukaku did not defend as they should. That meant we only had 7 men behind the ball.
If we had played for the draw, we would have drawn.
Let's just agree to disagree then. Majority for me means most of. Half of the game is not most of. Clear cut chances meas something else to me. Let's move on shall we?
When Fergie set up his team differently in CL, it was never described as 'negative' or 'defensive'. When Mourinho does it though, what is being said? People are brainwashed by the fecking media.
This.
Except it was. Plenty of times. But SAF had earned a bit more leeway than Mourinho.
It was NEVER described as negative. That's a fecking lie.
Yup.
'Typical performance away from home in Europe' is what it was described as. People are talking out their arse.
More as a tactically good performance when we did win. Although the last few years it did backfire a bit. Particular being kind of happy with a draw against Benfica away and then being knocked out in the group when we got some bad results at Old Trafford.
There was no urgency in our play. The team was slower than usual and very lacklustre clearly trying to save energy for the next couple of games. That doesn’t strike me as a team trying to win the game. How many saves did their keeper have to make? How many corners did we have in that second half even before the substitutions? We merrily passed the ball from side to side.
A team that plays for a draw can still create chances as we did in the first half. They can also lose a game as we did in second.
In some ways this could be a kick up the backside. We play this open against better teams and we will suffer.
Mourinho took a gamble tonight when he is usually pragmatic. He will not set us up as open in the last 16, that is for sure.
Mourinho took a gamble tonight when he is usually pragmatic. He will not set us up as open in the last 16, that is for sure.
I'm all for a fun night of bashing Mourinho's negativity but I feel it's somewhat missing the point this time. We controlled the first half, had the ball, played the game mostly in their half and even had some chances.
That second half... I'm not sure what it was. What we were doing had only a fleeting resemblance to actual football. Calling it negative or defensive would imply that it was all part of some plan but it looked more like the team just happened to forget that it was a football game and not curling or something.
That second half... I'm not sure what it was. What we were doing had only a fleeting resemblance to actual football. Calling it negative or defensive would imply that it was all part of some plan but it looked more like the team just happened to forget that it was a football game and not curling or something.
Perhaps he's looked at the other groups and thought he fancied 2nd place. Can we get second by the way?
I dont feel much disappointment or anything, we were unlucky today and the subs could have been better.
Positive up until about the 66th minute...
Used up all the juice in the first half. There is nothing sustainable about this team.
Are you actually serious?? A shoulder-header from Fellaini and a Hail Mary from Rojo? We created roughly what WBA are expected to create against Chelsea away from home, and in the second half we had zero attempts. Absolutely nothing. 5 or 6 clear-cur chances - when did they happen and how come we didn’t score? I must have gone out of the room exactly 5-6 times during the game- because I sure as hell didn’t see them.
I am sure I'm considered a Mourinho "hater" as I'm not a big fan of his ideals, but I don't think he was to blame tonight, the lack of quality from both fullbacks, the missed chances in the first half and the sloppiness on display in the second were not on him, not enough of these players looked like they were focused enough.
Eh? It was a common theme in Fergie's later years where we often agreed he'd set up quite pragmatically and defensively in away European games against teams we'd potentially beat but might face a tough time against. Generally we didn't have a problem with this because between 06-11 we reached three finals with a SF and QF finish as well. The reason Mourinho's getting criticised tonight is because this was away to Basel and we've had a series of tumescent away performances this season where we've either lost or drawn.
5-0 defeat.
Remember how defensive we came out against Milan in 2010 in the first leg? Or how about Roma in the first leg in 2008? The idea that will always played defensively away under Ferguson is a complete myth.
We were so defensive away to CSKA this year as well weren't we. That's part of the point. Everything Mourinho does is apparently 'defensive'.
The guy can only handle teams like chelsea, inter, Madrid, and PSG where he can have a blank slate for 3 years getting the players he wants; prioritisng winning before any sort of footballing standards. Then he gets caught out within those 3 years & clubs need to change their approach again.
The Guy is suited to more to PSG than us & can't wait for him to leave.
The Guy is suited to more to PSG than us & can't wait for him to leave.
I just want him gone at the end of the season. Even if he win the treble, which he would't, I just want him gone.
Lukaku 1v1.
Martial 1v1.
Lukaku header over the bar.
Fellaini goal line clearance.
Fellaini missed header (Martial hit the post).
All ranged from piss easy to good chances. But, lets just bash Mourinho and our negative play style, right?
You can have chances for 90 minutes but what actually counts is the ball in the net, not hitting the post or anywhere else. Not good enough and yes, it looked like we havent moved on from LVG. Not good enough and negative play and approach from the start.
I didn't watch the game last night but I definitely do have serious doubts about Ibra's return. Jose loves big, physical players and I can see him trying to shoehorn Ibra and Lukaku in at every opportunity to the detrimental, most likely , to players who, if developed well, I'd bank on to carry us to titles in the near future. If we do that then expect Rashford and Martial to hover around 'good' rather than exceptional, while we desperately chase instant success.
As you say it is early days and it may work. But I have my doubts.
Serious lack of desire by the players 2nd half, you have to put it on the manager to a certain extend, but you could see Mou had seen it and tried to ring the changes early, it didnt come off.
Really frustrating night, would have been a different game if we were more clinical 1st half so I guess you can't be too critical of the manager.
Really frustrating night, would have been a different game if we were more clinical 1st half so I guess you can't be too critical of the manager.
Against Swansea in the league cup last month.
Away record this season:
Played 10 Won 5 Drew 2 Lost 3
The two draws were vs Stoke and Liverpool so not easy as always. We lost to Chelsea as is often the case these days. The Basel and Huddersfield losses are poor though and unexpected.
The wins are Swansea x 2, Southampton, CSKA & Benfica.
He is The Cowardly One nowdays. Nothing special about this guy anymore.
What a ridiculous agenda driven post. I suppose Mourinho is to be blamed for our players having an off day in front of the goal in the first half. It was a calculated risk of picking an understrength team, knowing our position in the group. There was nothing negative about the play and the approach. And under LVG, we would have passed the ball aimlessly between defenders, created one chance, and still conceded at the end.
Yeah, exactly my thoughts when I first heard that Ibra might be coming back. I've liked having him but United have this strange knack for overloading the XI with too much of certain players. I recalled in another thread tonight when we had van Persie, Rooney, and Falcao all stuffed into a 3-5-2 in LVG's first season.
When we signed Lukaku, I actually would've preferred that Ibra sign somewhere else and Martial/Rashford become Lukaku's backups. We have 2 young players on the wing who could both become top level strikers if developed properly.
Geez, your posts are so obnoxious. Is your tongue that far up the Mourinho's arse that you need to get so defensive at any criticism of him?
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