Who are these people please?Cant believe people are denying that we played much better in big games under LvG than we have under Mourinho. He reminds me of Moyes in that aspect.
I'm itching to have a go at them.
Who are these people please?Cant believe people are denying that we played much better in big games under LvG than we have under Mourinho. He reminds me of Moyes in that aspect.
Absolutely true, we where better in big games under LVG because our ability to keep the ball helped against teams that didnt pack the bus.Cant believe people are denying that we played much better in big games under LvG than we have under Mourinho. He reminds me of Moyes in that aspect.
I don't think he's gotten more conservative anymore than he was before in big games. The big difference last season was not only our defenders and sometimes midfielders not helping in attacking play, but they were hindering us in the buildup and we didn't have much of the ball as a result. A consistent back four and Smalling not having a heart attack every time he touches the ball will help. It's probably why we signed Bailly and Lindelof despite the defensive talents of Smalling and Jones.It's just so strange. When we used to play Mourinho's first Chelsea incarnation, we were usually second best all over the pitch. Still remember Joe Cole's goal against us.
For some reason Jose has gone entirely weak in such matches, thinking he needs to nullify instead of imposing ourselves. Our first XI is simply not that bad, we can and should be playing our football instead of being reactionary.
It's just so strange. When we used to play Mourinho's first Chelsea incarnation, we were usually second best all over the pitch. Still remember Joe Cole's goal against us.
For some reason Jose has gone entirely weak in such matches, thinking he needs to nullify instead of imposing ourselves. Our first XI is simply not that bad, we can and should be playing our football instead of being reactionary.
Exactly.Bluntly put, he slyly acknowledges his current squad is inferior in quality and goes for solidity. It may not be stylish but you need results at this stage of rebuilding, you just need to escape the sands of mediocrity and grow a winning spirit again, whatever it takes.
A very long post that doesn't explain how we played negative in the "majority" of our games except by listing some games from the last 3 months of the season that extended for about 10 months.
I think it's ridiculous that we scored less goals than Bournemouth, yes it is. But maybe you should look at the 2016 table, we scored less goals then 9 teams in the league (including Southampton, West Ham) and only 1 goal more then 17th placed Sunderland (5 more than relegated Newcastle), the point is we have a problem scoring goals 4 years running, and Mourinho clearly improved the team in that regard (4th best team in the league in creating chances), if you can't see that maybe you should rewatch the season or something, not come here and drum with this kind of nonsense. Using bald numbers like that doesn't paint the whole picture.
The second part of your post, reading how you refer to teams like Feyenoord and Fenerbahce you clearly have no idea what are you talking about. Winning a cup is not a walk in the park and Europa League showed just the season before how difficult it is to win it (Dortmund and Liverpool ring a bell). Every team is rising the game for cup matches, you expecting we should have smashed teams because we are Manchester United show how much drivel you spouted in that post.
We shouldn't use it as an excuse, i pointed it so you can have a better perspective. Some things can't be fixed over night, if you couldn't see the improvement in attack over LVG's way of playing and creating 1-2 chances per game than maybe you should rewatch some of the matches. I pointed out that we created a lot of chances and there are lot of signs of improvement yet you use one point against the other without even quoting me properly. I said the team has problem scoring goals, because even last year after the improvement under Jose it wasn't good enough, but it was an improvement.The season we had before Mourihno is irrelevant. We're judging him on what he has done. Should Jose be excused for the previous managers? And the excuse for Van Gaal was Moyes? And the excuse for the manager after Jose will be the previous 3 managers? Tell me at what point does this end?
Jose is a world class manager who spend heavily in his first season. People hire him to get results fast. He bought absolute class of players in Mikhi, Pogba and Zlatan who should have transcended our attack instantly because you don't have to wait for either to deliver in the stages of their careers.
You said we had a problem scoring goals and that Jose clearly improved us in that regard when he clearly didn't. Talk about contradicting yourself.
I have no idea what am I talking about when reffering to Feyenoord and Fenerbahce sarcastically as giants? Both teams are nothing compared to us. Nothing. Zero. The NL league have plummeted so hard and teams like Feyenoord have not been relevant since forever. Don't even have to comment on the come to Besiktac rivals. Literally have to google the last time these teams have done something relevant.
Winning a cup especially the one like the Europa League is a walk in the park when you have a good team. Ask Sevilla who are apparently a class above us as well. Implying we've faced tough opponents in our run is completely laughable and incomparable to any other year because all of our opposition was absolutely bang average yet for some reason we struggled immensely in the majority of our matches.
Any competent team that had our run would be putting all of those teams by a bunch of goals without breaking too much of a sweat. That's the harsh and honest truth about how much we've regressed and while Jose had his glimpses all over the place we still remained largely negative throughout the season. People cherry pick short streak of matches or single matches like the Chelsea OT game as if that's how our entire season went. I'm surprised nobody mentioned our unbeaten run as a testimony of how good we were
We shouldn't use it as an excuse, i pointed it so you can have a better perspective. Some things can't be fixed over night, if you couldn't see the improvement in attack over LVG's way of playing and creating 1-2 chances per game than maybe you should rewatch some of the matches. I pointed out that we created a lot of chances and there are lot of signs of improvement yet you use one point against the other without even quoting me properly. I said the team has problem scoring goals, because even last year after the improvement under Jose it wasn't good enough, but it was an improvement.
And yes you have no idea what are you talking about. Cup competitions don't work like that pal. If that was the case Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't finish his career with 2 Champion League titles, instead he would have won 8. The year before us Liverpool beat us, they beat Dortmund and lost to Sevilla.
Don't underestimate teams because we are Manchester United, for 3 years we were in dire situation, then we win the Europa League and we had a better season that most our rivals (except Chelsea), and you do is whine and see only the negatives.
Think it will be a grinded out 1 -0 win myselfI hope to be pleasantly surprised tomorrow with swashbuckling, attacking football, providing many goals and much entertainment. And 3 points of course.
Absolutely true, we where better in big games under LVG because our ability to keep the ball helped against teams that didnt pack the bus.
Even in the big games we failed to win, we where dominant.
One of our best game against liverpool at anfield was under LVG, we dominated the game.
I listed our entire Europa League campaign that stretched throughout the whole season. Considering we never faced a class team in the entire competition we barely had any matches where we straight outplayed anyone. If that isn't a testimony of how mediocre we were in the majority of our season then you should really go re-watch the season.
Already seeing you ctrl+v the same response to other people how we had 10 bad games from 65 in the whole season. Well if you truly believe that then you're someone who's well and beyond worth reasoning with.
Got everything right today.
He bought Matic and Matic didn't give West Ham a chance. Most important thing Mourinho did regarding today.
That was interesting. Having both Mata and Miki on the pitch was superior to Herrera in midfield so it made sense once 15 minutes or so had passed. Not expected though as you say.To be fair, most were expecting a 4-3-3 with Matic, Herrera and Pogba as midfielders. Takes balls to not play United's player of the year for the new signing.
I genuinely can't believe we went for Moyes over Mou in 2013.
When you look at our performance today, it was so classically Mourinho. How could anyone in positions of power at United not want that?
Wrong. Lukaku is a different player to Zlatan and that will affect the whole team. He draws defenders towards him, leaving space for other players. So be will have more of an impact than Zlatan. Also Lukaku scores against the lower teams, he is pretty clinical too, unlike Zlatan last year. Matic will be a huge signing, he finally brings balance and stability to the team. Players like Mihi, Pogba and Rashers now have more experience playing with each other, so they'll improve this season.Let us see the players and the coach for at least the next 10 games before we can judge them.One game doesn't mean anything at all. I can even be lucky and be man of the match on any given day.
Lets us not forget the fact also that Mouriniho only technically bought one player ( a possible bit younger carrick in Matic.) Lukaku is a direct replacement for Zlatan who in my view will score similar or bit more goals than him. if we finished 6th place with Zlatan , it is not gonna be much different with Lukaku unless other players produce.this is the season where Mouriniho will be severely tested.If I am not mistaken he mentioned that he needs three transfer windows to win the PL.
To be specific, both draw defenders to themselves and leave space for others. Key difference is Lukakummhas speed which he stays on shoulder with last defender, & run in behind more which much it harder for the defender to push up to stop our midfield runner.Wrong. Lukaku is a different player to Zlatan and that will affect the whole team. He draws defenders towards him, leaving space for other players. So be will have more of an impact than Zlatan. Also Lukaku scores against the lower teams, he is pretty clinical too, unlike Zlatan last year. Matic will be a huge signing, he finally brings balance and stability to the team. Players like Mihi, Pogba and Rashers now have more experience playing with each other, so they'll improve this season.
Do I expect us to win the league? Probably not. But we'll surely challenge for the title and surely won't finish 6th this season.
Yeah, players like Mata, Mikhi and Pogba can pick out his runs. He will always keep defenders on the back foot. Also with him, we can be deadly in counter attacks.To be specific, both draw defenders to themselves and leave space for others. Key difference is Lukakummhas speed which he stays on shoulder with last defender, & run in behind more which much it harder for the defender to push up to stop our midfield runner.
Zlatan created more pocket of space and space for the wide attacker to attack. We had problem with Rashford being best fit, but not prolific enough. Martial didn't make enough run. Lingard lack quality. Mata is slow. Micky was hot & cold, and more important prefer the role of playmaker than being forward. Lukaku actually is better fit for our team / the quantity of players.