Yeah, that's my fear too. Joyless regardless of result. Dreading another season of this
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Yeah, that's my fear too. Joyless regardless of result. Dreading another season of this
End of the season meaningless games. Nobody gets motivated for these kind of fixtures where nothing is at stake.
All the big sides have recently failed to win against poor opposition because the table is pretty much decided. This has happened for years and yet the Anti-Mourinho brigade are here trying to make a big deal about our end of season form
. Sack Poch, sack Klopp, Conte, sack Pep for the 0-0 at home to Huddersfield!
Win at home next game and we're on 81 points. You don't get to 81 points with poor management.
I find it very funny that people moaned that Moyes and LVG were accepting we were a level below the top 4 yet also moan that Mourinho is publicly demanding a higher level from his players. Make your minds up. Publicly slating players is perfectly acceptable in my book. We want men not highly strung children.
All the big sides have recently failed to win against poor opposition because the table is pretty much decided. This has happened for years and yet the Anti-Mourinho brigade are here trying to make a big deal about our end of season form
. Sack Poch, sack Klopp, Conte, sack Pep for the 0-0 at home to Huddersfield!Win at home next game and we're on 81 points. You don't get to 81 points with poor management.
I find it very funny that people moaned that Moyes and LVG were accepting we were a level below the top 4 yet also moan that Mourinho is publicly demanding a higher level from his players. Make your minds up.
Publicly slating players is perfectly acceptable in my book. We want men not highly strung children.This is why it’s imperative the club has football people with an attacking football philosophy handling the football side of things, rather than the outdated model of relying entirely or heavily on the manager. That creates a culture of consistency from expectations, to recruitment, to training and development of youth etc. Look at Barcelona, Bayern etc.
I don’t have an issue with giving a manager time but look at us, yes, in a black and white world we are in a better place on the table, but truly we fluked it, and our performances are abysmal. No real style of play, aside from dreadful, no particular aspect of the game that this team is good at consistently, and we are often bailed out by our keeper. In contrast, two of our rival clubs that happened to hire managers more or less around the time we hired ours, have made great strides and have play styles that are easily identifiable as being those managers influences. Those clubs, one ran away with the league and the other is in the CL final. Why can’t our manager do/implement anything in the same amount of time? It can’t just be a personnel thing because if you told people at the start of the season Liverpool had a better squad than us, you’d likely get laughed out the room. Mourinho is washed up, and I don’t think his ideas go with what I believe Manchester United is or should strive to be, he seemingly doesn’t have the capacity to adapt and change neither, and deflects criticism by laying into the players or pointing to stuff he did awhile ago at other clubs.
I don't think it's about belittling Jose at all. It's far more simple than that. People want to see those players because they are enjoyable to watch. People wan't to enjoy themselves. It's human nature.
OK.
So we score 4 in a game and it's not good enough because teams collapsed or it happened in the last third of the game or whatever.
We show character to come back from behind with a never say die attitude in certain games which we haven't shown since SAF and it's also not good enough... Because we shouldn't have trailed in the first place or whatever.
We spend 150m EUR less than Pep, finish 2nd with everyone else behind and it's not good enough. I'm curious as to whether Pep and City got similar criticism last season from their own fans and sections of the media. They had the same points tally and virtually the same goal difference.
No chance, Nope.
Nope, absolutely impossible, it's never been done before. Next you will be telling me the earth ain't flat.
One more year. Hold on tight lads, it's almost over.
why bring up Pep? we are talking about United and our performances? that's completely irrelevant.
I said we started well and played generally well until the Liverpool game so don't understand your 4 nil post.
I was just giving a fair assessment of our season and while it was great to see the spirit and determination in those games it would be good to see some games where we played well for most of the game. For example, Liverpool at home I would have liked us to have gone for the throat in the second half instead of sitting back trying not to concede.
I think the point is that the football isn't much good to watch regardless of the result. Most people agree that the results are improving, some days we've scored a good few goals but generally it's a tough season to watch. You'd have to agree with that surely.
For what prof?
You think Woodward would sack him if he doesn’t win the league next season but gets champions league football?
I thought his contract was extended through 2020? So, two more seasons, unless the board gets antsy.
I think Woodward wouldn't but Mourinho is getting more and more toxic in his comments and as usual he will maneuver himself into a position where his continued employment at the club is untenable.
The points I made weren't just in reference to your post alone.
I agree 100%. But I'm expecting our style to improve next season. Managers need time. I know its a line that's been said to death but if you want to build something and alter the mentality of the entire squad, you have to give the manager time.
The posts here suggest we've been dire all season and there's nothing positive in our style of play which is absolute garbage. We had a solid first half to the season in both style and results. We matched the big sides and got big points against them too. Improvement upon this will come, but people need to be more patient rather than expect squash buckling football from the get go.
Jose signed a one year extension in January. He's here until at least 2020
Just saw this
Just saw this
and people expect leopards to change their spots - His post match interview illustrated his mindset and priorities 1) Don't concede 2) Don't lose 3) wingonna be a functional top 4 finish next year - these fullbacks we sign will have to be Messi and Ronaldo if we are gonna challenge properly
He's going to need to make some big changes to get a team playing something like under him. Either I hope he's lying about not wanting many players brought in, or he leaves soon.
For someone who didn't have a bad word to say about him until 2/3 into this season, it's quite strong words. I'm just not seeing any direction under him, and he doesn't seem to be motivating people.
I hope enough happens over summer to make it seem like things might be different next season.
For someone who didn't have a bad word to say about him until 2/3 into this season, it's quite strong words. I'm just not seeing any direction under him, and he doesn't seem to be motivating people.
I hope enough happens over summer to make it seem like things might be different next season.
Honestly, you just have to laugh. The man cannot stomach any attacking intent
gonna be a functional top 4 finish next year - these fullbacks we sign will have to be Messi and Ronaldo if we are gonna challenge properly
Now we know why our attackers look so clueless.In any case, two more games left and then we can have a break.
For things to change, he has to realise that he needs to adapt. He shows no intention of doing so. Unfortunately it's our club that will feel the effects. If he implodes or whatever and gets sacked, we'll be left to pick up the pieces, whilst he'll go on holiday with a big pay off and send PR minions out to rubbish United in the press.
How is it delusional?
We weren't excellent, but we were relatively in control at half time which would make his opinion quite accurate rather than "delusional"
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This tweet is floored me.
Mourinho always singles out Rashford, Martial and Shaw but he hardly give any them opportunity to get into form. Even when one plays well they'll be dropped the next game.
The lack of continuity in our team contributes to our tumescent performance level.
Lol, you've just described LVG, who had Schneiderlain, Schweinsteiger and Rooney as his midfield 3 and Blind and Darmian as his wingbacks. How you can compare Mourinho to that shambles is beyond me.
The club is in a far better state now than when he took over. He has brought stability, quality and consistency to United. He has had a monstrous rebuild on his hands and it's probably only 50% of the way through. He will probably be adding a LB, RB, CM, RW to the squad before it's done.
And as for someone having to "pick up the pieces" - If he left this summer, somebody would get to take over a much improved squad who have just finished 2nd in the PL with probably 80+ points. Of course he won't be leaving, he has gone a good job. I agree that there is room to adapt, but he's done a good job in turning this club around so far.
He needs to nail this upcoming transfer window perfectly. I'm not expecting Utd to play like Klopp Liverpool. I'm expecting Utd to be a robust well oiled machine who's greatest strength is the ability to control and manage games while being a ruthless counter-attack team by lulling in teams to attack and expose their weak points.
I'd like to think he'll get two new full-backs on each side in, but we can do it with just one (lets not forget we had Wes Brown playing right back most of the time in a season where we won the PL and CL). Two new central midfielders, possibly a centre-back if someone like Alderweireld is available, a right winger may not be necessary if the potentially new right-back is some kind of Dani Alves second coming.
I can't attack him for tonight's performance considering there was a number of factors influencing it, including not our strongest team, not a formation we've played too much, a group of players who havent played too much with each other, the FA Cup final on players minds, the World Cup on players minds and the fact its the end of the season and it's a dead rubber game for both teams.
I'd like to think he'll get two new full-backs on each side in, but we can do it with just one (lets not forget we had Wes Brown playing right back most of the time in a season where we won the PL and CL). Two new central midfielders, possibly a centre-back if someone like Alderweireld is available, a right winger may not be necessary if the potentially new right-back is some kind of Dani Alves second coming.
I can't attack him for tonight's performance considering there was a number of factors influencing it, including not our strongest team, not a formation we've played too much, a group of players who havent played too much with each other, the FA Cup final on players minds, the World Cup on players minds and the fact its the end of the season and it's a dead rubber game for both teams.
Poor Mourinho, No Martial to blame the result on.
gonna be a functional top 4 finish next year - these fullbacks we sign will have to be Messi and Ronaldo if we are gonna challenge properly
These priorities have dramatically improved our fortunes in the league and the cups. The playing style isn't the best, but I want my club back at the top end of competitions and he's well in the process of doing that.
Clubs with better styles of football win less and finish below us. Ask an Arsenal fan if they'd take style of play over wins this last 10 years.
Every big club has recently dropped points against poor opposition not just Mourinho. Why? Because the league is done and dusted and players are preserving themselves for the World Cup.
1 point tonight, but you're forgetting about the 77 other points that he's helped us get. The best points total we've had post-Fergie. Progress.
I'm hoping changes are made and something clicks.
We didn’t look like scoring.
We made no tactical changes to try and do that.
To top it off Mourinho ended up settling for a draw, with two shite subs at the end.
Our points total isn’t even good enough to have a serious tilt most seasons, And we manage that with the bottom half of the league full of hopeless teams. I’d expect progress considering the amount he’s spent, but we are fecking miles off. If he’s going to continue like he has this season, that won’t change. Can’t rely on relying on a couple of moments in a match.
there is a middle ground between the two styles though - that's the major issue
it is possible to set up a team that is defensively solid but has a threat in attack
Luke Shaw was our best attacker tonight arguably - that's not great
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This can't be real.
Contrast with what Rafael said recently about Fergie telling him to go forward every time. What is happening to this club? What a joke. This makes me think he won't even look to strengthen fullback areas if this is his way of thinking. Young follows the instructions to a tee and that's why he's never dropped and will be a a big part of the plans next season. Strap on your seat belts everyone. Things will only get worse next season.Erm, Sanchez should have scored his chance and Shaw's rebound shot was only stopped by a mega reflex save. We should have won the game in that moment. McTominay's shot could have gone in and Lingard had several shots which with more accuracy he could have scored. Second half was a joke but to say we didn't look like scoring is just wrong.
Edit: Maybe you were referring to the second half.
He has done fine this season, by my expectations. I thought we would finish 4th and win no trophy.
Still, improvements needed next season, if not his job should certainly be under review.
Still, improvements needed next season, if not his job should certainly be under review.
I think what he did good was bringing good players, and the worst part is he cant get decent football out of them. He has spent a shitload of money on the team and still plays dire football. 2 years rebuilding with a huge budget and still cant produce the quality football alongside good results.
There is a saying that the only thing that can stop a good player is the coach. Because the coach can't give confidence, but he/she can certainly take it away. Well we have a coach who specializes in taking confidence away. Just look at Shaw, Rashford, Pogba, Sanchez, Bailly, Martial, Herrera, Mkhi (see him at Arsenal). So many talented players struggling to perform consistently. Either somehow they all lost their talent, or the 1 man in charge of putting them in positions to succeed is clearly failing at it. Occam's Razor. There is just so much proof of this out there with past players, him not trusting or starting any of the young players multiple games in a row, and even the way he handles the media and blames the players. Not a good environment for growth.
The reality is we have a mediocre coach flush with talent and money, providing us mediocre returns. Some of you are happy with it, which is truly sad. We'll continue to stumble our way through top 4 finishes and quarter/semi final ECL knockouts. Our coach just doesn't add to our play. We don't have a style of play which we know will produce goals and results when it matters, our top talented players continue to under perform or thrown to the bench, with valuable minutes being thrown towards mediocre players who generate limited and questionable positive impact except for the fact that they run around a lot??? What top 6 side would the likes of Mata, Lingard, Ashley Young, or Fellaini even start? Yet they seem to rack up so many games and minutes. I understand it's a process and journey. Success takes time, but for 2 seasons we haven't actually seen any improvement in play style or player development. Just a different set of results in close games leading to a better position in the League.
Team's like Liverpool and City are clearly on the rise with great head coaches who bring out the best in their players. Tottenham has a great coach, but a talent deficit. We will continue to be stagnant as long as we have a manager who can't take a group and make the whole better than the sum of it's parts. Heck i'd settle for someone who can just make the group's talent equal the sum of its parts. Cause right now our pieces just don't seem to mesh well.
The reality is we have a mediocre coach flush with talent and money, providing us mediocre returns. Some of you are happy with it, which is truly sad. We'll continue to stumble our way through top 4 finishes and quarter/semi final ECL knockouts. Our coach just doesn't add to our play. We don't have a style of play which we know will produce goals and results when it matters, our top talented players continue to under perform or thrown to the bench, with valuable minutes being thrown towards mediocre players who generate limited and questionable positive impact except for the fact that they run around a lot??? What top 6 side would the likes of Mata, Lingard, Ashley Young, or Fellaini even start? Yet they seem to rack up so many games and minutes. I understand it's a process and journey. Success takes time, but for 2 seasons we haven't actually seen any improvement in play style or player development. Just a different set of results in close games leading to a better position in the League.
Team's like Liverpool and City are clearly on the rise with great head coaches who bring out the best in their players. Tottenham has a great coach, but a talent deficit. We will continue to be stagnant as long as we have a manager who can't take a group and make the whole better than the sum of it's parts. Heck i'd settle for someone who can just make the group's talent equal the sum of its parts. Cause right now our pieces just don't seem to mesh well.
They also played beautiful football and had won their last 8 games. They had completely outplayed Chelsea and Tottenham in games they played(were robbed versus Spurs with refereeing decisions/offsides and KDB missed the biggest sitter versus Chelsea right before Chelsea broke and scored). Their achilles heel was their defense and goalkeeper, once that was addressed they were ready for a title tilt. To compare our lack of cohesive football with Man City of last season once again shows that you are only capable of looking at results and not the performances behind them. The truth is Man City were 2nd in the league last season but everyone knew they were probably the champions in waiting, United are 2nd this season but everyone knows that we are a terrible second, we're second going on 5th.
Lol, that draw secured us our first top 2 finish since 2013 though didn't it. Probably going to finish above 80 points mate. We've won leagues with less. Tonight was your typical end of season game. Nothing to play for and yet the anti-Mourinho brigade are here in full force trying to justify it as a reason for Mourinho to get sacked. Didn't City just draw at home to Huddersfield? Surely that's a worse result than drawing away to West Ham?
Did you expect him to come in and not spend? The only team to finish above us are City and they've spent more than us on a better squad to start with. So what has spend got to do with anything? 2 years ago, I'd say the best 3 squads were City, Chelsea and Spurs. City have spent a fortune and rightly gone on to win the league. Chelsea and Spurs didn't spend, and are battling it out for 4th. United have spent and have gone from a top 6 side to a top 2 side. What's your issue with spending?
You've got to look at the shite he's had to replace though mate. The side he took over was awful.
DDG
Darmian
Blind
Rojo
Valencia
Fellaini
Schneiderlain
Schweinsteiger
Rashford
Rooney
Martial
Of course he's spent! Compare that line up to City's line up 2 years ago - far superior. Then on top of that superior line up, look at how much they've gone on to spend. We are currently going through a major rebuild. Fergies 2013 squad was patched up and needed replacing, Moyes did nothing but add Fellaini and tie Rooney down for FIVE more seasons, LVG shipped out all of our winners and replaced them with the likes of Depay, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlain. Come on, this squad has needed massive investment and still does. Even looking at our current squad, there's probably 12 members that aren't good enough to mount title bids. Mourinho's fault? He's done well to get us 2nd.
Good post, I agree. But I've seen Mourinho teams win titles and they place decent (not great) but decent attacking football with a well drilled defense. It's good enough for me for the short term and I think he's done more than enough to deserve the length of his contract to continue building it.
I see Mourinho is like Capello. Capello had worldie track records, but fail to adapt his game. As our most successful manager had shown, manager has to adapt over the years.
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