What’s wrong with being happy with a draw? After all that’s all we needed.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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What’s wrong with being happy with a draw? After all that’s all we needed.
No point complaining cause no one will listen anyway.
Unless he has a meltdown -- Jose is here for at least another couple of seasons -- so y'all may get used to this over next 100 games or so.
Unless he has a meltdown -- Jose is here for at least another couple of seasons -- so y'all may get used to this over next 100 games or so.
While he's publicly begging Fellaini to stay.
This summer might turn out to be absolutely terrible, something that will be hard to recover from.
Wow. 2nd in the PL playing shit football and being the in FA cup final (shit cup) or 4th in the league playing great football and being in the CL final (biggest trophy for any club)?
I hate Liverpool but I'd rather we were in their position currently. Well, maybe that's just me.
Let him get a few more players and clear out some others and see what happens next season. If it doesn’t pick up drastically we’re going to need to look elsewhere.
So what is the solution?. Lets chuck millions on a manager every year and if he doesnt get it right, we will try another one?.
Yeah right. They are in the final for fluking the easiest draw in the history of CL, and they are the worst team I remember playing in the CL final in the last 25 years.He’s earned his support though. He has steadied a half sunken ship.
But “United tradition” is something that doesn’t just appear either. We’ve been poor for years - even Fergies last season was RvP putting a huge patch over a gaping hole.
It is make or break to a certain extent - as Jose always draws negativity, we are not liked. Pressure comes where other teams get less heat.
You’d swear we were in Chelsea or Arsenal’s position the way things are going.
We still have plenty of players not good enough to be at this club. It’s steps in the right direction - but we have a long way to go after coming a fair bit.
How many players does Mourinho need to sign before our football looks somewhat decent then?
Personally I think when Sanchez came in (and nothing changed) we got our answer.
Personally I think when Sanchez came in (and nothing changed) we got our answer.
That's absolutely short minded thinking. In probably like 25 years they have had a season (probably) better than ours and the lot in here are like,"wish we had that".
Did you enjoy all thier free flowing swashbuckling football last year as well compared to ours?.
I know which two were by far the better defenders this season and it wasn't Lindelof and Bailly
It depends what Liverpool do in the CL final, if they win then then they had a much better season. I was happy with last season, by the way. I thought we would see an evolution of the football, but it's a lot like less season but just with more money spent. It's not even about City and wanting to play like them, I just believe this team is better than this, we have players who have and can play good football.
And it was West Ham ffs, if we can't expect more than we showed tonight than fans expectations are far too low.
You were happy with the crap you just watched?
Two years and still dogshit football. Ta-ra Jose.
Look deeper mate. Explained it already but you just concentrate on the first team.
Talent gets you only so far. You can have all the talent in the world, but attitude is key. Players arrive here and it’s a grander scale of pressure.
Why is it Young, Jesse, Mctom do a fantastic job for Jose with less talent that others? There is a lot to do with players temperament and attitude. To discount that part is rather silly.
No, I simply meant I wished we were in the CL final. I wasn't wishing we had their squad, their coach, and so on.
If they win the CL final and we win the FA cup, they would have had a far better season than us no matter the way you spin it. Maybe even a better season than City.
I hope Liverpool lose the final. If we were the ones there, I would've backed us to win it.
Had a look over our results to stir memories and agree we started well though some of the 4 nils flattered us - I'd say we were enjoyable up to that international break before Liverpool
Liverpool affected us badly and was quickly followed by Huddersfield which seemed to knock us for a while - we weren't great against Spurs in winning, poor against Chelsea and awful against City
after City it feels like we've rarely played well for sustained periods in games - outplayed by Chelsea/Palace/City early on and came back to win in a flurry. Started really well against Liverpool and Swansea and sat back and defended. Sevilla summed up everything that is wrong about the Mourinho approach and the last few games against Brighton, West Brom and tonight have been like Van Gaal at his worst.
They are not even the worst Liverpool team to play in the final in the last 25 years. You can look at the names on the team and write them off but their performances in this competition have been excellent.
Yeah, the fact that we decided to go for a draw and waste time against West Ham is what was weird.
I think fantastic job is grossly overestimating their contribution. They work hard and give their all for the club for sure,that might be all that Stoke need, we need top talent and skill to accompany the work ethic.
And that’s not a compliment either. Smalling and Jones were better - but they are not true confident leaders. A team like us needs a Rio, needs a Vidic. All 4 of them put together are still not of that level. That’s why even if Jose wanted to commit more forward, he doesn’t want to with that hit and miss setup we have at the back
I accept that.
But honestly, I'm tired.
A club with our resources should not play this kind of dire football. Yet we keep picking managers who specialise in it. We need to break the cycle. Even if Jose wins the league next season I doubt if I'll ever look back on it as a great time to be a United supporter. There's no joy in it.
Nonsense.
They beat Man City easily. Not Liverpool’s fault that Barca choked it and they got Roma.
How many teams have beaten Porto away from home 5-0? Not many. I hate praising or defending Liverpool. But to say they are one of the worst teams to reach the final in the last 25 years is nonsense.
Exact same for me. I was neutral about him before Sevilla, thinking the footy was generally shite but bearable as he knows how to win when required.
Sour grapes. So it must be pissing off to see a crap and lucky team play in the final while United went out to an even shittier team.
I hate Liverpool and would never want to see them win a single match or score a goal but this season they played City and beat them thrice, finished 4th, are in the finals of the CL, scored more goals, played more entertaining football and have already brought a decent midfielder.They are looking better for a title challenge than United. Laugh all your want.
But when the top talent doesn’t give the work ethic, is it still all the managers fault? If other players work and work and give their all - why do the more talented ones appear to not have the same ethic?
That’s our problem right there. People point at Martial, Rashford and Pog. Yet when they play they don’t work well consistently. Then Jose drops them at times and gets hammered.
It’s just any excuse at times to belittle Jose. Press feed it, a lot lap it up.
Jose has brought 2 of those players, so he is at fault for getting United in this situation.
We lost to fecking sevilla.
Correct, McTominnay isn't very good if we're being honest and to me every time Shaw gets a run he looks at least as good as Young. Lingard's been decent to be fair. He's not perfect but he's a lively and positive presence in the team for the most part.
I don't see why with our stature in the game, our history and our financial muscle we aren't demanding better standards than what we have now. Dull football with a negative and unlikeable manager. We had years of watching winning and mostly attacking football. So we know it's possible! I expect more.
I don't disagree with that but I don't think that Jose would change his defensive ethos much even if we had Vidic and Rio at the back.
I have been impressed by Lingard this season, he is never going to be a top player but he has contributed a lot this season.
Jose reminds me of Theoden from LOTR, poisoned in the brain with negativity. Sitting there on his throne being a miserable fecker.
so are you saying that the players who have struggled to defend well at times, the midfielders and attacker who haven't been created or scored enough is down to attitude. If this is the case then the majority of the squad have a bad attitude then? I'm not buying that - no way.
It's Jose's basic job description to manage players, to motivate them, to coach them, to organise them tactically and to get the best out of them - can we agree he's not fulfilling this basic responsibility?
For me there is certainly a problem with Jose's attitude - he's just said he's very happy with the performance tonight after he set up the team to defend against Moyes away - you can't be happy with that attitude? Look at the way he approached the Sevilla games - surely you can't be happy at that negativity?
How do you think Mourinho's slating of Rashford and Martial will affect or motivate them? will tearing them a new one make them feel less pressure? Van Gaal got far more out of both those players.
when they walk out the door I wonder how many United fans will argue they had a bad attitude.
The dregs of the league. We scored 3 goals in the last 10 minutes versus West Ham, Swansea and the weakest Everton team in over 10 years . We actually did not play well for 60 minutes in any of these games. Everton were all over us for large parts of their game for example. You will not always score 4 playing poorly as was proved as the season progressed.
Yes, very few clubs in the world have the resources and opportunity to approach the game on their own terms. Utd are one of those clubs, and to take that advantage and spin it into this style of play is dispiriting.
If I thought it was going to change I would be more patient. The results might but under Mourinho we are going to be boring while winning, boring while drawing and boring while losing. He is what he is.
Absolutely delusional.
Have to agree here. We we're abysmal for most of the game against Swansea before they collapsed.
I agree, and steps is what we have been doing for too many years now, we need a giant leap for mankind. Like you say, there are a lot of average players at the club....some have been here for some time now like JOnes and Smalling for example...two players that have been bang average for a long time and are injury nightmares as well. They are at the age now too where there is little excuse. Add to that we also have a lot of really good players who have been average performance wise so far like Pogba, Sanchez.
The thing I found shocking was Mourinhos comments after we lost against Brighton I think it was when he said something like "I knew they were not up for it all week and wouldnt perform".......in that case either they need to go or you do if you cant motivate these players.....could you ever imagine Ferguson coming up with such a comment.
My personal opinion is Mourinho WAS a great manager up until he was at Madrid and then he seemed to change. I thought this job would either prove him to be a genius if he could adapt to the traditions of the club, or an outdate manager if he continued the Mourinho way of the last 5/6 years, sadly it is looking more like the latter. He may have steadied a ship but look at his transfer dealings, not one signing has performed consistently for two seasons from the first years and a couple have already moved on, that isnt great for £300m odd spent over his reign? Apart from Lingard have any of the players developed under him, apart from McTominay most of the youngsters have actually gone backwards. But...he is winning trophies and progress has been made in the table.
The decisive factor for me is entertainment. I hate to say it, but it isnt enjoyable regardless of the result watching us this season, we slated Van Gaals football, is it that much easier on the eye? Lets be honest as horrible as it is to say Liverpool, City, Tottenham are all better to watch this season for the football they play. I dont want us turning into Chelsea, we have already signed two past Chelsea players, if we sign more or more big athletic types this summer the writing is on the wall for me. Still not entertaining, still not challenging for the title and the fans will turn, he will further blame players, fall outs somewhere between what is simmering here now and what happened at Chelsea will happen and he will not be here next summer. I am not sure if I am excited or anxious as to this summers dealings, bar Matic last summer, they were the wrong signings for me, not the striker we need and another average centre back. I would like some exciting young signings of which there are many possibilities....I expect soemthing more likely to be the likes of Rose, Aderbeweild, Fred, SMS....only one of which I feel would be a significant improvement
Well if you sign a player for a world record fee and they don't show the drive and work ethic expected then both player and manager are going to carry the blame.
I don't think you could criticise Rashford's work ethic?
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