The long term positives are that having Guardiola at City with this type of squad will force Mourinho to be ruthless with the garbage we have. For years there's been bang average players here stealing a living.
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Exactly. And replace them.
From what I remember against Spurs we played very well and deserved the win. No parking.
Good point. Eventually he'll realise he can't park the bus against the better teams either, because City will take them on and beat them.
No he won't.
You say that but he wasn’t anywhere near ruthless enough in the Summer.
Although you could argue the only reason the Lingard’s and Herrera’s were playing today was because of injuries. Both can be decent squad players but when they start they are exposed. Herrera really isn’t good enough to start for us.
Blowback from Anfield. When you show such little confidence in your players and consequently invite a week of negative media coverage, it's not a surprise to see heads drop and a performance like that.
Good to be optimistic but I'm not sure Jose will last long here. There isn't a club where he had a great 3rd season after he left Porto many years ago. The sample is very small but I think that it isn't a coincidence: imo, it's a result of his character and way of achieving success.
Good luck with that one.Going to start this post by saying that I'm 100% behind Jose but I do have some question marks and gripes about a few decisions he is making. Mainly:
- Why is he so reluctant to play an attacking shape in Martial, Rashford and one of Mkhitaryan or Mata at the same time? Today was prime example. No disrespect to Huddersfield but we should be going out to batter these teams, not play dicey. No matter who we play away we the same approach and it's the wrong one 90% of the time.
- This insistence on constantly picking Jesse Lingard. Sorry, I like he is local but he is not good enough to be starting games. I have lost count now at the amount of games he has started over the last 2 years and we suddenly have the 'lack of creativity' issue. Play him as a sub at the very most.
- Fullback issue. Why is Shaw not at least getting on the bench for games? He is better than Darmian, Blind and Young when he is at his best. The only thing that could counter that is that Shaw's attitude is bad (which has been alluded to in the past). If Jose is just not selecting him though it's pure negligence.
- Why is he so reluctant to play an attacking shape in Martial, Rashford and one of Mkhitaryan or Mata at the same time? Today was prime example. No disrespect to Huddersfield but we should be going out to batter these teams, not play dicey. No matter who we play away we the same approach and it's the wrong one 90% of the time.
- This insistence on constantly picking Jesse Lingard. Sorry, I like he is local but he is not good enough to be starting games. I have lost count now at the amount of games he has started over the last 2 years and we suddenly have the 'lack of creativity' issue. Play him as a sub at the very most.
- Fullback issue. Why is Shaw not at least getting on the bench for games? He is better than Darmian, Blind and Young when he is at his best. The only thing that could counter that is that Shaw's attitude is bad (which has been alluded to in the past). If Jose is just not selecting him though it's pure negligence.
The question I'd ask him is, is he the reason our fullbacks don't rarely ever get ahead of the play or is that they just aren't good at it? because I think the reason our attack looks so congested is teams can defend narrow against us as our fullbacks don't bomb on and streatch the defense.
Then they are fools for doing so. We have a great spine to the team with world class keeper and great Cb's and likewise with Cm's and Striker. But we are terrible at Fullbacks and wingers and no10.
He is not really a good attacking manager and never have been. It is a shame since I don't see him tactically improving our attack much. He usually need good player to make it function.
I want to hope it will all work out, but like last season there is a lot of doubts. I do think and hope he can do well in the cups. Although I do think the way he approach games we will not win enough games sadly to win the title now with a stronger league.
I want to hope it will all work out, but like last season there is a lot of doubts. I do think and hope he can do well in the cups. Although I do think the way he approach games we will not win enough games sadly to win the title now with a stronger league.
What am I reading, have you guys forgotten the last time a manager tried to sell half the deadwood in space of one window? It meant having to play Donald Love as RB, with Paddy McNair as a fixture in our central defence.
You cannot completely gut the squad in space of 2 windows when there is so much dross in the squad, players which we have right now have been accumulated under 3 different managers. At City things have been more streamlined as they always planned to bring Pep in and shaped the squad in a way where he doesn't have to change too much. See them asking for Pep's approval before signing Sterling and de Bruyne under Pellegrini. Take a look at their current squad and see how deadwood is there compared to ours, answer will become clearer to you.
They just aren't any good at it, especially down the left. Far all of Valencia's flaw at least he can allow the team to push up, on the other end it's basically backwards or sideways. Hope the rumors regarding Alex Grimaldo are true.
I said some weeks ago how much we miss Pogba. It took 76 minutes to have a shot blocked by their keeper. This is not good enough for a Manchester United team. We should have better cover for Pogba than what we have. We should have Full Backs playing as Full backs (not wingers).
Injuries are not helping Mourinho. In his title winning seasons he had his important players fit and healthy. Pogba Bailly Fellaini Zlatan Rojo will play for him when fit. That's half of the starting lineup.
Your back four today?
You mean Young the repurposed old winger, a brand new purchase in Lindelöf, Smalling and a tired Valencia?
Not sure how you can make that out to be WC.
At least he hit the nail on the head with his post-match comments.
That makes no sense
We camped in their half the whole game not only were our wingers high up both of our full backs also were
We had plenty of chances to counter also and were wasteful both by miki mata and lingard
Shouldn't they try to prove everyone wrong then ? Are they that much of pussies ?
I think he was sure he'd get Griezmann and probably would have if the transfer ban wasn't upheld. Apparently his release clause is back to around 80m in January when they can sign players again so I it's possible we go back. The Ozil rumours may be a ploy to put pressure on Griezmann in Jan I.E sign now or we'll pick up Ozil instead. I do think we need a LB and should have just spent the extra £ on Van Dijk rather than Lindelof.
Agree Herrera isn't good enough to start but in Mourinho's defence he signed Matic and benched him straight away. Both Herrera and Mata get away with too many average performances because they're good guys off the pitch.
I think this narrative is generally overblown. He won the treble at Porto and could have stayed as their manager for the next 10 years had he wanted to but was ambitious so moved to a bigger club. At Chelsea he won back to back titles and was sacked the following season, there's no chance anyone would manage United/Arsenal/Liverpool to consecutive title wins and get's sacked for a poor 3rd. He also fell out with Abramovich who signed Shevchenko against his wishes and made him change his preferred system to accommodate. As a United fan I was over the moon when Chelsea sacked him. Inter is similar to Porto, wins the treble for the first time in club's history and moves on, could have easily stayed.
I agree they're fools, just responding because the opening part of your post was "I think we can all agree city have a better squad".
This. Even after going 2 down, we still had no urgency or tempo in our play. The players take an age to play simple passes, dally on the ball too much and hence are always late when releasing the ball a bit too late. That little delay means the player gets closed down by the time the ball reaches them. This is also the reason we have struggled to create much in central areas recently.
We do lack quality and some of the players need to be shipped off, but the blame of our uninspired and limited attacking play should be pointed at the manager as well and not just the players.
Dear oh Dear.
Not Half term and your title challenge has been debussed .
Not Half term and your title challenge has been debussed .
Dear oh Dear.
Not Half term and your title challenge has been debussed .
How are Liverpool's title challenge shaping up then?
I don't expect Liverpool to challenge for the title, if they make top 4 it would be good.
Looking forward to your outing at Etihad. lol
PS. thanx for the quick bite x
Now Casemiro is better than Pogba too? Sure mate. And De Gea is the 7th best keeper around. Because trophies, and any excuses we can make for Jose.
Something tells me you won't last long.
I am only talking about the scenarios where there is a possibility of a counter. And when you play Mata as a right winger, there is a zero chance of a good counter. I agree that none of these players are good #10s anymore. But neither Lukaku nor rashford had any delivery today. Infact rashford is always found doubling up the full back.
We need to be more adventurous against these teams. Jose is showing too much respect to every team. But these are my thoughts and nothing is going to change.
Long season ahead.
You type like I did, aged about 14.
They’re not world class but have title winning experience (I’m cheating a bit because Jones started despite not playing for long). I’ll concede that Lindelöf looks totally out of his depth, which raises questions about the manager’s recruitment.
There’s basically no excuse for a team with that amount of experience going to Huddersfield and losing.
It isn't an option though is it? If City are going round hammering everyone, Mourinho will have to either start taking more risks against the better teams or surrender the league.
He's had three windows chief.
They have never had a squad. They had a 1st team for years and a poor bench.
Most mugged off Otamendi and Stones and would have laughed if we signed them. Most here believe Tony V was better than Walker last season. Our keeper is better. Many believe Pogba is better than De Bruyne. at the beginning of last season (2016), you would say Martial was better than Sterling AND Sane, after his Van Gaal season, which neither have lived up to yet. Same with Rashford. Fact is their players are improving. Sane is, Sterling is, Otamendi is Jesus. many of our attacking players are inconsistent. Mkhitaryan also. That's the difference. When we signed Mkhitaryan, he had a far bigger rep and performances than Sane. now look.
This thread went from page 16 to 32 in a week.
Away from home, Mourinho keeps the defence airtight. The whole philosophy is to have a strong defense and win one nil. Basically how we won against Southampton and Benefica. I think he tells the full backs, that when we are away from home, only one of you can go forward. So if Valencia goes past the winger, then Young stays back, just in case they try to counter.
Of course that all goes out the window, when we concede one. Mata's mistake and then Lindelof's, are both the antithesis of Mourinhos philosophy away from home.
To be fair, we have had a poor week, for a team with genuine title pretensions.
He’s the wrong manager for this club.
Mourinho should never have said all that bollox in a French paper about United not being his last job.
Remember the effect it had on the team when Fergie announced his retirement plans? After that, he never spoke of his future again or even implied that there’d be an end at some point.
The correct response from Mourinho would have been to say he’s absolutely committed to United and in love with the club.
This would have ignited supporters and players alike.
He’s not a United manager, sadly.
Mourinho should never have said all that bollox in a French paper about United not being his last job.
Remember the effect it had on the team when Fergie announced his retirement plans? After that, he never spoke of his future again or even implied that there’d be an end at some point.
The correct response from Mourinho would have been to say he’s absolutely committed to United and in love with the club.
This would have ignited supporters and players alike.
He’s not a United manager, sadly.
Silva and KDB are playing in unfamiliar positions. The manager has converted them to CM. I admit they are doing it well but a couple seasons ago Silva had been written off. I believe the manager has revitalised him and adapted him to a role that can make it work. These guys are new to the role so our midfielders have better experience there. How can KDB and Silva (2 wide attacking midfielders) be better CM than Pogba, Herrera, Matic who have done it for years and won titles in this position?
Aguero was being written off last year and regarded as a player who missed too many chances and dropped for Jesus. Many suggested he is nothing on Kane and he was also outscored by LUKAKU. Pogba is rated higher than KDB as a centre midfielder world wide.
Of the player you listed, Stones, Sane and Jesus play regular as well as the fb. Bravo, Nolito are goners, Gundogan injured, so that leaves young players and fullbacks as the ones who actually playing right now.
They also got knocked out at quarters last season, won nothing and finished 3rd...............
There is definately something going on behind the scenes. The team are looking more and more like they aren’t playing for him.
At the very least, he needs to bring in some attacking coaches. Our attackers don’t look coached at all.
At the very least, he needs to bring in some attacking coaches. Our attackers don’t look coached at all.
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