Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

Your stance

  • Top manager in charge of a major rebuild. Needs more time and/or money.

    Votes: 684 43.8%

  • Made improvements but we've stagnated. Sack him if we drop out of top 4

    Votes: 377 24.1%

  • He's not the right fit. Sack him and get someone else who can get more out of our squad

    Votes: 502 32.1%
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    1,563
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sunama said:
We won the FA Cup, while finishing 5th.
And because it was the 2nd year, there was no hope of LVG improving. He went from 4th to 5th.
Jose has gone from 6th (+EL Cup + League Cup), to 2nd (+FA Cup Final).
Let's also not forget that LVG failed to qualify for the CL in his 2nd season. Jose has qualified for CL in both seasons.
Let's also not forget that Jose has been beaten to the title this season, by a team who has broken every record in the book.

What you are saying is that Jose must break every record in the book. If he fails to do so, he must be fired.
Sorry buddy, but you cannot hire someone, expecting them to break records, with a squad which is not the best in the league.

And while we're at it, if we get the FA Cup this season, that'll be 3 trophies in 2 years....which is ridiculously good, for an English side.
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This seems like another projection of just Defense statements you want to whip out. In the context of the conversation I was having this means very little as one I wasn’t belittling Jose’s achievements this year but like yourself pointing out we weren’t on a slide at the time.

You however seem to have been triggered and then just regurgitate the scripted political statement of people that have gone beyond support for a manager and venturing in to the realms of cultism. Which is fine, but don’t project your feelings on to others.

Also pretty sure I didn’t say he has to break every record in the book at all, again that’s just you projecting. I’d actually be quite happy with him being 2nd, being 3rd or reaching finals and so on. To me winning is a by product of good footballing intelligence and execution of that. Not just playing percentages and hoping others make more mistakes than you. I;d rather force them to make the mistakes.
 
sunama said:
I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning players' winning mentality.
It is up to the players to step up in the subsequent games and show the manager (and the World) that they do possess the winning mentality.

I remember when Beckham got sent off in the World Cup, 1998.
That Summer, he got hammered by the press. He was basically public enemy number 1.
That season, for MUFC, Beckham was awesome and a few months later would win the treble with us.
This is what I call winning mentality.

Let's now take a look at Martial.
He clearly gets called out by the manager and what does he do? He literally puts his head down and looks miserable. He doesn't put in a POTY performance and he basically proves to the manager that he is a player, who right now, isn't good enough.
I'll put it another way. If my job depended on us winning matches and I had a choice between Martial or Sanchez. Martial would not even get a look in. Sanchez, even when he plays badly, puts in a shift. And when someone works hard and constantly aims to make something happen, eventually that player will hit good form and light things up. When a player literally puts his head down, shrugs his shoulders and gives up - it's maybe time for him to seek employment elsewhere.

At MUFC, we need people with a strong, winning mentality. Having players who are fragile won't allow us to beat MCFC next season. Jose wants to turn us into a machine and as such is looking for a response from players who want to fight for their place, just as Beckham did in 1998.
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Apples and oranges though! Beckham was slated by the public, generating a Them V Us mentality, Martial is getting grief from his boss, Us v Us mentality?

Beckham was an incredibly mentally strong person as well who seemed to thrive on adversity and was also playing in a much better side. Not all players are the same, some need a kick up the arse, some an arm around the shoulder.
 
sunama said:
I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning players' winning mentality.
It is up to the players to step up in the subsequent games and show the manager (and the World) that they do possess the winning mentality.

I remember when Beckham got sent off in the World Cup, 1998.
That Summer, he got hammered by the press. He was basically public enemy number 1.
That season, for MUFC, Beckham was awesome and a few months later would win the treble with us.
This is what I call winning mentality.

Let's now take a look at Martial.
He clearly gets called out by the manager and what does he do? He literally puts his head down and looks miserable. He doesn't put in a POTY performance and he basically proves to the manager that he is a player, who right now, isn't good enough.
I'll put it another way. If my job depended on us winning matches and I had a choice between Martial or Sanchez. Martial would not even get a look in. Sanchez, even when he plays badly, puts in a shift. And when someone works hard and constantly aims to make something happen, eventually that player will hit good form and light things up. When a player literally puts his head down, shrugs his shoulders and gives up - it's maybe time for him to seek employment elsewhere.

At MUFC, we need people with a strong, winning mentality. Having players who are fragile won't allow us to beat MCFC next season. Jose wants to turn us into a machine and as such is looking for a response from players who want to fight for their place, just as Beckham did in 1998.
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Yeap,couldnt agree more.
 
In Rainbows said:
The whole point of Mourinho is that he wins things fast. If he doesn't do that why stick with someone who brings us boring football?
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Is it? Or is he simply a very good manager who usually wins things?
 
Dion said:
Is it? Or is he simply a very good manager who usually wins things?
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Mourinho won two trophies in his first season and is in another cup final this season. He slags off the team a lot for not having the right mentality, but he does everything in his power to win silverware.

Considering City are on course for 100 points, not a single manager on the planet would have been able to win the league against them this season.

When it comes to winning things fast, I'd say that we have been very good money for silverware. We are not entertaining but we have created a habit of rising to the occasion. The only thing lacking is consistency over a season.
 
Dion said:
Is it? Or is he simply a very good manager who usually wins things?
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Nah, the big thing with appointing Mourinho was he was supposed to bring us instant success. Normally winning the title in the second season and all that.

He really hasn't lived up, especially considering the money spent. He's incredibly lucky to get away with our league performances last year too.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
This seems like another projection of just Defense statements you want to whip out. In the context of the conversation I was having this means very little as one I wasn’t belittling Jose’s achievements this year but like yourself pointing out we weren’t on a slide at the time.

You however seem to have been triggered and then just regurgitate the scripted political statement of people that have gone beyond support for a manager and venturing in to the realms of cultism. Which is fine, but don’t project your feelings on to others.

Also pretty sure I didn’t say he has to break every record in the book at all, again that’s just you projecting. I’d actually be quite happy with him being 2nd, being 3rd or reaching finals and so on. To me winning is a by product of good footballing intelligence and execution of that. Not just playing percentages and hoping others make more mistakes than you. I;d rather force them to make the mistakes.
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My lord. You yourself even labelled United fans that are still backing Jose as “they” earlier today, as though it’s them versus us ffs, and now this?

I’ll make one thing clear for you pal, the likes of myself and no doubt @sunama are Manchester United fans, not some Mourinho cult.

I hated the decision to sign Moyes, but I backed him until all the evidence proved that he was taking the club so far backwards there was no other option than to fire him.

I backed LVG longer than most fans, even through the tumescent football which was much much worse than the average game we’ve been served up this season. LVG improved us from Moyes, but that second season the football got worse as the season went on, so did the results and in the end, I turned on him as a Manchester United fan.

Now to Mourinho, he got us CL and two trophies in his first season, he has us as the 2nd best team in the league for the first time since SAF left and he has a chance as silverware again. Therefore he gets my backing.
Now make no fecking mistake, if he drops us down to 5th next season and the football is poor, the likes of @sunama and myself will turn on him, because we’re Manchester United fans.

The only fecking cult-esque element around here is the likes of you @Andersons Dietician that ignore every single bit of proof about our biggest improvement since SAF because you dislike a manager.
 
PepsiCola said:
Nah, the big thing with appointing Mourinho was he was supposed to bring us instant success. Normally winning the title in the second season and all that.

He really hasn't lived up, especially considering the money spent. He's incredibly lucky to get away with our league performances last year too.
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Literally nobody else but City was winning the league this year.
 
breakout67 said:
Mourinho won two trophies in his first season and is in another cup final this season. He slags off the team a lot for not having the right mentality, but he does everything in his power to win silverware.

Considering City are on course for 100 points, not a single manager on the planet would have been able to win the league against them this season.

When it comes to winning things fast, I'd say that we have been very good money for silverware. We are not entertaining but we have created a habit of rising to the occasion. The only thing lacking is consistency over a season.
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Kind of my point. He wins things, full stop. He always has and always will.
 
Dion said:
Literally nobody else but City was winning the league this year.
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At least challenge for it?

Contrary to belief, we do have the second best squad in the league. Mourinho was happy with the squad last summer and said we would challenge for the title, yet we were out of the race at the start of december. It's been lame.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
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You can add me to the list as well. I've been accused of following a cult, yet I don't give a donkeys about Mourinho. All I know is that we have won trophies and improved, so he gets my backing.

If we are struggling for top 4 next season and out of the cups, then I would want him sacked.

I assess the manager based on his performance, not some customer-like mentality of demanding whatever I want from the manager. And throwing a tantrum if he doesn't oblige.

Let the manager work the way he wants, and if he keeps winning things he can stay. If he turns us into losers then he can get the feck out of the club.
 
breakout67 said:
You can add me to the list as well. I've been accused of following a cult, yet I don't give a donkeys about Mourinho. All I know is that we have won trophies and improved, so he gets my backing.

If we are struggling for top 4 next season and out of the cups, then I would want him sacked.

I assess the manager based on his performance, not some customer-like mentality of demanding whatever I want from the manager. And throwing a tantrum if he doesn't oblige.

Let the manager work the way he wants, and if he keeps winning things he can stay. If he turns us into losers then he can get the feck out of the club.
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Aye, as I keep banging the drum, we're Manchester United fans after all. The bolded parts are so on point.
 
There are no other managers available who will do a better job next season than Jose. I don't believe he's the right man for the job long term but the club might as well back him with hundreds of millions and see what he can do.

IMO City will walk the league again next year so it might not even matter. We might as well spend big to stay ahead of the other top 6 though.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
My lord. You yourself even labelled United fans that are still backing Jose as “they” earlier today, as though it’s them versus us ffs, and now this?

I’ll make one thing clear for you pal, the likes of myself and no doubt @sunama are Manchester United fans, not some Mourinho cult.

I hated the decision to sign Moyes, but I backed him until all the evidence proved that he was taking the club so far backwards there was no other option than to fire him.

I backed LVG longer than most fans, even through the tumescent football which was much much worse than the average game we’ve been served up this season. LVG improved us from Moyes, but that second season the football got worse as the season went on, so did the results and in the end, I turned on him as a Manchester United fan.

Now to Mourinho, he got us CL and two trophies in his first season, he has us as the 2nd best team in the league for the first time since SAF left and he has a chance as silverware again. Therefore he gets my backing.
Now make no fecking mistake, if he drops us down to 5th next season and the football is poor, the likes of @sunama and myself will turn on him, because we’re Manchester United fans.

The only fecking cult-esque element around here is the likes of you @Andersons Dietician that ignore every single bit of proof about our biggest improvement since SAF because you dislike a manager.
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It is funny that you made a bit of an arse of it so when I responded you’ve clearly ignored that “embarrassing” moment and moved on which is great. This is even funnier because the paragraph above the bit you’ve highlighted is acknowledging Jose’s achievements here.

No offence I’ve seen so many posts from yourself and he that paint a very different picture. Especially with your snide remarks and checking everyone’s history to see their opinion on Jose. Then linking People questioning certain signings or just making slightly disparaging comments on Matic for example and labelling them as Jose haters because how dare they do such a thing. That sounds like the kind of balanced poster you would like to portray right? :lol::lol:
If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck then more than likely it’s a duck.

Actually re-reading your post there is a part that says

“You yourself even labelled United fans that are still backing Jose as “they” earlier today, as though it’s them versus us ffs, and now this?”

That’s not what I said at all, because technically i’m Still supporting Jose and there are a lot of good posters that do still support him which isn’t a problem at all. It’s people like yourself that are hyper sensitive and just jump in to some tirade of some sort of prepared script like Sunama did. I mean that was a perfect example of projecting or twisting what someone has written.
Anyway toodles lad.
 
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Dion said:
Is it? Or is he simply a very good manager who usually wins things?
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Yes it's the point because his football is boring. You put up with the boring football and drama in order to achieve great things which was important for United after Fergie retired. When the big titles aren't even close to being challenged, then why put up with boring football and all the drama that comes with Mou?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Aye, as I keep banging the drum, we're Manchester United fans after all. The bolded parts are so on point.
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A lot on here seem to have very strange criteria, as if they've never worked in a professional environment. I've never seen a person sacked for failing to be perfect, they have a minimum expectation and then if they over-perform they get bonuses.

As far as I see it:

1) Minimum expectation is CL football, so long as he achieves this he can see out his original contract
2) If he achieves CL football and wins silverware he gets rewarded with an extension
3) If he loses the dressing room he is sacked

Attacking football or entertainment is completely irrelevant since it's such a subjective criteria. Different people enjoy different types of football. Some people want to win every game 5-0, some want a hard fought 2-1. In the end, most people will be happy if we keep on winning trophies.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
making slightly disparaging comments on Matic for example and labelling them as Jose haters because how dare they do such a thing.
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Just have a look at every poster claiming Matic wasn't very good, there's a correlation. As you say, "if it quacks like a duck" and all that*.
You're actually exceptionally good at making those kind of comments, the ones in which work equally well if you just blacken your screen and have a look at the person looking back at you.

*Although maybe the correlation is in fact just "negative sods" who'll never be pleased with anything.

As I poster I am who I am, balanced or not, I don't try to be anything. But I'm a United fan and you're absolutely deluded if you think I'll be backing Mourinho if we struggle next season. I just looked at your response in the "them v us" debate and it was beyond childish, a fecking "sub section" of the fan base. A Cult... you're a piece of work behind that keyboard my man.
 
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In Rainbows said:
Yes it's the point because his football is boring. You put up with the boring football and drama in order to achieve great things which was important for United after Fergie retired. When the big titles aren't even close to being challenged, then why put up with boring football and all the drama that comes with Mou?
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Were you bored at Palace away? At Wembley? Old Trafford v Spurs, Etihad v City, OT v Liverpool & Chelsea?

If you were, I'm struggling to think of anything that could please you other than Klopp or Guardiola.
 
Dion said:
Literally nobody else but City was winning the league this year.
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PepsiCola said:
At least challenge for it?

Contrary to belief, we do have the second best squad in the league. Mourinho was happy with the squad last summer and said we would challenge for the title, yet we were out of the race at the start of december. It's been lame.
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Mourinho’s own EPL points record was 95. We weren’t gonna do that this season.
It looks likely that City will finish with 100 points. Even if we’d beaten them at Old Trafford, that’s only a 6 point swing. Add 10 more points for games we should have won and we are just about getting close.
The season City have had is a complete one off. So many teams haven’t even turned up against them. They always do vs United, it’s the highlight of the season for a lot of teams.
That’s why we need a fighting mentality in all our players. There’s a fair few lacking that.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Were you bored at Palace away? At Wembley? Old Trafford v Spurs, Etihad v City, OT v Liverpool & Chelsea?

If you were, I'm struggling to think of anything that could please you other than Klopp or Guardiola.
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I'm pretty bored most of the time. Not sure what you're trying to say. That we're somehow less boring only because of a handful of games? That we should put up with boring football due to a handful of games? I'm fine with boring football if United can start competing for titles btw. Problem is, the boring football is due to the entire attack looking like they have no chemistry on the pitch 2 seasons in. It's a pretty big problem because it shows Mou can't get the attacking side to work and I have no faith he'll remedy that by next season. Which means we yet again won't be competing for the big titles.

This isn't the same as Mou's past teams where the approach was boring, but the attack looked like they had chemistry once they were on the counter. I would have faith in this Mou team if they could look like that. But 2 seasons in and not accomplishing that bare minimum standard is pushing it.
 
At least Sanchez and McTominay get a chance to play their way into World Cup form.

What a gobshite :lol:.
 
It's getting to a stage where I'm starting to actively dislike our current manager. Not sure if that happened to me under Moyes and LvG. Not suggesting that he's not improved the results.
 
KM said:
It's getting to a stage where I'm starting to actively dislike our current manager. Not sure if that happened to me under Moyes and LvG. Not suggesting that he's not improved the results.
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I've disliked him strongly since that knee slide at Old Trafford.

I gave him a fair chance when he signed on, he's done nothing to earn any love from me.

Can't wait to see the back of him, in all honesty.
 
MJJ said:
He chats shit, I am surprised people are only catching on to it now. Still you will have his minions buying into it over here.
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The opinion they ‘haven’t taken their chances’ simply doesn’t work for me. Very hard to produce anything consistent when you never get a run. Sane went about 3 months without scoring and still played every week.

He’s always been a bit of a dickhead and absolute master of spinning opinion the way he sees it, but it’s properly boring now. As you say, people will still hang on his every word though.
 
What is he seriously doing with that formation? Is he testing a 3-5-2? Is it his natural love for defence that has gotten him horny?
 
Baxter said:
The opinion they ‘haven’t taken their chances’ simply doesn’t work for me. Very hard to produce anything consistent when you never get a run. Sane went about 3 months without scoring and still played every week.

He’s always been a bit of a dickhead and absolute master of spinning opinion the way he sees it, but it’s properly boring now. As you say, people will still hang on his every word though.
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What is it with these blatant generalizations that try to create some sort of agenda?

Shaw and Bailly can barely play a game without getting injured. Rashford kept on playing and stinking up the place until he was eventually given time off from playing.

The only one that has not been given a fair chance is Martial.
 
Needed a point, so play for one.

Didn’t change tactics once when it became clear that we weren’t going to play through them.

I’m sure there will be plenty of Pogba/Sanchez/Lingard bashing but absolutely feck all attacking movement or plan.

The sooner he goes, the better. Hopefully before he manages to twist people into selling certain players.
 
Should be out the door if we lose the cup final. The frequency of these utter garbage perfomances is too high and I just can't see Mourinho being the man to solve the problem. We're never getting close to winning the league or the CL at this rate, and as soon as that's the case we have to look elsewhere.
 
When Davey Moyes is making more positive subs than you then we have issues.
 
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