This is what is definitely going to happen. City are in form, theyd look to add further fire power to their team. The best we can hope for is 2nd place again
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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This. The only thing that might improve over time is the mentality of the team but the things that are developed on the training pitch and the technical level will remain largely the same. Having a defined style of play and rehearsed patterns of play the team can fall back on is a huge difference especially against the lower teams but we are not interesting in developing these things. A strong mentality can only help you for so long. The difference between us and a team like Burnley is the budget which allows us to sign better individuals but everything else is the same.
This appears to be a genuine factor popping up over the season. Herrera after the Huddersfield away defeat said 'maybe the wanted it more than us'. Jose was then told about his quote obviously shocked saying ' maybe he can explain that to the travelling fans'
Who has the PL’s top 6 head to head league table. I want to see how Jose has fared against his peers at the top.
We can buy all the attack minded full backs in the world, the problem is would Mourinho let them be attack-minded? He hasn't so far.
That was due to Ferguson's man management. When our players hear what Jose says in his interviews, do you think they want to work for Mourinho. There is a reason he was sacked on his last two jobs after losing the dressing room.
I can’t believe people still think Mourinho restricts his full backs from attacking. All those Valencia’s crosses that hits the shins of the markers are deliberate instructions from Mourinho.
“Hey Antonio, when you are making a cross, make sure you hit the marker’s shins and win a corner.”
“Yes, boss!”
Which is it Jose?
Isane post. He's spent £300m.
How many managers need an entire new XI to play December football?
Have discussed/clarified this above. Not about to get into it again.
I wish he'd hurry up and buy those 2-3 players then. Sounds like a great manager to have and a great plan (shame it never worked for Pulis, Allardyce, Hodgson, Dyche!). Plus he needs to hurry up and buy a squad that would reliably play percentage football, instead of the shlubs we have now.
Other point -- after watching Moyes and LVG and now Mourinho, how is it that so many people constantly underestimate how difficult managing Utd is?
i agree with this tweet:
it makes things worse for us when you see the quality of the football liverpool plays. mourinho has no excuses.
it makes things worse for us when you see the quality of the football liverpool plays. mourinho has no excuses.
Why isn't he changing it then? If he can see that the output from our fullbacks is not good enough he should've changed them. He is yet to sign a fullback in two years and instead has preferred to use makeshift ones. The reason is because attacking contribution from fullbacks is not important to him. You look at the some of the fullbacks in the league and ours are nowhere near them.
I'd bin him, but with the league position I can't see it happening.
Thing is, sure he's got us second, but it's like turning up in a Ferrari, racing against a load of Fiesta's.
I think the reason we're second is we've used force to win the matches, more than skill.
But just look at the team. Morale for a lot of players are destroyed, We play boring football and if reports are true, the likes of Pogba and Martial are unhappy. On the same note, Jose is desperate to keep Fellaini.
I just really don't trust him with another summer. He's not really made any of his own signings work so far, so whats going to be much difference this time around.
We could end up selling the likes of Shaw, Pogba and Martial this summer for example, things go sour half way through the season and then he's gone, as with many talented players.
Pogba, Sanchez, Martial etc turn up to training each day and probably hate the boring style of football. Imagine putting Pogba's quality into that Liverpool midfield. I doubt I'd see that unmotivated, half arsed figure. Same for the likes of Sanchez and Martial.
Thing is, sure he's got us second, but it's like turning up in a Ferrari, racing against a load of Fiesta's.
I think the reason we're second is we've used force to win the matches, more than skill.
But just look at the team. Morale for a lot of players are destroyed, We play boring football and if reports are true, the likes of Pogba and Martial are unhappy. On the same note, Jose is desperate to keep Fellaini.
I just really don't trust him with another summer. He's not really made any of his own signings work so far, so whats going to be much difference this time around.
We could end up selling the likes of Shaw, Pogba and Martial this summer for example, things go sour half way through the season and then he's gone, as with many talented players.
Pogba, Sanchez, Martial etc turn up to training each day and probably hate the boring style of football. Imagine putting Pogba's quality into that Liverpool midfield. I doubt I'd see that unmotivated, half arsed figure. Same for the likes of Sanchez and Martial.
I just can’t see us winning the league or champions league under him. His tactics and the way he sets the team up are just too defensive.
This approach for half a dozen games a season against top sides like Liverpool and Man City works perfectly. But against the lesser sides it’s completely the wrong way to go which is why we have dropped so many points against teams in the bottom half of the league.
He either needs to change his approach or go.
This approach for half a dozen games a season against top sides like Liverpool and Man City works perfectly. But against the lesser sides it’s completely the wrong way to go which is why we have dropped so many points against teams in the bottom half of the league.
He either needs to change his approach or go.
Ed is not going to do anything till we crash out of top four. The entire club is reactive.
My prayer is that somehow, he gets us playing great football and winning but I can't see it.
My prayer is that somehow, he gets us playing great football and winning but I can't see it.
If David moyes kept us in the top 4 every year since he was appointed he still would be in a job, that sums the clubs direction, keep us in the CL which keeps the coins rolling. They don’t care about trophy’s or style, it’s all about the back balance
Lukaku of course, Aguero's height means he can't even be a Jose striker. Jose would pick Perisic over Sane or Salah, hell, he most probably would pick Valencia over D. Alves, that's what the 'Pep spent more money' Jose defence squad don't realise.
Tbf to Jose, he said many times that we are not as good as people think and not as bad as media says. So not sure what's the point that guy is making just going by headlines which most times are completely different from the actual quotes.
He's quite clearly improved us, and the squad is in much better shape than it has been for years.
Yes, we need to be much better at breaking down teams that sit back and soak up pressure, no doubt about that at all. We need to also be much better at Mourinho's go to tactic of fast counter attacking. If Mourinho can't fix those issues after another Summer window (he's had no problems at other clubs) than next season will be similar to this and it'd make complete sense to let him leave after steering us on the right path on one condition… there's another manager available with the right pedigree and who has a philosophy that matches the club's expectations.
Yes, we need to be much better at breaking down teams that sit back and soak up pressure, no doubt about that at all. We need to also be much better at Mourinho's go to tactic of fast counter attacking. If Mourinho can't fix those issues after another Summer window (he's had no problems at other clubs) than next season will be similar to this and it'd make complete sense to let him leave after steering us on the right path on one condition… there's another manager available with the right pedigree and who has a philosophy that matches the club's expectations.
Harsh on Ed as I don't think he makes these decisions. He's also an employee acting as a link between the manager and the board. When he was assuring LVG his job was safe he might also have been in the dark on his fate. Otherwise he has the kind of lying ability most psychopaths could only dream of
I started following United since was known that Van gaal came here to manage.
I like Van Gaal, but it wasn't a match. His spell was for whatever reasons underwhelming.
I don't like Mourinho. I didn't want him to come here. I would like him to go as soon as possible.
It's not that I think he is a bad coach or hasnt done a good job so far. (Reasonable imo)
I just don't like the way he wants to play and I don't like the way he acts.
He is like a managing Balotelli. Exuding no joy whatsoever in his job.
I think United with Mourinho will not win the league next year. But I think will again end up as #2. I don't think United will win the CL, but with Mourinho maybe make it one stage further.
I think United with a smart new choice of manager will next year not end up as #1 or #2, but the viewing will be a bit nicer and it will be more exciting to watch the progress.
No need to ask me: WHO THEN (is this magical manager to bring United back to the top)?
I am just a follower, looking from the outisde. I don't know what is exactly needed and I dont know if a manager would be a match with the players. I would love for United to come up with a refreshing new name for a manager and do well.
It's actually kind of weird that you end up at #2 and there's so many matches after which people here wonder who is to blame for the not so spectacular things you have just seen.
Apparently it's not as simple as hiring a very good manager. Moyes was not a good choice. I think Van Gaal is a good manager, but underperformed. I think Mourinho is a good manager, but he has just given United a bit more than expected resultwise.
Maybe it's just a matter of a mismatch between players and manager.
Mourinho is simplistically put a more defensive kind of manager, while United in image is more of a guns ablazing kind of club.
There is players who love to play attacking football, who maybe get a bit stifled by the soometimes cauteous play. Not going for the throat, not going for the kill. In a way not playing to their strength.
There is players who lack creativity who are able to 'shine' more, but it's not what fans are looking for. Matic, Fellaini, Valencia.
There is players with creativity, but are not mature enough to put games to their hand. Pogba, Martial, Rashford.
Some have creativity, but lack quality in other areas. Mata.
So admittedly Mourinho has done a decent job with such a squad, but I think it's time to move on to a manager who fit's the image of the club more.
I want attacking players to be supported by sober players.
I dont want the sober players to shine and attackers to be the supporting act.
I like Van Gaal, but it wasn't a match. His spell was for whatever reasons underwhelming.
I don't like Mourinho. I didn't want him to come here. I would like him to go as soon as possible.
It's not that I think he is a bad coach or hasnt done a good job so far. (Reasonable imo)
I just don't like the way he wants to play and I don't like the way he acts.
He is like a managing Balotelli. Exuding no joy whatsoever in his job.
I think United with Mourinho will not win the league next year. But I think will again end up as #2. I don't think United will win the CL, but with Mourinho maybe make it one stage further.
I think United with a smart new choice of manager will next year not end up as #1 or #2, but the viewing will be a bit nicer and it will be more exciting to watch the progress.
No need to ask me: WHO THEN (is this magical manager to bring United back to the top)?
I am just a follower, looking from the outisde. I don't know what is exactly needed and I dont know if a manager would be a match with the players. I would love for United to come up with a refreshing new name for a manager and do well.
It's actually kind of weird that you end up at #2 and there's so many matches after which people here wonder who is to blame for the not so spectacular things you have just seen.
Apparently it's not as simple as hiring a very good manager. Moyes was not a good choice. I think Van Gaal is a good manager, but underperformed. I think Mourinho is a good manager, but he has just given United a bit more than expected resultwise.
Maybe it's just a matter of a mismatch between players and manager.
Mourinho is simplistically put a more defensive kind of manager, while United in image is more of a guns ablazing kind of club.
There is players who love to play attacking football, who maybe get a bit stifled by the soometimes cauteous play. Not going for the throat, not going for the kill. In a way not playing to their strength.
There is players who lack creativity who are able to 'shine' more, but it's not what fans are looking for. Matic, Fellaini, Valencia.
There is players with creativity, but are not mature enough to put games to their hand. Pogba, Martial, Rashford.
Some have creativity, but lack quality in other areas. Mata.
So admittedly Mourinho has done a decent job with such a squad, but I think it's time to move on to a manager who fit's the image of the club more.
I want attacking players to be supported by sober players.
I dont want the sober players to shine and attackers to be the supporting act.
To be fair, it is said that most CEO's do have this trait
He most certainly lied. No way was he in the dark. Jose thinks he's got the upper hand now, but I personally don't think so. Ed is ruthless imo.
The running of the club is down to Ed. I have no doubt in my mind it's his decision if the manager stays or goes. As long as Mourinho gets top 4, his job is secured
This is so true, I honestly feel that ever since we sacked Moyes every decision we've made be it signings or managerial appoints has been done by time and chance. I don't think we have a plan laid out we literally just throw mud at the wall and hope it sticks.
Yes it's true, but no-one in the club expected the cliff edge we fell off after appointing Moyes so it's also rather understandable.
That said, I think we have always had a plan with Mourinho, the club certainly identified him as their man at some point in Jan 2016 and have planned around that ever since. The club and Mourinho appear to have a 4 year plan in place, and if he continues to improve us then we'd be idiots to once again make a reactionary decision and move him on.
Mourinho does tend to leave squads that can continue to win leagues, so even if he doesn't quite get us there, I truly believe the next manager will be in a great position so that decision will be absolutely vital for the future of Manchester United after getting some continuity back in the playing staff and club.
After Jose I hope we move to a DOF/Head Coach style of management.
You realise Pep Guardiola has spent more than Mourinho and inherited a better team.
My post has nothing to do with Guardiola.
It's silly to say you can only judge a manager after he has bought an entire XI.
No manager has that luxury, including Pep.
Makes even less sense when the players he's bought for 300m aren't exactly pulling up any trees.
That wont stop them to twist and spin.
It's like the US elections.
When ever something negative was said of Trump his supporters would jump to "But Hillary!"
People jump to "But Pep"
What have City and Pep got to do with the way we play?
This.
Not sure this is true. And, if it is, they'll be in for a shock pretty soon - City aren't going anywhere and Liverpool are getting better. If our two local rivals are outperforming us and playing better football, the sponsors the Glazers care so much about will start drifting away.
I don't see this. There's a side that has literally been crying since September. Then you have a side the acknowledges the progression. I'm yet to see many of these so called loyalists.
You asked how many managers need to spend that sort of money. I listed the one manager who has spent more and the only one who has his team above United. I was answering your quesion.
See my above response.
Guardiola has not bought an entire staring XI.
He has improved some of the players he inherited and added to it like you'd expect from any coach worth his salt.
Back to my initial point, waiting for a manager to replace an entire XI before judging him is both silly and unrealistic.
No manager has that luxury.
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We have played attractive football at times this season. The start to the season was mostly great.
It has still been entertaining football in places since, but the bad games have blinded a lot to the good games.
I expect (hope) more consistently good performances next season.
It has still been entertaining football in places since, but the bad games have blinded a lot to the good games.
I expect (hope) more consistently good performances next season.
Let’s be honest there are 4 sides in this.
Jose cultists
Jose despisers
People who think it’s poor but results are decent
And the “we are 2nd” group “what more could you want”
There is a mix of everything on here the fans are very split on opinions.
Or you know, we have improved, we are second, reaching finals, and that Jose deserves another season to see if he can improve us further.
If he doesn’t improve us next year, then it’s fairer to say he has taken us as far as he can. People wanting him out now dont want to give him that chance despite the progress we have made.
If he doesn’t improve us next year, then it’s fairer to say he has taken us as far as he can. People wanting him out now dont want to give him that chance despite the progress we have made.
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