I think he hates good football IMO, it's like he wants to prove to the world that the likes of Guardiola, Klopp are wrong and he is right, what else is the purpose of Fellaini? The man cannot pass, tackle or is even positionally disciplined and he wants him for the sole purpose of being huge target man to aim long balls into the box. He always wants to be the underdog that wins things, that's how he got famous and since his move from Inter, he can't be that underdog again because of the clubs he has managed since then.
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LOL if we signed Salah next season, he'd spend the entire match near our Valencia or will be used to hoof in crosses to Lukaku, he won't get near the box under Mourinho's set up.
Looking at your team you guys have a lot of average players still playing, Still big money needs to be spent on the team
I don't think you guys can realistically challenge City next season as they seem to have a very complete squad while your squad seems like it needs a lot of work done to it still
I don't think you guys can realistically challenge City next season as they seem to have a very complete squad while your squad seems like it needs a lot of work done to it still
Give over with this shit, haven't Liverpool used more long balls than us?
Our problem is almost the exact opposite, we don't use Lukaku enough while Pogba, Rashford, Martial and even Mata take 5 minutes each to release the ball.
We need more delivery from wide.
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We all know this is all going to end very bad, it's just a matter of when. Mourinho the man is a deplorable human being. I've never seen a manager so willing to isolate himself from a team as much as him. It's why he'll never be truly loved by the fans here.
This was summed up in his 'football heritage' fahcts moment. That press conference tells you all you need to know about the man. He fecked up his tactics by going negative, chose to engage in petty games with Pogba and after watching Mctominay deliver very good performances, he went for his favourite Fellaini after returning from a long absence. Despite all of this he blamed the culture of the club. It's so laughable.
This was summed up in his 'football heritage' fahcts moment. That press conference tells you all you need to know about the man. He fecked up his tactics by going negative, chose to engage in petty games with Pogba and after watching Mctominay deliver very good performances, he went for his favourite Fellaini after returning from a long absence. Despite all of this he blamed the culture of the club. It's so laughable.
There is a difference between hoofing in a long ball into a box that is packed with defenders hoping to hit a target man and winning the ball quickly and playing a long ball over the defence to wingers running behind defenders maintaining a high line. That is the reason why players like Salah, Mane and firmino who cannot compete in air with defenders manage to cause central defenders so much trouble whereas our tall lampposts like Fellaini and Lukaku cannot win half of the long balls aimed at them.
Oh and why didnt Mourinho try to buy Salah? He was one of the top scorers in Serie A, the transfer money Liverpool paid was peanuts for us, and we had no right wingers and we all know what Mourinho did, he wanted another winger from Serie A, the one who tracts back and puts in crosses. Its clear what Mourinho wants from his wingers and it proves that if we had Salah he'd be on the bench for not running around enough.
Putting yourself in Jose’s mind set I can see why he opted for Fellaini, but then it shows his limitations. I would happily wager Fellaini is in there to add height for defending set pieces against Murray. Rojo being the 2nd best defensive header we have probably in the team. So you can see his thinking. But for me they should never really be in a position that Smalling,Matic,Pogba,Rojo can’t handle.
It’s just Jose being Jose and doing what he does which is specific defensive tactics for each and every team.
It’s just Jose being Jose and doing what he does which is specific defensive tactics for each and every team.
But we don't do that enough. Theres a difference between defensive football and long balls.Lukakus best work comes from dropping deep and drifting wide. Add in Lingards great run of form which wouldn't be possible if we bypassed him every week, Pogba making the wrong choice when carrying the ball up the pitch doesn't happen.
I see this everywhere when posters criticise defensive football which bleeds into longball criticism and it simply isn't true.
I agree with every word here.
I hung on for a long time thinking he would realise the opportunity he'd been given after his Chelsea debacle, and that he would adapt, but he lost me completely after the Sevilla game. I could even stomach the loss, but his post match comments sealed it for me. If I owned United, I would have sacked him on the spot for those comments. Imagine throwing the club under the bus just to protect your ego. Just a terrible personality.
This is madness. Genuinely one of the most mental things I have read regarding this
oh not this crap again, the hardwork that City players and Liverpool players cannot be equated to what Mourinho wants his players to do.
Both Klopp and Guardiola set their teams up to help their attackers the most. That is why they play a high defence, the midfielders and attackers press and try to win the ball higher up and once the ball is won higher up, the attackers have far less distance to cover to make the attack.
In Mourinho's set up, everything is done to help our defenders the most. All of our attackers instead of pressing as a collective higher up the pitch, they track back and run all the way closer to our box to help our defenders and once the ball is won, now the attackers have to cover the entire pitch to make an attack. It places an huge amount of stress on attackers and that is why are severely lacking in attack.
I really don't understand what your point is. I'm not saying that no one should play long balls but there is a difference between a long ball used by Guardiola or Klopp and a long ball used by Pulis and Pardew. Mourinho seems to play the Pulis-type long ball and that's why he demands unskilled beanpoles like Fellaini and Lukaku to an extent whereas Klopp and Guardiola have the likes.of Salah, Sterling , Mane chasing long balls.
Plus you are wrong about Lukaku, he is not good at dropping deep, his touch is very poor, he is good at running onto through balls. He is only drifting wide because he is not able to run in behind defences like he did with Everton and WBA, there he didn't face a low block defence week-in and week-out.
So what you are saying then is that those players need to be coached better?
Always hated him
Look at the squad and name the players who have flourished under Mourinho. I'd say Valencia, Young, Rojo, Fellaini, Matic and Lukaku.
That says it all for me. His preferred approach is that of the underdog, sitting in a low block, punting the ball long and relying on a more adventurous opponent making a mistake. It's a style that only benefits the lesser players at the expense of the more talented ones, and ensures that while we can raise our game for the big teams, any team that sits deep and copies our own game plan can nullify us.
A lot of people defend Mourinho on here but all I read are arguments based on blind loyalty and childish, emotive name-calling. I've yet to read anyone tell us how Mourinho can adapt his style and make us genuine contenders again.
That says it all for me. His preferred approach is that of the underdog, sitting in a low block, punting the ball long and relying on a more adventurous opponent making a mistake. It's a style that only benefits the lesser players at the expense of the more talented ones, and ensures that while we can raise our game for the big teams, any team that sits deep and copies our own game plan can nullify us.
A lot of people defend Mourinho on here but all I read are arguments based on blind loyalty and childish, emotive name-calling. I've yet to read anyone tell us how Mourinho can adapt his style and make us genuine contenders again.
Agree with this completely. If Mourinho isn't prepared to work under the same conditions as every other elite manager he can do one.
I don't like him and I'd prefer to see him gone. But there's also a fair few of our players that need binning off too, and Jose will do that in the summer. If we were to get rid of Jose now we'd have to go through the whole cycle again, where a manager gives our shite players a chance to impress before coming to the conclusion they aren't good enough.
If I were in charge of United I'd start planning for the next manager now, with a view of replacing Jose in the summer of 2019. I'd also hire a dof. I don't see any reason why we should continue the tradition of giving the manager all of the power. It's not how modern clubs operate.
If I were in charge of United I'd start planning for the next manager now, with a view of replacing Jose in the summer of 2019. I'd also hire a dof. I don't see any reason why we should continue the tradition of giving the manager all of the power. It's not how modern clubs operate.
My point was about what Jose said, not you. He washed his hands off the defeat yesterday and went for a "I told you so" laying the blame on Martial and Rashford saying this is why Lukaku starts over them. Well, that'd make sense if we hadn't lost to this same level of opposition with lukaku starting.
Jesus, this argument again. This is simply not feasible for any club in the world. No fecking club can afford to give the new manager 11 new players before starting to judge them.
Seriously, our spending seems to have caused a disconnect with reality for some.
Elsewhere on this forum there are threads regarding who people want sold - all of them are pre-Mourinho acquisitions. So we're all agreed that the squad needs improving, hence why I think some of the blame should be apportioned on the players. Whereas in this thread, the blame is laid entirely at the feet of Mourinho, in part because posters have made up their minds about him.
There is zero natural width in this squad. Zero. Darmian, Shaw, Young and Valencia - not one of them overlap or contribute in an attacking sense. We don't have a single natural winger, all our 'wide' players cut inside. That's a by-product of poor recruitment, which with the exception of Sanchez, pre-dates Mourinho. It's evident in every game we play and it is killing us. If Mourinho bought two new full-backs, a natural winger (he wanted Perisic remember!) and a midfielder and we were still playing in the same manner, then I'd conclude that Mourinho is not up to the task.
I'm not trying to absolve Mourinho of all blame, I just think given what we have seen over the last five years, our problems clearly run deeper and extend beyond the manager. Which is why I'm inclined to see what a Manchester United XI, recruited entirely by Jose Mourinho performs like.
He looked genuinely exasperated last night by how we were playing. As he has done on multiple occasions this season. I want to know why that is. Some say he's not the manager he once was, that his man-management style no longer elicits the same kind of reaction from today's players, but I'm yet to be convinced that that's the case. Given how we've beaten Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham in the last couple of months, but fallen short against West Brom and Brighton, that implies there is a mentality problem amongst the players - players that pick and choose when they want to perform. Perhaps Mourinho is wrong to take it as a given that his players will turn up against the lesser sides, but you can't exactly blame him for thinking that way. Too many players downed tools when were we beaten by City at OT. And whilst I'm contradicting myself somewhat, look at how we performed in our opening games of the season - confidence, swagger, goals. And now to what we're seeing today. It comes back to attitude, belief, desire.
Mourinho isn't happy with the squad. And we're all agreed that he has a right to be unhappy with the options available to him in certain positions. History tells us that when Mourinho has an XI he trusts, he wins the league. Hence why I'm inclined to back him and not the players - some of whom have consistently underperformed under multiple managers.
Mourinho will be here next season and will likely make four signings in the summer, so he'll have his XI. Let's see what happens.
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I agree. Weird how some can't see this. I mean, do they not remember how good our sides were in the past that won trophies. Those teams would play this team off the park.
Barring De Gea, that's what we're going to have done come the end of this summer...
I get the feeling last night was Jose giving certain players enough rope to hang themselves, although some fans still seem to put the blame squarely at Mourinho’s door.
It's the fact that over the season Lukaku has put those two to shame in his effort on the pitch. And yet still people want those two starting. Last night it became obvious what the problem was.
This is my way of thinking too. We have too many players hiding behind the manager.
We are Man Utd, we don't have to hang on to players like grim death because they performed well for 6 months, 2 years ago.
We've been ruined by Sir Alex, I think our fanbase has a terrible eye for talent and it allows for mediocrity to flourish.
It's bullshit. Jose knows good players and I'm thinking he must be tempted to just pillage this squad there is so much rubbish in it (he won't). Worst thing is some of these players can do no wrong in the supporters eyes. It's no surprise that Mourinho is so infuriated by it all.
Not sure what that has to do with anything unless you think Jose has had a free ride till now.
Again, if those 2 starting were the only problem and Lukaku the solution, why did we lose to the likes of WBA, Newcastle etc with Lukaku starting?
Our problem being just martial and rashford with lukaku being the solution would be a fecking dream. Given neither are starters anymore, we wouldn't actually have a bloody problem
Good post. Only slight issue is that even with four signings we are still likely to be carrying certain positions. Right now we need a RB, LB, CB (experienced & top quality), CM, RW. If we could fill all them positions then I think it's fair to say Jose has his first 11.
Not sure what that has to do with anything unless you think Jose has had a free ride till now.
Again, if those 2 starting were the only problem and Lukaku the solution, why did we lose to the likes of WBA, Newcastle etc with Lukaku starting?
Our problem being just martial and rashford with lukaku being the solution would be a fecking dream. Given neither are starters anymore, we wouldn't actually have a bloody problem
You're moving the goalposts. His point was that this is why they don't start. Yes we may have lost with Lukaku, but everyone can agree that Lukaku has been miles better than them over the course of the season. Swap Rashford and Lukaku this season and where would we be? Nowhere. That's why Jose doesn't trust him or Martial.
Jose never said this is why we haven't won the league. There are other issues but he was focusing on one in particular because it was a pertinent point to make after last night's game.
The team that won our last title was far from great on paper, with Jose in charge of that team we wouldn’t have even finished 2nd.
In your opinion.
Not sure about that. That team worked their socks off and never gave up, which is why it performed greater than the sum of its parts. Jose, like Ferguson, appreciates and trusts players who work hard and have a good attitude.
It is very clear that Mourinho has big issues trying to motivate this team for a game.
The players just don't give a **** unless imminent embarrassment is looming.
Something needs to change with match preparation next season.
The players just don't give a **** unless imminent embarrassment is looming.
Something needs to change with match preparation next season.
We're the ones judging him, the people that matter (Woodward and Co) aren't.
He is being given the license and funds in which to make this XI his own, because Woodward and co accept that there are failings that pre-date Mourinho.
Don’t most people want them starting with Lukaku with the occasional outting without him. Think that is what most mean when they say they should be starting. Even then I don’t think many mean everygame. They should be in rotation but there are games when we should be capable of beating a team without Lukaku.
Personally I think they were used as a scape goat last night to cover for a horrendous performance from our established players Matic,Pogba,Mata,Young, Fellaini Could throw in Darmian in to that as he is an experienced player. They were all hopeless last night with some of the sloppiest half arsed passing I’ve seen from a United team.
I wouldn't be surprised if we fill said positions in the summer. Mourinho has clearly had enough.
The time for indulging players about has long since past.
Jose isn’t capable of instilling the same attitude though in my opinion. Fergie would have everyone completely on side with this squad and it’s clear Jose doesn’t.
He laid the entire blame for the defeat on them while saying this is why lukaku starts over them. That'd make sense if not for the fact that we've looked as shite losing games with Lukaku starting. There is no moving the goalposts, just highlighting the flaw in his comment. Simply put, our problems lie deeper than just who starts upfront and its just too convenient to ignore that and lay the blame on the 2 kids. But then again, finding a convenient individual or even the squad in general to lay the entire blame on publicly has been a hallmark of Jose's stay here.
He should be be careful to blame the players. He can lose the dressing room and then he will get sacked
You're kidding yourself if you think Jose has been given a free ride for 2yrs. Our previous manager got the boot after winning the FA Cup. If jose had us outside the top 4 minus the trophies for instance, he would be looking for a new job this summer.
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