True, but then neither are Martial, Shaw or Lindelof on the list.They're not exactly academy graduates, are they? The bolded all cost like 30-50m each
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God. This was your original comment:
"Yea...not a fecking chance, Costa was injured vs Moyes United and he didnt dare to trust his reserve strikers let alone some kid from academy, went for false nine with Hazard."
You talk about not trusting academy players during his time at Chelsea, yet as recently as a few weeks back, he did exactly this against Chelsea and Liverpool. Maybe remember what you posted before spouting the same nonsensical bullshit over and over.
I dont understand why you are comparing us with top european teams?!!
I dont know why you think buying players like Matic and Lukaku made us any closer to top european teams? We are miles away from those top teams. THe top talents like ROnaldo, Messi, Neymar do not even take a piss at us, so the gap will never close.
And I never said do not buy experience, buy experience when required. Most important thing is the players should play with each other for few years to show what they can produce together. Madrid/Bayern have not brought many players in last few years and when they buy they have mostly bought players who are less than 28. So by the time turn 28-30, they will have few years playing in the team and in a position to produce results, rather than in a position to be replaced.
At this point, I think there’s certain posters that have an unhealthy dislike of Jose. Even if he challenges for or wins the EPL next season, they’ll find reasons to have a go at him.
Basically, they want a shiny new toy.
Basically, they want a shiny new toy.
oh that is rich coming from someone who just repeated again part about McT playing vs Chelsea and Liverpool. That post was a reply on comment about Rashford being given same chance under JM in similar fashion like under LvG in same situation. I know you had to find a way to squeeze again part about McT but discussion had nothing to do with him.You clearly dont know what discussion was about, not like you care tho, you just cant handle anything non worship positive JM related stuff.
Of course they don't count.
Are you trying to cram as many stupid cliches into three sentences as possible?
You clearly dont know what discussion was about, not like you care tho, you just cant handle anything non worship positive JM related stuff.
Man, honestly. The point you made was that Jose wouldn't start Rashford if he hadn't debuted in the season prior... expect I have just shown you an example of Jose giving plenty of game time to an academy player who had played a grand total of 0 minutes. But keep going on about how Jose wouldn't give any time to Rashford and keeping making statements that you, yourself, don't understand.
When he's saying that we need to sign 2 midfielders in the summer but we also have to give game time to our prospects, who is he referring to?
Pereira is a midfielder, who could arguably be shoehorned to the right. TFM is also a midfielder, who can be continued to be shoehorned into defense. Tuanzebe is a centre back, but we've got 5 of those already and none of them is a leader and the weakest of the lost is the only one comfortable in bringing the ball through.
IMV we cannot avoid going into the market to sign a left back and a right back. Maybe we could do with just one midfielder if TFM or Pereira will be given games there. At the very least we're talking 3 top class players, though we surely are looking to sign a centre back who can organise the defense (if one becomes attainable).
Pereira is a midfielder, who could arguably be shoehorned to the right. TFM is also a midfielder, who can be continued to be shoehorned into defense. Tuanzebe is a centre back, but we've got 5 of those already and none of them is a leader and the weakest of the lost is the only one comfortable in bringing the ball through.
IMV we cannot avoid going into the market to sign a left back and a right back. Maybe we could do with just one midfielder if TFM or Pereira will be given games there. At the very least we're talking 3 top class players, though we surely are looking to sign a centre back who can organise the defense (if one becomes attainable).
Because the example of Juventus was brought up? Also, you can afford to have more trust in buying younger players when your older players are Ronaldo and Ramos....
There has to be balance in signing young and older players, especially if your squad is not where it needs to be.
Neither were Diaz or Zinchenko. The "Pep gives youth a chance" story is proper bulls***.They're not exactly academy graduates, are they? The bolded all cost like 30-50m each
Regardless of all his mini achievements and mini downfalls for us - till this day I am eternally grateful for him getting rid of Rooney for us. I firmly believe very few in the world has the balls to do that.
Amen to that. That decision was delayed by 3 years already at that point.
I've been critical over Jose the past few months. The results against the top 6 of late has been refreshing though. All I'd want from Mourinho is to go into games against the likes of West Brome, Swansea etc with the leash off. Let the players play more attacking. I think we'd get better results from it also with the players we have
Out of interest, what do you aim to achieve by this kind of comment?
We're here because we enjoy talking about United and want to debate. Not to indulge in brainless playground insults with no justification.
I don't know you mate, so sorry if this seems a little harsh, but this sort of childish 'top red' bullshit is just tiresome. It adds nothing to the debate and its proponents seem more concerned with proving what great fans they are than analysing the situation objectively. I know that's a big generalisation but, y'know, when in Rome and all that...
I think Mourinho is basically a cup manager now.
His tactics work on big occasions against good teams because he's still brilliant at stopping other teams playing. The problem comes when someone parks the bus against him, as has happened many times in the league over the last couple of years. The West Brom game was a carbon copy of so many games last year - team comes to OT, defends in depth and we don't have an answer. Sevilla was similar, in that he didn't know whether to stick or twist and did neither.
Jose's tactics will still get us results in big games and in knockout tournaments but i doubt we'll win the league under him. And given how dire the football can be at times, it's easy to see why so many fans are undecided.
Wrong, what i said is that if you copy paste JM instead of LvG in that specific period, Rashford would never happen how it happened under LvG. Him trusting a 18 year old kid and putting faith in him on PL debut as striker vs Wenger, not in billion years.
Other thing, like i already said, you clearly dont know whats discussion about and how/why it started. Rashford and McT cant be in the same bracket as examples of JM trusting youth.
When it comes to McT he is 21 not 18, regardless nobody taking away from JM certain amount of trust in McT and giving him chance/minutes this season. Props to JM for it. Even tho, like i said, i had issue how he was dropped after having a good game vs Liverpool for a one of most important games of the season vs Sevilla, so his spot could take a senior player just out of injury. Similar how Rashford a double scorer vs Liverpool from left was moved on the less favorite right side, just so other senior player who didnt look anything special till that moment could be slotted on the left. I know its hard for you to see but there is nothing pro or anti JM about it, it is what it is and it happened how it happened, nothing is made up.
Yes you did that for me, well done.
If we are therefore going to recycle the manager every 3 years or so (which I do not really want), then surely next time around we want one that will be more comfortable in offering the sort of football we all want to see, and then we can maybe finally move on from SAF.
I have nothing massive against Jose, he will get his trophies with us, and deserves credit for it, but unless he changes his overall approach then I'm failing to get too attached.
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Yeah massive difference between an unknown 18 year old making his debut and an unknown 20 year old making his... 2 years. Like I said, you're talking nonsense. Also, btw we had several injuries during the period when Rashford made his debut. LvG had very few choices - the likes of Varela and Riley also featured in those set of games because of injuries.
If you mock difference between 18 year old and 20 like its nothing then i am not gonna waste my time anymore and you think i am talking nonsense. Christ, its like arguing with Trump supporter. Screw that, carry on and take care.
Enlighten me. Neither had any experience of first team football, both very, very young and still growing. You're making it out as if there's a significant difference between their ages. There bloody isn't.
But but but he doesn't coach attacking play, he can't get the best out of attacking players, if Klopp, Poch bla bla....
But but but he doesn't coach attacking play, he can't get the best out of attacking players, if Klopp, Poch bla bla....
Well those stats certainly disprove everything we've seen with our own eyes. We should give up watching football and follow it through stats instead.
But but but he doesn't coach attacking play, he can't get the best out of attacking players, if Klopp, Poch bla bla....
It also comes down to personnel and people than hate on Mourinho like to repeat he's a negative manager but I liked the balance we had under him rotating guys like Benzema, Higuaín and Ronaldo and how swift we were on attack. So maybe the supporters need to be more patient with him as the progress is quite evident compared to the past two managers in United.
The focus is literally on what he doesn't or hasn't done at all time for some people versus what he has done in his time here. I'm less 100% Mourinho than I was last year at this same time, but I feel the squad and our play has progressed and that he definitely deserves another year to see if he can take us another step up and truly compete for top honors.
I think his success or lack thereof long-term will be largely decided by the additions to the squad he makes this summer and if he's able to capably reinforce central midfield and most importantly both FB positions.
To understand why Mourinho is Mourinho I think every United fan should try to read this interview from 2009, to a portuguese "intelectual" if I can say that.
Problem is when you access that link it is in portuguese. Any chance for anyone to understand this with the translator or should I when I have time one day try to translate this from portuguese to english?
Say this because I don't remember any sort of interview like this, be it in Portugal, England, Spain whatever.
The interview is so long and imo so rich to understand what he (at least in 2009) thought about football, England, cultural influences, how he started, university and so on, for me if this isn't possible to understand when you read, maybe one day I will have to open a thread with this interview translated.
Found this yesterday, and believe me regardless what you think about him as a person, the manager, for me it is one of the best insights to understand the "great" mind Mourinho had or still has, depending on personal opinions of course.
Keep in mind I am not even a Mourinho fan these days, I was a great admirer between 2002 to 2010, particularly the work he did with Porto between 2002 to 2004.
Anyway, try to read, if nobody can understand one day I will start a thread with this translated, but it is so long, only a guy like Miguel Esteves Cardoso could make a interview like that, its not a normal football interview.
https://www.lateralesquerdo.com/2017/11/10/mourinho-na-espiral-do-tempo/
Problem is when you access that link it is in portuguese. Any chance for anyone to understand this with the translator or should I when I have time one day try to translate this from portuguese to english?
Say this because I don't remember any sort of interview like this, be it in Portugal, England, Spain whatever.
The interview is so long and imo so rich to understand what he (at least in 2009) thought about football, England, cultural influences, how he started, university and so on, for me if this isn't possible to understand when you read, maybe one day I will have to open a thread with this interview translated.
Found this yesterday, and believe me regardless what you think about him as a person, the manager, for me it is one of the best insights to understand the "great" mind Mourinho had or still has, depending on personal opinions of course.
Keep in mind I am not even a Mourinho fan these days, I was a great admirer between 2002 to 2010, particularly the work he did with Porto between 2002 to 2004.
Anyway, try to read, if nobody can understand one day I will start a thread with this translated, but it is so long, only a guy like Miguel Esteves Cardoso could make a interview like that, its not a normal football interview.
https://www.lateralesquerdo.com/2017/11/10/mourinho-na-espiral-do-tempo/
But but but he doesn't coach attacking play, he can't get the best out of attacking players, if Klopp, Poch bla bla....
There's no surprise that every single one of those 'best career seasons' coincided with their respective teams having phenomenal seasons too. He builds winning teams and individuals do better in better teams - shocker.
To understand why Mourinho is Mourinho I think every United fan should try to read this interview from 2009, to a portuguese "intelectual" if I can say that.
Problem is when you access that link it is in portuguese. Any chance for anyone to understand this with the translator or should I when I have time one day try to translate this from portuguese to english?
Say this because I don't remember any sort of interview like this, be it in Portugal, England, Spain whatever.
The interview is so long and imo so rich to understand what he (at least in 2009) thought about football, England, cultural influences, how he started, university and so on, for me if this isn't possible to understand when you read, maybe one day I will have to open a thread with this interview translated.
Found this yesterday, and believe me regardless what you think about him as a person, the manager, for me it is one of the best insights to understand the "great" mind Mourinho had or still has, depending on personal opinions of course.
Keep in mind I am not even a Mourinho fan these days, I was a great admirer between 2002 to 2010, particularly the work he did with Porto between 2002 to 2004.
Anyway, try to read, if nobody can understand one day I will start a thread with this translated, but it is so long, only a guy like Miguel Esteves Cardoso could make a interview like that, its not a normal football interview.
https://www.lateralesquerdo.com/2017/11/10/mourinho-na-espiral-do-tempo/
Would love to read a translated version of this.
As this is a very long interview one day when I have this translation completed perhaps I will start a thread, don't know if its better on the United Forum or General Football, impossible to translate I guess?
These past few days, for reasons i could not fathom, I was watching the sky tribute to sir alex. They brought tears to my eyes every time i watched the video, even though I must have watched it for like 50 times. Strangely enough, i think our club and liverpool have a lot in common. Both absolutely dominant over a stretch and both fading afterwards. Both run like a one-man show(in pool's case may be 3). And now, even we have started talking along the lines of 'next year will be our year'. I don't know why i posted this in this thread, but i guess just needed to let that one out.
Maybe there is something about our club that we have only 3 managers who have ever won the league with us. That I think that is abnormal in itself in our 140 year existence. That special one to lead us back to dominance is maybe not this special one.
Maybe there is something about our club that we have only 3 managers who have ever won the league with us. That I think that is abnormal in itself in our 140 year existence. That special one to lead us back to dominance is maybe not this special one.
Except us of course
One team dominating the league for years/decades like ourselves and Liverpool did is the past now. With the money in the game, that will most likely never be possible again.
Who counted them when we talked about academy graduate?
Compare it to our last 5/6 years. Phenomenal in comparisonExcept us of course
No, Phenomenal is when a manager like Benitez takes a shithouse team like Newcastle and turns them into a decent team on a shoestring budget.
Mourinho has had hundreds of millions of pounds at his disposal to bring in top quality players and yet he still hasn’t got us playing like a functional football team two years in!
The absolute failure of the Moyes and LVG years should not be used to define Mourinho’s tenure as phenomenal.
Yes we have improved, but so we should. I’d expect that from any manager in his second season.
Mourinho is going to have to completely revolutionise our play next season if we want to be serious contenders for the PL and CL.
Whenever Liverpool tear apart good teams (like tonight), does it justify Mourinho's approach at Anfield over the last 2 seasons?
Nah it’s all about attacking entertaining football. Roma can be proud, at least according to the football purists on this forum.
Depends. In cup competitions? Probably. Neuter them as much as possible and then take care of them at home. Were they knocked out of the domestic cups at Anfield?
In the league? Less so, as you're going in with the intention of leaving 2 crucial points on the table. And this season it made very little sense, seeing what City was doing away at Stamford Bridge and the Emirates at the time. I don't see any way of challenging a side like City for the league without being more proactive at tough away grounds like Anfield.
It does.
But also it reminds us what we could have instead of what we have. Let's admit it, we all would love to be watching United playing like Liverpool do these days.
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