Is that really what you take from this? Not “this is what proper dedication to attacking football can produce”, but that you’re glad we can defend against this rather than producing attacking football of this quality?
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Is that really what you take from this? Not “this is what proper dedication to attacking football can produce”, but that you’re glad we can defend against this rather than producing attacking football of this quality?
Yes but it doesn't justify the reason to play like that against every team. Sevilla is in the past but Sevilla & Roma are the same level + or minus 10%. The fact that Jose in two years hasn't even come out with a game plan that we can perfect & one we as a club can put a label on is disappointing. The lad has improved his personnel but absolutely nothing in terms of a type of team play. Got a big 3rd season going forward.
Why not look at what City did at Anfield?
Reality is you're going to drop points in the season, and 2 dropped at Anfield has never been a terrible result.
They were knocked out of the FA cup by West Brom, 3-1 at Anfield. Roma have played a stupid game.
League table doesn't lie, and we've been better than them this season. They have played great attacking football, but we've been the better football team.
Is that what you take from my post? I just asked a question.
City's setup and approach to the game could have been much better, yes. I don't think you have to be as conservative as Jose was, leaving you with no chance of getting 3 points. Surely there can be a middle ground?
True you will drop points throughout the season. But you should go into every game trying to win it (while taking needed precautions). Didn't seem like Jose was concerned in winning. I have to watch the highlights again.
They have the higher ceiling when they play well. They could win the CL, whereas we look miles away from doing that.
Yes, agreed. I'd argue that that tie alone has shaped a lot of the criticism we've had this season. Losses to teams like Huddersfield have unfortunately always happened to us. Burnley away under Fergie, Wolves, etc.
The West Brom game wasn't great at all either.
But Sevilla has really shaped our criticism, and lots of critics have forgotten how good we've been in the bigger games in the second half of the season.
This is getting unhealthy now.
Any excuse to go over old ground. We're not even playing tonight.
If anything Jose should be getting praise for how he can cope with Klopps Liverpool.
Any excuse to go over old ground. We're not even playing tonight.
If anything Jose should be getting praise for how he can cope with Klopps Liverpool.
So it's up to the manager to get them to play well more frequently, isn't it? We've been competitive all season long and have the chance to win a 3rd trophy in 12 months.
Reality is we have played well for longer periods. Their quality attacking makes them a more attractive proposition, not a better team imo. Even allowing Roma back into this tie now is more proof. Can't coach defences.
Much as I dislike the guy I gotta say I appreciate how he managed to make this same Liverpool side look toothless. He's probably the only manager in the world capable of doing that. I imagine Bayern/Real whoever plays them next will be studying our game closely
We should be asking why we can't match Liverpool's run and approach not patting ourselves on the back for being able to cope with them in single matches. Beating Liverpool isn't a cup.
Our approach is supposedly meant to be superior to attacking philosophies
Our approach is supposedly meant to be superior to attacking philosophies
So predicatble 
If Mourinho was Roma manager they wouldn't be 5-2 down at the moment. Mo Salah never even had a shot on target against United this season, and over 180 minutes we rarely looked like losing to them. That's a lot more than a lot of sides, including Man City 'best Premier League team ever,' can say...
Liverpool getting as far as they have is painful. However, our path would've taken us to Bayern and then Madrid. Even had we beat Sevilla it would've been an uphill struggle.
All things considered I'm happy with how Jose's managed this season.
Liverpool getting as far as they have is painful. However, our path would've taken us to Bayern and then Madrid. Even had we beat Sevilla it would've been an uphill struggle.
All things considered I'm happy with how Jose's managed this season.
You do know it doesn't work like that.
I gotta admit i'm moving towards JoseOut. Terrible performance from him tonight, don't even care that Salah is currently on fire.
There's no way Real or Bayern will approach the game same way we did. They are good enough to play past the press without going hoof.
Why, would us winning have changed the way the balls came out? The winner of Sevilla vs Man Utd was drawn against Bayern. The winner of that tie was drawn against Madrid. Maybe we would've beaten all those teams but we're maturing as a side. Only in the last few months has the winning mentality Jose's trying to create started to show through, its still inconsistent as well. This season was perhaps a little too soon for us.
That heritage talk is looking pretty stupid right about now.
Depends on how you look at it.
Justifies have going defensive against Pool but damns him for cowardly tactics against the likes of Sevilla.
Why?
If anything this backs it up! CL is imprinted within Liverpools dna while Roma are eternal chokers.
I saw Fergie play that way a few times over his career as well. I totally agree about the middle ground. But until we find the formula to meet it, I'd rather play how we did than them put 5 past us.
Okay, each to their own.
Yes?
If we get a result at Liverpool playing reactive football then that's fair enough. It's playing cowardly football against Sevilla that annoyed most people.
Liverpool didn't beat them in the two games they played?
I fear for fans health if they're able to swing tonight back to Sevilla.
How we played against Liverpool was never a problem. As you say the Sevilla games were. The Newcastle/Huddersfield/WBA games were. Next season we will see if not just the manager, but the players have learnt anything.
Yeah, I've made my thoughts on the Sevilla game clear. I agree with you, in short.
That was a big big error. The whole tie was a shambles, from players and manager.
I agree that if Mourinho was Roma manager, his team would never be 5-2 down.
The down side is that if Mourinho was Liverpool manager, they would never be 5-0 up.
That's in a nutshell explains part of our problems.
Yes okay. But we've had plenty of criticism to our performance at Anfield this season as well as our performance v Sevilla. I'm asking about the Liverpool games.
You do know Liverpool were in dreadful form them? Salah wasn't banging them in like now, they had been destroyed by Man City and were struggling to buy a win. Then the weekend after Spurs thrashed them 4-1.
We were actually in great form, and deflated our own bubble by a cowardly performance.
I think he needs to get the balance right.
I don't have anything against his approach in big games against teams with better footballing ability.
However, he has to be more aggressive against teams with decent ability but we're still better than or mistakes like Sevilla will happen again.
I don't have anything against his approach in big games against teams with better footballing ability.
However, he has to be more aggressive against teams with decent ability but we're still better than or mistakes like Sevilla will happen again.
Would you still say that when say hypothetically, we win the FA cup and they don't win the CL??
Mourinho could win the treble for three successive years and there will still be mentions of Sevilla in this thread, even then!
Both examples were away from home while Liverpool always gameraise against us anyway. Anfield is a different kettle of fish.
Can we ban the word cowardly already? I bet Roma and City fans wish they were a bit more cowardly at Anfield.
The Sevilla game was a fruit of our general approach, not an isolated incident. That same reactive approach worked against Liverpool but the reality is that foolproof approaches don't exist and while ours allow us to get decent results it doesn't allow use to reach the best level that teams like Sevilla, Roma or Liverpool can reach, and to be clear I'm not saying that these teams are better, they are less consistent but they have the ability to reach higher grounds.
This.
City were cowardly. It's the big reason the first killed them. If they went at them like they usually do they would've stood a much better chance - just like the first half at the Etihad.
Roma are just not as good as Liverpool.
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