Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Yet he spent £90m on the player you just described?
Why the feck should we trust some who's spent £300m for so little with more?
I said before the West Brom match, that as much as I originally wanted him, I'd much rather move on now.
Yes we are second in the league, the best we've done since Fergie, but with the money we have spent, it's expected that we should be there or thereabouts.
My issue is we have good players, yet they are held back due to fear of losing.
We look uninterested as a team at points (But in reality, if our players look at how the top teams in Europe play, wouldn't you be pissed off?)
We have some exceptional attacking players, and Klopp or Pep in charge of them would make them look another level (Sterling, Mane, Salah etc)
One thing I can thank Jose for, is some of the talent he has brought in (Although media reports sounds like they are wanting to leave if he stays!)
If we were to bring Poch or somebody in, we have the players that Managers would want to work with, so at least that part wouldn't be a rebuild job.
He's finishing top 3 at least, so he'll stay, I just think this is about to become a ticking time bomb now.
Yes we are second in the league, the best we've done since Fergie, but with the money we have spent, it's expected that we should be there or thereabouts.
My issue is we have good players, yet they are held back due to fear of losing.
We look uninterested as a team at points (But in reality, if our players look at how the top teams in Europe play, wouldn't you be pissed off?)
We have some exceptional attacking players, and Klopp or Pep in charge of them would make them look another level (Sterling, Mane, Salah etc)
One thing I can thank Jose for, is some of the talent he has brought in (Although media reports sounds like they are wanting to leave if he stays!)
If we were to bring Poch or somebody in, we have the players that Managers would want to work with, so at least that part wouldn't be a rebuild job.
He's finishing top 3 at least, so he'll stay, I just think this is about to become a ticking time bomb now.
No, I have to question Pogba who is dogshit last 6 months. And even that can be tolerated if you try on the pitch, he doesn't.
So true. With the caliber of players we've got, we should be doing much more.
Sure it did.
Of course Pogba has part of the blame.
But you have to question a manager that can't get his signings to perform. Especially when the manager is asking for a lot more money.
You know that hope is what kills you. Might as well just expect awful football that way you don't take it very hard when it happens next season, and if we do play some good footy than that will be a very welcomed surprise.
Of course you can question a manager, and in the hindsight this was a probably a bad call 2 years ago. Pogba had his chance, he and his agent blew it. It happens in every club.
The most important thing is that this can be easily corrected, and looking at today's market, we can probably get more money for him.
Too many players in this team are just not good enough for this level. But at least they try, that's bare fecking minimum. Pogba doesn't. And that's inexcusable.
You are not wrong.
I really liked that Jose, and had Fergie suddenly announced his retirement at that time I’d have longed for him to come to United.
The fact that the team spirit is currently so good, at least when they’re really up against it, must mean that either Jose isn’t as miserable when he’s alone with them, or that the players actually have a good deal of professional pride and maybe even love the club.
Young and Fellaini would be back up players and we offered Martial a contract. With that said, there is no actual proof he wants to sell Pogba or Martial.
Since SAF retired, there’s been a complacency with the whole club.
There’s been no passion or willingness to fight for the cause.
I see signs of Mourinho desperately trying to get that fight and passion back into the players. Some of them just aren’t up to it. There’s gonna be some tears come summer with exits. But on the brightside, we might actually get some players in with the right attitude.
There’s been no passion or willingness to fight for the cause.
I see signs of Mourinho desperately trying to get that fight and passion back into the players. Some of them just aren’t up to it. There’s gonna be some tears come summer with exits. But on the brightside, we might actually get some players in with the right attitude.
Agreed...probably the best and less painful way to think!!
This is where I'm at too. There have been so many false dawns and everytime you expect something the team let us down. Perhaps we should just lower our expectations under this current manager and team. That way the pain is reduced when we do fail. I'm just resigned to whatever happens. There's apathy within the fanbase. I wasn't surprised that we lost against WBA and I won't be surprised if it happens again. Years ago I would've been fuming at a performance like that but now it's just apathy. I wasn't angry at all. The football is shocking and hasn't improved at all in these last 2 seasons. I'm not looking forward to the summer signings and I'm not looking forward to next season either. Any good football is a welcome surprise.
Some of you are ridiculous. Reading this thread, you would think we're in a relegation scrap. I, too, was annoyed with that horrendous match on Sunday but I dont get where this doom and gloom mood arises from. We're in a very good position to keep building - I dont know if Mourinho can get us playing the football we'd all like but if he strengthens in certain areas, I have no doubts that we'll be challenging for the league.
The best (and right) attitude I have seen on here so far from a United fan (surprise surprise it’s an “old manc” says it all really).
Some of your fans here are either clueless about the sport or plain naive as fook. What part of - United have been shite in transfers and strategy practically since SAF was here in the last part of his tenure do you not understand? You are still fixing that mess and are nowhere where you think you ought to be right now.
Your manager ought to have sold most of these players and started again. The fact that he’s won you something and has you above the 2nd&3rd best teams ever (joke) makes him a genius. But go on and sack him, see where you end up.
For context (you know this is the reason you are crying) Pep didn’t just walk into the job and turn them into a success.
a. they installed his DoF mate from Barca days way beforehand to “prepare the way” for him AND he wasn’t a runaway success anyway.
b. Spent more than anyone in the whole league and won zilch last year. Was he questioned? Yes. Did their fan base shite the bed?
How many finals did Klopp win for Liverpool? Yet he is revered. Poch etc. I digress.
Think on that for a bit.
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Spot fecking on.
All of this comes down to 1 factor for me: can he keep us outperforming our performances. XG is not everyone's cup of tea, but we are 16 points better than what our xG suggests. Only other team near that os Burnley. Our fellow top 6 are much more in line.
All that means is that we are incredibly efficient at scoring from limited chances, and De Gea is the best in the league. If either of these revert closer to average - we're f*cked.
And history suggests that will happen.
All that means is that we are incredibly efficient at scoring from limited chances, and De Gea is the best in the league. If either of these revert closer to average - we're f*cked.
And history suggests that will happen.
More doom.. It's not a crime to have a good goalkeeper. Who cares about winning the xG league anyways.
How about looking at it from another perspective. We've built and added more and more good players each year under Mourinho. Talent like Rashford, Lingard and Martial has been better this year than before - and the team has a better understanding of each other now.
If he succeeds next year, then everything's been going according to plan - If not, we still have a strong squad with lots of good profile for another manager to work his magic with.
That's one of those rare instances when some stupid stat actually doesn't fail an eye test. You don't need to walk far to see that even our winning streak against top sides (Chelsea, Liverpool, City we've pretty much scored from only chances we had all game) is down to incredible level of efficiency when in front of goal. In fact, it is going to be very tough to keep up with putting every opportunity away you have consistently in order to stand a chance of winning. Enormous pressure on players that.
Or, we will bring better players, create more, score more, concede less.
Just a thought.
I hope so given that he will stay for another year anyway, but currently it's just a hope not based on anything substantial as far as I can see it.
We may as well lose Martail and Pogba this summer too due to his inability to bring the best out of their talents, which will then take us to square one.
Except he said he isn't looking at attacking players.
xG melts my head but I can understand shots and saves so I looked those stats up.
De Gea has made the sixth highest amount of saves in the league. Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and City are in the 16th through to 20th places, respectively.
We're also in 6th place when it comes to shots at the opposition goal. The five clubs just mentioned are all ahead of us in this particular table. By quite a margin (53 shot gap between 1st and 5th, 83 shot gap between 5th and 6th
) Unsurprisingly, they're also all ahead of us in terms of "big chances missed". City, Liverpool and Arsenal have all hit the woodwork more than us (Spurs the same amount)Full credit to our strikers for being efficient and Dave for being Dave but the overall balance of play is not what you'd expect from a team that is allegedly the second best in the country. All the other "big teams" are getting at the opposition keeper more than we are and protecting their own keeper better than us. Points on the board are great but there's every indication we've been flattering to deceive at both ends of the pitch.
Who has he got playing well?
xG melts my head but I can understand shots and saves so I looked those stats up.
De Gea has made the sixth highest amount of saves in the league. Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and City are in the 16th through to 20th places, respectively.
We're also in 6th place when it comes to shots at the opposition goal. The five clubs just mentioned are all ahead of us in this particular table. By quite a margin (53 shot gap between 1st and 5th, 83 shot gap between 5th and 6th
Full credit to our strikers for being efficient and Dave for being Dave but the overall balance of play is not what you'd expect from a team that is allegedly the second best in the country. All the other "big teams" are getting at the opposition keeper more than we are and protecting their own keeper better than us. Points on the board are great but there's every indication we've been flattering to deceive at both ends of the pitch.
It's kind of weird in that it's been a bit of a problem for years. I'm struggling to think of the last time we had an outfield player who could've been described as being one of the league's best players in their respective year. Probably RVP, in 12-13. And unlike us other clubs have had players who've been among the league's top performers in years they've not really been close to winning the title: Salah this year, Kane consistently for Spurs, Sanchez for Arsenal, and Aguero generally performs very well for City and has had a good record even in years where they've been poor. You could argue it both ways in respect to Mourinho: that he's got a meddling team performing to a higher level than they should be, or he's not managed to build a particularly impressive side for the money he's spent.
Almost all of them at various times in various games...if he was the one telling them to play this sh*t why is the one dropping them for being this sh*t.....! And the fact they play great half here half there will be frustrating him as much as us. His legacy in many ways rests with this group and quite frankly this group is letting him and the shirt down. The best thing we can do is let him weed out those who think they'll outlast him playing poorly...and show them and all others they wont!
Feck knows. But what I do know is that the stats I just dug out paint a pretty grim picture.
I've been a bit obsessed about shots on goal since the grim days of Van Gaal's final season. For the record, we finished 15th (
) in the shots table in that season!Our individual shots stats are interesting. Sanchez is our highest player, in 6th place (top 5 are, in order: Kane, Salah, Aguero, Richarlison, Eriksen) I can only assume Alexis racked up most of his shots in an Arsenal shirt (including a whole bunch against us!) Lukaku is right behind him, in 7th place. After that we have to go all the way back to 23rd for the next United player (Pogba) and then on to 38th place for our next representative (Rashford)
Which 18/19/20 year old boys has he developed into great players?
His constant moaning about everyone else is tiresome.
Btw, among all the shock at our peformance levels oscillating so much, it is forgotten that City could have easily battered us in that game. As brilliant as that day was they were easily the better team and their wastefulness and our clinical touch in the second half played a big part.
Pogba, Martial, Shaw and possibly Rashford all have uncertain futures. They must all be crap mate... No other explanation for it.
Sure. Everyone would appreciate that.
I think people forget that. It was a great comeback and win. But we should have lost 5-0. Sterling kept us in the game with poor finishing. They hit the post a few times. Young should have got a red card and conceded a penalty. Good win but City should have been out of sight in the first half.
Yet we spent 90 million which was the record fee at the time on him. For such a huge fee our midfield should be absolutely magnificent and dominant.
Yeah, City was a one off. Play that game again another 10 times and we lose 9 of them.
To be fair, though, the Liverpool performance was much more comfortable and - with hindsight - the more impressive achievement.
Exactly this - tis all the xG really says. Our points don't align with the attacking/ defending performances. Either you believe we can consistently differ from all other teams in this regard, or we're in for some serious regression to the mean.
It makes no sense to me why - obviously knowing all this - Jose continues to throttle us.
Dont tell me you forgot, when he was reading that list 2 years ago of players he gave a debut as proof of youth development and trust
ChristTo be fair, the fact our goal is getting constantly peppered would explain why he continues to throttle us. If we can’t protect our goal playing conservatively we’ll be absolutely ripped apart if we play more expansively.
Of course, none of this takes away from the simple fact that it’s 100% the manager’s job to makes us effective at both ends of the pitch. Two years and hundreds of millions of pounds later he still hasn’t managed this. And that’s a problem.
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