There's no real defensive identity either with the number of chances we concede and the opponent's corner kicks are close to penalties. Mou's great in the transfer market but what happens on the pitch is poor.
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There's no real defensive identity either with the number of chances we concede and the opponent's corner kicks are close to penalties. Mou's great in the transfer market but what happens on the pitch is poor.
How can people stick up for Jose, he has had 2 years and lots of cash but i dont see a huge improvement on our style of football. Its so boring and predictable to watch and you know that if pogba, sanchez martial were playing for another top club they would flourish
Hope he is off in the summer,the fact that we might lose Martial and/or Pogba over Mourinho (who will most likely only be here 1 more season max) is very disturbing to me.
Rather see Mourinho gone,dont think he will take us any further,doesnt matter who he buys in the summer as he is failing to get the best out of the players he has already bought.Giving him another 200mill to spend in the summer would be a bad move imo.
Rather see Mourinho gone,dont think he will take us any further,doesnt matter who he buys in the summer as he is failing to get the best out of the players he has already bought.Giving him another 200mill to spend in the summer would be a bad move imo.
I'm still optimistic tbh.
It is a bit different. We were worse than his Real and Chelsea teams when he took over, and the league's Top 6 is far stronger now as well.
Tell you what, why don’t you lot fly a banner? starting next home game; show the world what the new united support looks like. SAF would never have survived his first two years with you miserable lot.
You lot cream yourselves over Pep - did city fans call for his sack last season when he won them fook all?
I see people creaming themselves over Poch. What’s he won?
Klopp: 2 finals at Liverpool and won sweet old fa.
Some people even want Tuchel ffs.
The mordern football fan is an utter utter joke. Surprised to see somebody old boys joining in the bed wetting as well. Fook me.
You lot cream yourselves over Pep - did city fans call for his sack last season when he won them fook all?
I see people creaming themselves over Poch. What’s he won?
Klopp: 2 finals at Liverpool and won sweet old fa.
Some people even want Tuchel ffs.
The mordern football fan is an utter utter joke. Surprised to see somebody old boys joining in the bed wetting as well. Fook me.
Einstein's criticising our style of football, or lack there of.
No, Jose, it doesn't take a genius that we look rudderless and ultimately it's down to you to sort it out.
This team is so woefully set up to play at any kind of speed. Not that there are many slow players but the setup is all wrong.
The left winger needs a pass behind him on his preferred right foot, those playing CAM and right wing need the ball in front of the defence.
Even the left fullback needs to check-back to his right foot, something that almost no team does and really slows the game down.
Matic plays it slow and Pogba's knowledge of managing tempo has been well discussed.
Smalling needs to take two or three steps to adjust himself to make a pass to the fullbacks.
Valencia is ponderous and Herrera has a knack of having decided to pass it straight back to the passer even though there are options in front of him.
The pace of passing is also slow, players wait for the ball and receive it, as mentioned before, behind them.
All of this seems coachable, all of this has not been improved one bit under Mourinho.
The left winger needs a pass behind him on his preferred right foot, those playing CAM and right wing need the ball in front of the defence.
Even the left fullback needs to check-back to his right foot, something that almost no team does and really slows the game down.
Matic plays it slow and Pogba's knowledge of managing tempo has been well discussed.
Smalling needs to take two or three steps to adjust himself to make a pass to the fullbacks.
Valencia is ponderous and Herrera has a knack of having decided to pass it straight back to the passer even though there are options in front of him.
The pace of passing is also slow, players wait for the ball and receive it, as mentioned before, behind them.
All of this seems coachable, all of this has not been improved one bit under Mourinho.
Our lack of direction and lack of identity on the pitch is so obvious. Even commentators have realised that we don't really have a plan. It's a team of individuals sent out without any sort of direction.
What a shit post.
Yeah he wanted Perisic. Doesn't mean he still wants him. He also signed young players in Lukaku, Bailly and Lindelof.
Man City also had Aguero and Silva in their team. Funny how you leave those names out.
SEVERAL managers have wuestioned Luke Shaw’s commitment and fitness. Not just Mourinho. How does Mourinho not see the value in Rashford and Martial? Especialy Rashford?
Yeah, trying to work out how to stop Liverpool and Man City. And then beating both.
Who said he gave up on Rashford and Martial?
I usually like to give Managers a chance, given the way things turned out with SAF, but I think he was a one off. There seemed to be something amiss with Jose last season, I thought it was down to his Dads illness, but maybe the board have insisted he conducts himself in a certain way. Either way, I see no passion, no intensity and no belief. I used to be excited watching us play, now odds are I will fall asleep.
You know the team's in trouble when he says he's had a 'full week to work with the players' in his pre-match press conference.
Dossiers and utterly useless details on how Salomon Rondon and Jay Rodriguez need to be stopped at all costs - and how everyone in our listless three man-midfield (and back four) need to watch the counter-attacks the set-plays and the free-kicks.
I always thought OT would be the graveyard for Mourinho because his obsession with dismantling the opposition first and playing attacking football later would always bring a surfeit of safe, efficent, positional dross where the players heads would be filled with too much 'opposition' information and not enough on how to create fast, passing combinations outside the other team's box when the heat is really on.
He should be given another season to see if he can find that much-needed tempo that has almost vanished from OT. But, ultimately, many of us knew what we were getting from him. Deep, defensive spring, turnover, transitions, meandering counter attacks, soulless football, a breathtaking lack of vision and points eked out like blood from a stone.
He could become the man who haunted himself if this carries on next season.
Dossiers and utterly useless details on how Salomon Rondon and Jay Rodriguez need to be stopped at all costs - and how everyone in our listless three man-midfield (and back four) need to watch the counter-attacks the set-plays and the free-kicks.
I always thought OT would be the graveyard for Mourinho because his obsession with dismantling the opposition first and playing attacking football later would always bring a surfeit of safe, efficent, positional dross where the players heads would be filled with too much 'opposition' information and not enough on how to create fast, passing combinations outside the other team's box when the heat is really on.
He should be given another season to see if he can find that much-needed tempo that has almost vanished from OT. But, ultimately, many of us knew what we were getting from him. Deep, defensive spring, turnover, transitions, meandering counter attacks, soulless football, a breathtaking lack of vision and points eked out like blood from a stone.
He could become the man who haunted himself if this carries on next season.
His excuses and attempts to distance himself from poor performance is bullshit. At the same time there’s no real justification for not continuing with him.
It’s a difficult situation for Woodward and he needs to ensure that Mourinho doesn’t spend recklessly this summer with on players who haven’t got long left at their best.
It’s a difficult situation for Woodward and he needs to ensure that Mourinho doesn’t spend recklessly this summer with on players who haven’t got long left at their best.
For those bemused at the lack of appreciation and complete support for where Jose appears to be taking us, I think you need to ask - who appears to be the biggest threat to Pep's City for next season?
It could be us. But glancing at the details, for me, it's Klopp's Liverpool. And that's part of the reason why people are not gushing over a possible 2nd place trophy (it's bloody meaningless). Yes we are 2nd but looking at the direction all the challengers are headed Liverpool seem to have the cohesion, the style and as seen with a top 4 finish + CL heroics (and beating City in the league) some substance too. And they're barely any distance behind us in the league too where apparently we've struck gold in the eyes of some.
Behind the tiny lead we have over them in the super exciting 2nd best to city title race, there's the fact that they have signed Manez Salah, the bloody Ox, Firmino, VVD, Karius and Robertson under Klopp. We've signed Sanchez, Pogba, Mkhitarian, Lindelof, Matic, Lukaku and Bailey. Who is able to fit their buys into their system better and get more out of them?
I cant see based on the above how anyone can pretend Jose has done an incredible job or that is position is beyond reproach. Met the basic requirements? Sure. Made progress? Yeah. But merely that isn't enough. I'd keep him but he's on thin ground for me.
It could be us. But glancing at the details, for me, it's Klopp's Liverpool. And that's part of the reason why people are not gushing over a possible 2nd place trophy (it's bloody meaningless). Yes we are 2nd but looking at the direction all the challengers are headed Liverpool seem to have the cohesion, the style and as seen with a top 4 finish + CL heroics (and beating City in the league) some substance too. And they're barely any distance behind us in the league too where apparently we've struck gold in the eyes of some.
Behind the tiny lead we have over them in the super exciting 2nd best to city title race, there's the fact that they have signed Manez Salah, the bloody Ox, Firmino, VVD, Karius and Robertson under Klopp. We've signed Sanchez, Pogba, Mkhitarian, Lindelof, Matic, Lukaku and Bailey. Who is able to fit their buys into their system better and get more out of them?
I cant see based on the above how anyone can pretend Jose has done an incredible job or that is position is beyond reproach. Met the basic requirements? Sure. Made progress? Yeah. But merely that isn't enough. I'd keep him but he's on thin ground for me.
Liverpool are also getting Keita who will be a good signing. He will also be able to get players because they play good football and there is a buzz around the club. Who wants to sign for us to play like we are? Jose and Ed are really going to need to work hard to convince players we are the club to come to and not just for the money.
I don’t particularly want him but who’s available who’s any better? The football is crap and we’re patheically losing to teams we should beat. He doesn’t even have a best XI yet. He’ll get all of next season barring a complete meltdown, but we’ll probably be looking at a more progressive manager unless there’s an incredible improvement over the summer.
Better to keep him for as long as possible because there is no one to replace him.
What a grim reason to keep a manager.
Logically the only reason you would keep a manager, no?
Not because you think he's going to win titles or we play great football?
I see your point though.
Some posters on here would rather see the entire squad sold before criticising Mourinho.
The sooner he goes the better.
This is one of the worst coached Manchester United sides that I have ever seen.
Our play (if you can call it that) is completely unstructured. Embarrassingly so.
I watched that game yesterday and all I could think was that the players had given up on Mourinho. He’s lost the ability to motivate them.
Needs another poll option. Sack Him in December if United are out of the title race by then and are dwindling between 5th & 7th. He would have had the whole summer and all the time to tweak the team. And if United play the same way we have this season then he should be sacked.
There has been progress only in terms of results but he has made watching United a chore. There were countless people up in arms over LvG's type of football and Jose has done no better in that department.
If we lose next week, we will end up trophy less and shit football.All our eyes will be on the CL hoping against hope that Liverpool do not win the CL and turn United's season from a ok season to a worse one.
Please win the FA Cup Jose.
There has been progress only in terms of results but he has made watching United a chore. There were countless people up in arms over LvG's type of football and Jose has done no better in that department.
If we lose next week, we will end up trophy less and shit football.All our eyes will be on the CL hoping against hope that Liverpool do not win the CL and turn United's season from a ok season to a worse one.
Please win the FA Cup Jose.
I have to say if he talks to the players and exudes that miserable mood like he does in the press conferences it wouldn't surprise me they would find it hard to be motivated by him. Wonder how many times he tells them he's won multiple titles in multiple leagues. Must get a bit boring after a while.....
That doesn't sound right, just last week we made a great come back. It's not that the players have given up on him, but they might certainly be pissed with his attitude of getting all praises and talking well about himself and selling the team in the post match interviews.
He has certainly screwed with Martial and Rashford and brought their confidence down by benching them even after a goal scoring run. All this will add up, but at this moment they haven't yet given up on hi but it certainly is a possibility in the future if we play the same way.
You cannot tell that Sanchez who was the main man at Arsenal is a bad football player. It is all tactics. Martial had a wonderful season in his first here and has shown what he can do and so can Rashford. We have all the talent in the team and but they cannot gel with each other and Jose is at fault for that.
Right, he's not getting sacked or walking as we got the top 4, so we will at least see him for another season here.
I'm not sure he will completely implode like he did at Chelsea but I can't see us winning The Premier League either.
Those of us that want him gone will just have to put up with shite football for next couple of years or so.
I'm not sure he will completely implode like he did at Chelsea but I can't see us winning The Premier League either.
Those of us that want him gone will just have to put up with shite football for next couple of years or so.
I just don't see us improving next season. It doesn't matter if we buy better FB's, I still dotn trust Jose to have them attack. Guys like Sidibe are not better defenders than Valencia, so unless Jose unleashes the new RB for example, we're in the same or worse position there.
He cannot get the best out of the players he's signed, I have no faith in another batch of signings being any different.
Liverpool vs City for the title next season as long as Jose is here - we'll be battling Spurs and a rejuvenated Chelsea with a new manager, for 3rd and 4th place.
He cannot get the best out of the players he's signed, I have no faith in another batch of signings being any different.
Liverpool vs City for the title next season as long as Jose is here - we'll be battling Spurs and a rejuvenated Chelsea with a new manager, for 3rd and 4th place.
Mourinho hasn't improved our style of play? Have I just gone into an alternate reality?
Watching LVG was torture. Have people forgotten the month of death that was December 2015. We got humiliated in the CL group stages (far worse than the Sevilla game), and failed to win a single game. It was pathetic performance after pathetic performance against bang average teams.
Under Mourinho we try to attack and aren't that good at it. Under LVG we didn't even try to attack, we'd keep the ball for a whole 45 minutes without doing anything with it regularly.
Watching LVG was torture. Have people forgotten the month of death that was December 2015. We got humiliated in the CL group stages (far worse than the Sevilla game), and failed to win a single game. It was pathetic performance after pathetic performance against bang average teams.
Under Mourinho we try to attack and aren't that good at it. Under LVG we didn't even try to attack, we'd keep the ball for a whole 45 minutes without doing anything with it regularly.
How many players can we genuinely say have played well for an extended period of time? Especially looking at attacking players, has anyone other than Zlatan looked fully convincing?
People can criticise the players all they want, but there’s perhaps a reason why none of our attackers can put a consistent run of form together.
I’d happily see him sacked before he fecks off some very talented players because they don’t ‘get’ Mourinho’s game.
That seems to be the overwhelming consensus. I'm not sure what we're supposed to be seeing on that pitch. There's no cohesion, structure, or any semblance of a plan.
Compared to City, Liverpool, and Tottenham, we play like a division 2 team. It's a chore to watch and fans are falling asleep, booing, leaving the games in droves before the final whistle, or - worst of all - appear almost groggy watching the awful football on the pitch.
I'm with you here. It's as if the team is not even being coached. Everything about the way we are set up screams incompetence.
Many games under Mourinho have also been torture. Yesterday's, for instance.
Mourinho "truly trusts" only Lukaku, Mata, Young, Sanchez & Matic. Bar Lukaku the rest are 25+ some closer to 30.
Then he buys Sanchez. Who has looked awful since he arrived apart from that game vs City.
He doesn't believe he can trust young players like Shaw, Martial and Rashford. - Young players are inconsistent. They won't always be perfect. Like Sterling/Sane but Pep still puts his faith in them.
He also signed young players in Lindelof. - Lindolof a player who he hardly trusts or uses consistently. He trusts Smalling that's why he plays considerably more than him. Lindolof has not developed at all.
Man City also had Aguero and Silva in their team. Funny how you leave those names out. - I'm not sure you understand the original point. Mourinho feels like he can only trust Lukaku, Mata, Young, Sanchez & Matic. I am looking at the difference between how both clubs and how they handle young players. Sterling does not get dropped for missing a few open goals. While Shaw has been bullied and publically singled out.
Both Aguero and Silva are playing better than Mourinho's new signing Sanchez. He can't even get a tune out of the players he buys. De Gea for POTY again?
I accept managers have different methods but Mourinho's don't bare fruit. If a few players were doing well under him then I would be ok with it. Mourinho has improved no one and his signings have not been that successful. Bar De Gea who would get in the team of the season.
Yeah, trying to work out how to stop Liverpool and Man City. And then beating both. - beating City/Liverpool to lose to 20th place West Brom. If winning big games wins you a title that would be great. Winning or challenging for PL/CL you need consistency and good performance level which we don't have under Mourinho. Just look at Sevilla, West Brom and Spurs away.
You have to look at the bigger picture not just the results. We might be 2nd in the table but I think Liverpool are in a better position than us to complete next season.
So by your logic United doesn't have consistency, but somehow is still ahead of everyone but one team in the table, including those teams that you claim have better consistency. I'm sorry, but 20 years of domination has attracted way too many fickle fans and moaners.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...o-watch-in-parts-this-season-says-paul-merson
Think it's the first time I've ever agreed with Paul Merson.
Think it's the first time I've ever agreed with Paul Merson.
Yeah he's actually spot on here in fairness
Good grief. Consistency in performance level. Is it that really that hard to understand?
Why is being ahead of everyone but one team significant - It's good to finish as high as possible but does it any bearing on next season? I don't think so.
CFC are 5th but does that mean they can't have a better season than any of the teams currently above them now? - They had a bad season under Mourinho and won the league the following year. Being 2nd does not have a significant bearing on the next campaign.
I look at Utd and see a team with more questions than answers.Liverpool look 1-3 players away from challenging City. We look lost with no identity. We are good a getting big wins but I don't think our style of football is conducive to winning a league title.
Fickle Fans and moaners - Mate we all watch football on a regular basis. If you think Utd are better than Liverpool, Spurs and etc because we are 2nd good. I look at the players moral, the style of play, the fluidity in the system. How many players are thriving and enjoying themselves. The football at Utd is tumescent. Teams below play better football.
These are not 'fickle fan' views they are justificable observations. Why not engage with me critically and we can discuss the points you disagree with me on.
I’m resigned to that fact mate.
I was so excited when we replaced LVG with Mourinho. That excitement has been replaced with complete apathy.
I have read and heard that sentiment many times. Whats gets me is that a lot of people seem surprised that Mourinho is Mourinho, if you value attacking, risk taking football, Mourinho is not the manager to back. Seems as if there were a lot of people fantasizing that he would change out of some romanticized idea of how much he wanted the job.
There is nothing that has happened in his 2 years in charge that was difficult to see coming. He will get results, but the football will be dour, his attitude will be aggravating and the whole experience is rather hollow. Give him enough to spend and he will produce a successful team, in his image, but be ready to hold your nose.
Totally on point!
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