Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[United_We_Stand]

“If I play a player against Bournemouth and the player is phenomenal, he will play in the semi-final, so it is not rotating, because rotating looks like a player that plays against Bournemouth is to give a rest to somebody that is going to play against Spurs in the semi-final.

“So the word is not rotation, it is an opportunity for some people to play and to try to get a place in the team against Spurs and some of the guys that played today [against West Brom] don't have a place in that team.

“What is the criteria for a manager to choose a team? I only know one criteria, the way they play. It is the only way I can select players, or do you want me to go for the price they cost, or their salary, or their beautiful face, or... [no], the only way is to go with performance.”

 

[haram]

Mourinho "truly trusts" only Lukaku, Mata, Young, Sanchez & Matic. Bar Lukaku the rest are 25+ some closer to 30.

Then he buys Sanchez. Who has looked awful since he arrived apart from that game vs City.

He doesn't believe he can trust young players like Shaw, Martial and Rashford. - Young players are inconsistent. They won't always be perfect. Like Sterling/Sane but Pep still puts his faith in them.

He also signed young players in Lindelof. - Lindolof a player who he hardly trusts or uses consistently. He trusts Smalling that's why he plays considerably more than him. Lindolof has not developed at all.

Man City also had Aguero and Silva in their team. Funny how you leave those names out. - I'm not sure you understand the original point. Mourinho feels like he can only trust Lukaku, Mata, Young, Sanchez & Matic. I am looking at the difference between how both clubs and how they handle young players. Sterling does not get dropped for missing a few open goals. While Shaw has been bullied and publically singled out.

Both Aguero and Silva are playing better than Mourinho's new signing Sanchez. He can't even get a tune out of the players he buys. De Gea for POTY again?

I accept managers have different methods but Mourinho's don't bare fruit. If a few players were doing well under him then I would be ok with it. Mourinho has improved no one and his signings have not been that successful. Bar De Gea who would get in the team of the season.

Yeah, trying to work out how to stop Liverpool and Man City. And then beating both. - beating City/Liverpool to lose to 20th place West Brom. If winning big games wins you a title that would be great. Winning or challenging for PL/CL you need consistency and good performance level which we don't have under Mourinho. Just look at Sevilla, West Brom and Spurs away.

You have to look at the bigger picture not just the results. We might be 2nd in the table but I think Liverpool are in a better position than us to complete next season.

Another shit post.

Where are you getting these names from? Did he say these things himself? Using facts we can refer to the number of games Rashford has been involved in. Or the fact that he ‘trusted’ McTominay in big games. Or the amount of games Lingard plays.

Yeah, Aguero and Silva are playing better than Sanchez. They are also playing better than most of the league. Sanchez was playing poorly at Arsenal this season, period. He still needs time to adapt to our team as well. The comparison of Aguero and Sanchez is a fecking shit one.

You cant just change the point in regards to beating Liverpool and City. You said he was too busy trying to stop those teams. Which he did. Now you want to bring up West Brom. Teams like West Brom have been taking points off us at home all season haven't they?

Mourinho has improved no one? That is just complete bollocks. Lukaku has been a success. Matic has been a success.

Yes, the great Liverpool are better than us, of course.

Pathetic. You’re talking a load of shit.

 

[Jig1234]

Totally on point!

Thanks mate.

Fresh quotes from Mourinho have just surfaced. He makes some great points touching on some of my points:



Agree with everything Mourinho says here. But we need to see that reflected on the pitch. Players expressing themselves. Looking free to go forward and attack.

I hope we see that midweek vs Bournemouth. I would love to see Rashford and Martial play well and earn a start vs Spurs... I'll be at the game at Wembley. I hope we impose ourselves and get to another FA Cup Final!

 

[Canagel]

I’m resigned to that fact mate.

I was so excited when we replaced LVG with Mourinho. That excitement has been replaced with complete apathy.

I'm just going through the motions until he goes. Wasn't even shocked that we lost to WBA. Just resignation. There's just nothing to lift us to be more optimistic for next season. I'm not looking forward to the summer either. Does it matter who we sign anymore? We'll make them look shite within 2 months.

 

[Jig1234]

Another shit post.

Where are you getting these names from? Did he say these things himself? Using facts we can refer to the number of games Rashford has been involved in. Or the fact that he ‘trusted’ McTominay in big games. Or the amount of games Lingard plays.

Yeah, Aguero and Silva are playing better than Sanchez. They are also playing better than most of the league. Sanchez was playing poorly at Arsenal this season, period. He still needs time to adapt to our team as well. The comparison of Aguero and Sanchez is a fecking shit one.

You cant just change the point in regards to beating Liverpool and City. You said he was too busy trying to stop those teams. Which he did. Now you want to bring up West Brom. Teams like West Brom have been taking points off us at home all season haven't they?

Mourinho has improved no one? That is just complete bollocks. Lukaku has been a success. Matic has been a success.

Yes, the great Liverpool are better than us, of course.

Pathetic. You’re talking a load of shit.

If you can't discuss football without using expletives. There is no point continuing with this debate with you. Lazy to just say 'Shit' all the time.

 

[Canagel]

This list of players Mourinho "fully trusts" Makes me nauseous!

Bar Lukaku. The rest are 25+/ or over 30.

This is a joke if true. Young, Mata and Sanchez? Really? Sanchez has been massive let down since he came. His arrival destroyed Martial, Rashford and Pogba's seasons. Martial in particular. He was our player of the month in January and had scored in 3 consecutive matches. I feel sorry for him because he was out of the team at the start but worked himself into the team and just as we were building momentum we sign Sanchez and stick him on the left were we had no issues whatsoever. Matic and Lukaku should not be untouchables either. I really fear the worst if we keep these group of players as the main guys and get rid of our younger talented players.

 

[Hercules]

If you can't discuss football without using expletives. There is no point continuing with this debate with you. Lazy to just say 'Shit' all the time.

Given that this was the first sentence you were after. No point to discuss if you aint bashing Jose. Way to go.

 

[Jig1234]

This is a

This is a joke if true. Young, Mata and Sanchez? Really? Sanchez has been massive let down since he came. His arrival destroyed Martial, Rashford and Pogba's seasons. Martial in particular. He was our player of the month in January and had scored in 3 consecutive matches. I feel sorry for him because he was out of the team at the start but worked himself into the team and just as we were building momentum we sign Sanchez and stick him on the left were we had no issues whatsoever. Matic and Lukaku should not be untouchables either. I really fear the worst if we keep these group of players as the main guys and get rid of our younger talented players.

Young is the one that makes me wanna cry. I respect Young he has been a great servant and is a good professional but let's be honest he is not an adequate LB for Utd.

We should have marauding full-backs bombing forward, crossing the ball to Lukaku. Full-backs are so fundamental. I think we have slipped in our standards on that front. We used to Neville, Irwin and Evra. Valencia-Young don't have the required quality.

 

[Z1L3]

Good grief. Consistency in performance level. Is it that really that hard to understand?

Why is being ahead of everyone but one team significant - It's good to finish as high as possible but does it any bearing on next season? I don't think so.

Are you seriously asking why being ahead of other teams is a good thing? How is not having a better table position suddenly not important? What does it mean for the next season - maybe it shows that the team is getting better and could get even better results in the future?

CFC are 5th but does that mean they can't have a better season than any of the teams currently above them now? - They had a bad season under Mourinho and won the league the following year. Being 2nd does not have a significant bearing on the next campaign.

They had a bad season under Jose because of non-football issues. It's a team that he built, which finished 3rd, 1st, had a bad season and then finished 1st again. So he did a pretty good job, and it shows that there was a progression there under him, wouldn't you say?

I look at Utd and see a team with more questions than answers.Liverpool look 1-3 players away from challenging City. We look lost with no identity. We are good a getting big wins but I don't think our style of football is conducive to winning a league title.

Liverpool have had plenty of games where they lost to smaller teams, actually more than United, which is why they are below United in the table. And by the way, there have been Liverpool fans this season asking for Klopp's head as well.

Fickle Fans and moaners - Mate we all watch football on a regular basis. If you think Utd are better than Liverpool, Spurs and etc because we are 2nd good. I look at the players moral, the style of play, the fluidity in the system. How many players are thriving and enjoying themselves. The football at Utd is tumescent. Teams below play better football.

Yeah, players thriving and losing and winning no trophies. Spurs are the prime example of a team that never does anything except look good when they bottle it when it really matters. If that's what you want, go hire Pochettino and see how fast that will go out of fashion.

These are not 'fickle fan' views they are justificable observations. Why not engage with me critically and we can discuss the points you disagree with me on.

I did, and I'm doing it again. If anything, I think I use logic while many others here fly very high after a big win and fall way too low after a bad performance.

 

[R'hllor]

What on earth are those quotes, how he can be so much full of shit with straight face on!? Who he is trying to fool? Nothing to do with age he said, so thats why McT got dropped after good game vs Liverpool in one of most important games of the season vs Sevilla for just out of injury player in Fellaini!? Or after scoring 2 vs Liverpool Rashford was shifted on right, his unfavor position vs Sevilla, guess that decision by JM was also good for consistency

On top, this players who dont have a good game vs Bournemouth will not play vs Spurs, cant wait for that to see.

 

[Jig1234]

What on earth are those quotes, how he can be so much full of shit with straight face on!? Who he is trying to fool? Nothing to do with age he said, so thats why McT got dropped after good game vs Liverpool in one of most important games of the season vs Sevilla for just out of injury player in Fellaini!? Or after scoring 2 vs Liverpool Rashford was shifted on right, his unfavor position vs Sevilla, guess that decision by JM was also good for consistency

On top, this players who dont have a good game vs Bournemouth will not play vs Spurs, cant wait for that to see.

Good for moral. Maybe. He is hoping for a reaction.

 

[Bastian]

For the sake of clarity I think we should have a modified poll (pardon the pun) where there are only two options.

 

[R'hllor]

Good for moral. Maybe. He is hoping for a reaction.

Yea its great alright.

 

[edgar allan]

Thanks mate.

Fresh quotes from Mourinho have just surfaced. He makes some great points touching on some of my points:

Agree with everything Mourinho says here. But we need to see that reflected on the pitch. Players expressing themselves. Looking free to go forward and attack.

I hope we see that midweek vs Bournemouth. I would love to see Rashford and Martial play well and earn a start vs Spurs... I'll be at the game at Wembley. I hope we impose ourselves and get to another FA Cup Final!

Nice one. I am sure it will be a great atmosphere on Saturday.
I don't really believe that there is much that Rashford or Martial could do to displace Sanchez for this game. Lukaku deserves his place for sure but for all his talk he has to continue to select Sanchez to justify his signing. So for me this is more of his idle chat.

 

[Jig1234]

Yea its great alright.

I hope he gets one. I think playing without Rashford and Martial exposes the limitations of Young and Valencia greatly. You can see how bad they are at stretching play and crossing.

 

[Jeffthered]

He's our biggest problem, there's no synergy in our play at all. We look like a national team with 11 strangers on the pitch. We're second in the league due to the high quality of our players.

100% agree

 

[Greck]

What on earth are those quotes, how he can be so much full of shit with straight face on!? Who he is trying to fool? Nothing to do with age he said, so thats why McT got dropped after good game vs Liverpool in one of most important games of the season vs Sevilla for just out of injury player in Fellaini!? Or after scoring 2 vs Liverpool Rashford was shifted on right, his unfavor position vs Sevilla, guess that decision by JM was also good for consistency

On top, this players who dont have a good game vs Bournemouth will not play vs Spurs, cant wait for that to see.

This. Certain players have been allowed to put in shite performances week after week while others get benched after putting in great shifts

Young for example has been at the center of many stupid goals we've conceded since the new year. Don't think he should have gotten a pass for that brainless tackle on aguero either. He shouldn't be anywhere near the trusted players list

 

[Greck]

This list of players Mourinho "fully trusts" Makes me nauseous!

Bar Lukaku. The rest are 25+/ or over 30.

A lot of players who look busy all game but add little as far as their roles are corncerned. The list is only missing valencia and fellaini

 

[Z1L3]

He's our biggest problem, there's no synergy in our play at all. We look like a national team with 11 strangers on the pitch. We're second in the league due to the high quality of our players.

The same players that couldn't make top 4 before he got here. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

It's very convenient that players get the credit for everything that is good, and Jose gets the blame for everything that is bad.

PS: Name which of these "quality" players would start for City, Barcelona, Real, Bayern, even Juventus. Which one would start for the Spurs?!

 

[Hojoon]

The same players that couldn't make top 4 before he got here. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

It's very convenient that players get the credit for everything that is good, and Jose gets the blame for everything that is bad.

Jose deserves credit for bringing in quality players like Pogba, Lukaku, Matic etc. but there's no synergy or identity in our play at all. That's down to the manager, we look like a national team with 11 strangers on the pitch.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Another shit post.

Where are you getting these names from? Did he say these things himself? Using facts we can refer to the number of games Rashford has been involved in. Or the fact that he ‘trusted’ McTominay in big games. Or the amount of games Lingard plays.

Yeah, Aguero and Silva are playing better than Sanchez. They are also playing better than most of the league. Sanchez was playing poorly at Arsenal this season, period. He still needs time to adapt to our team as well. The comparison of Aguero and Sanchez is a fecking shit one.

You cant just change the point in regards to beating Liverpool and City. You said he was too busy trying to stop those teams. Which he did. Now you want to bring up West Brom. Teams like West Brom have been taking points off us at home all season haven't they?

Mourinho has improved no one? That is just complete bollocks. Lukaku has been a success. Matic has been a success.

Yes, the great Liverpool are better than us, of course.

Pathetic. You’re talking a load of shit.

You know a poster doesnt have any sensible points to make when he resorts to hurling expletives.

 

[haram]

You know a poster doesnt have any sensible points to make when he resorts to hurling expletives.

I’ll leave the expletives out of my posts if you want to discuss the points I made?

 

[Ryan7]

This list of players Mourinho "fully trusts" Makes me nauseous!

Bar Lukaku. The rest are 25+/ or over 30.

What article is this from?

 

[Z1L3]

Jose deserves credit for bringing in quality players like Pogba, Lukaku, Matic etc. but there's no synergy or identity in our play at all. That's down to the manager, we look like a national team with 11 strangers on the pitch.

Right. Like I said, he gets no credit, other than bringing in the good players. A horrible manager who is past it and plays boring and horrible football. I get it.

 

[Hojoon]

Right. Like I said, he gets no credit, other than bringing in the good players. A horrible manager who is past it and plays boring and horrible football. I get it.

I don't care whether we play defensive, offensive, or a mixture unlike some others as long as we look like a unit but we don't. There's no synergy in our play.

 

[MDFC Manager]

PS: Name which of these "quality" players would start for City, Barcelona, Real, Bayern, even Juventus. Which one would start for the Spurs?!

Interesting question. A counter question to that: would Mourinho be hired by any of those clubs?

 

[Frings]

Why do I get the feeling some of you secretly hope we lose games so you can sit in this thread and overanalyze everything he says and does? It was a bad performance, and a deserved loss, but everything I've read on this thread in the past day I have read ten times before.

Don't you all have something you do? Or people to hangout with while you wait in hope for another loss on Wednesday?

Saf wouldn't have survived his first few years with some of you lot. Looking for fault even where there's. He's not perfect but let us support him while he's here.

 

[Emrethis]

Thanks mate.

Fresh quotes from Mourinho have just surfaced. He makes some great points touching on some of my points:



Agree with everything Mourinho says here. But we need to see that reflected on the pitch. Players expressing themselves. Looking free to go forward and attack.

I hope we see that midweek vs Bournemouth. I would love to see Rashford and Martial play well and earn a start vs Spurs... I'll be at the game at Wembley. I hope we impose ourselves and get to another FA Cup Final!

Well tbf, Mourinho has a point that age isn't everything. But it shows the limitations with his approach as well. Players are people too, and people develop differently. End of the day, a 18-20 year old is still a young man. Its difficult to play with so much pressure in front of millions and I can understand if it takes some time to get used to it. Some people develop faster than others so I think Mourinho's approach is a bit harsh.

Just because a player isn't professional enough when he's 18-20 years old, doesn't mean he won't be when he's 25. Sometimes people just need some extra time and its unfortunate that more often than not, Mourinho doesn't give them time and I suspect pushes them overboard and hangs them out to dry.

Age doesn't define consistency, but it certainly helps and I think Mourinho is too quick to dismiss and discard players when they're still young.

 

[R'hllor]

You know a poster doesnt have any sensible points to make when he resorts to hurling expletives.

Indeed

 

[King Kana]

Why do I get the feeling some of you secretly hope we lose games so you can sit in this thread and overanalyze everything he says and does? It was a bad performance, and a deserved loss, but everything I've read on this thread in the past day I have read ten times before.

Don't you all have something you do? Or people to hangout with while you wait in hope for another loss on Wednesday?

Saf wouldn't have survived his first few years with some of you lot. Looking for fault even where there's. He's not perfect but let us support him while he's here.

Absolutely spot on. The collective bed wetting and cry babyism on here is cringeworthy. I thought United fans support their manager come what may??

At least that’s what we known about United support. These lot couldn’t support their weight coming down the turnstiles! Fickle Fifa bunch.

 

[DonFerguson]

If you can't discuss football without using expletives. There is no point continuing with this debate with you. Lazy to just say 'Shit' all the time.

You know a poster doesnt have any sensible points to make when he resorts to hurling expletives.

Indeed

Absolutely. It's disturbing to see the amount of distress some of the fanboys on here seem to be under at the slightest criticism of Mourinho, prompting them to go on long expletive-laden rants.

To @Greck 's point, I had to chuckle upon hearing Mourinho talking about consistency when his golden boys have been allowed to put up inconsistent outings with impunity while others get benched even when they're on fantastic runs, simply due to wich he gets along with.

 

[Baxter]

 

[Shark]

Who's this guy?

 

[Baxter]

Who's this guy?

Don’t know, I saw it on twitter and agreed. I’d be very worried if we’re planning on backing Jose to cast out players like Pogba and Martial while certain others can do no wrong.

 

[togg]

I have read and heard that sentiment many times. Whats gets me is that a lot of people seem surprised that Mourinho is Mourinho, if you value attacking, risk taking football, Mourinho is not the manager to back. Seems as if there were a lot of people fantasizing that he would change out of some romanticized idea of how much he wanted the job.

There is nothing that has happened in his 2 years in charge that was difficult to see coming. He will get results, but the football will be dour, his attitude will be aggravating and the whole experience is rather hollow. Give him enough to spend and he will produce a successful team, in his image, but be ready to hold your nose.

Yeah, I knew about him, but I just thought he would buy into the whole United vibe of attacking, exciting football that he seemed to admire so much - that because of what happened at the end of his Chelsea reign he would perhaps understand or realise he needed to adapt his strategy, gameplan, habits (which managers certainly can do). I thought this may come about because of his huge admiration and respect for Ferguson and the way he made his teams play. This, together with Mourinho's undoubted success as a manager, I thought would be a good combination. However, I appear to be wrong about that which is disappointing. However, he isn't about to go anywhere and for the sake of sanity, I'm keeping a small corner of hope that next season we will see more of what we want.

 

[Shark]

Don’t know, I saw it on twitter and agreed. I’d be very worried if we’re planning on backing Jose to cast out players like Pogba and Martial while certain others can do no wrong.

The thing is though, every side aspiring to challenge for the top honors needs solid squad players. The issue is that Young is starting for us now because Shaw has been a disaster, but he'd still be a useful squad option. Fellaini on the other hand has also had his uses as a squad player, and has scored some important goals too. I genuinely don't think that he's this colossal issue that fans make him out to be. The main issue are some of the players that are starting for us week in, week out.

 

[Adisa]

Thanks mate.

Fresh quotes from Mourinho have just surfaced. He makes some great points touching on some of my points:



Agree with everything Mourinho says here. But we need to see that reflected on the pitch. Players expressing themselves. Looking free to go forward and attack.

I hope we see that midweek vs Bournemouth. I would love to see Rashford and Martial play well and earn a start vs Spurs... I'll be at the game at Wembley. I hope we impose ourselves and get to another FA Cup Final!

This mentality is why young players struggle under him. He can't adapt.
Players develop differently.

 

[Adisa]

Who's this guy?

Does it matter who he is?
You have to question a manager that wants to sell a £90m player after two years when the player is still just 24.

 

[Adisa]

He's spent £300m. Only £75m of that has had a decent set in two years.
Give him another £200m, it will fix everything.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Does it matter who he is?
You have to question a manager that wants to sell a £90m player after two years when the player is still just 24.

Yes it does matter who he is! Any bloke off the street can say that we’re selling this or that player.
Also, Pogba is 25 years old, playing with the mentality of a teenager.
You see all those YouTube videos of skilful ball jugglers? They don’t play professional football because they don’t know how to play a team game. That’s what Pogba is like right now.