Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[Lentwood]

We are 2nd in the table averaging 2.22pts per game. We are in the FA Cup Semi-Final. We are one of only two sides to beat every team in the league this year.

Yet 54% of our fans on this thread are not happy with the manager. I can't get over it, so ungrateful

 

[Ekeke]

We are 2nd in the table averaging 2.22pts per game. We are in the FA Cup Semi-Final. We are one of only two sides to beat every team in the league this year.

Yet 54% of our fans on this thread are not happy with the manager. I can't get over it, so ungrateful

Not true at all. 27.5% of that number are happy enough with him where we are now, but if he drops out of the top 4 would want change. Its clearly written in the poll but maybe you'll get it this time.

 

[Lentwood]

Not true at all. 27.5% of that number are happy enough with him where we are now, but if he drops out of the top 4 would want change. Its clearly written in the poll but maybe you'll get it this time.

Option 2 clearly says 'we've stagnated'. How can than in any way be positive? If you got told you'd stagnated you'd be happy with that would you?

 

[Womp]

Sevilla are good team, but away from their home, they are really poor. Your excuse of bar one deflected goal ..blah ..blah does not mean anything. The fact is Bayern beat them, and Sevilla beat us quite easily in our own backyard. thats the fact, whether u like it or not, whether you accept it or not. Its surprising how you cherry picked few Sevilla's matches to show they are good completely ignoring that they are 7th in la liga.
Loss against Celta Vigo 4-0 ; Eibar 5-1 Sevilla, Sevilla 2 - 5 Atletico, Sevilla 3 - 5 Real Betis. Can you explain any of these?!

City's Wigan is different from our Sevilla loss. Wigan loss was in FA cup which is one match, our Sevilla loss was Champions league match and 2 legged. If you feel FA cup and CL is same, then i have nothing to say to you.

Regarding us being the club where player power is not issue, things change quite quickly, especially when it involves star/expensive players. People were saying we are not sacking club and in 3 years, we sacked 2. If some 2 players like, lets say Pogba and De Gea turn into him , I think Board will side with players, and kick him out.

More nonsense. Let's just completely disregard how a team was beaten right, simply because it doesn't suit the rubbish you're spouting. They have nothing left to play for in the league, their campaign is dead. To completely disregard their ability in cups is laughable and reflects in your bias. You say it's surprising I cherry picked games, yet you did the same. Why bring up the 5-2 Atleti game (which was in the league, a dead rubber for Sevilla at the time) but disregard their ability in the cups? Why not talk about the 3-1 and 2-1 victories for Sevilla over Atleti?

A team supposedly terrible away from home, yet one in which Bayern couldn't break down at the Allianz. Completely disregarding how they won is laughable, especially when Bayern are one of the best teams on the planet, who for all intents and purposes, bar a huge slice of luck, could have been on thin ice against Sevilla. One of the best teams on the planet and imo the remaining favourites to win it, only managed to get through on a single goal over two legs against a team that is supposedly shite according to many on here.

This isn't even taking into account the 2-2 draw with Barcelona, the countless times they've beaten Liverpool, Atleti etc. They are a cup team, using their results in a league format when they have no chance of winning and for the most part are dead rubber games is so short sighted.

Your post is riddled with bias. SAF was accountable for terrible one off's like this countless times, as I've mentioned. So too has every manager. I don't think Mourinho gives a feck if the media 'turns on him' because of one off games that happen to all managers, they don't like him anyway. He'd be putting as much pressure on himself as anybody.

I'm not even going to get involved in the argument about the players not backing him. If you genuinely watched the reaction in the second half against City and came to the conclusion that the players aren't backing him, i'm no longer interested in having a discussion with you. Players who want their managers sacked don't bust their bollocks like that. Losing the game in that fashion, gifting the title to City would have been as good a message to send from the players had they been unhappy with the direction the club was going in.

 

[Ekeke]

Option 2 clearly says 'we've stagnated'. How can than in any way be positive? If you got told you'd stagnated you'd be happy with that would you?

If we stagnate at 2nd place yes.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Option 2 clearly says 'we've stagnated'. How can than in any way be positive? If you got told you'd stagnated you'd be happy with that would you?

The poll is absolutely dire though, I said this at the start. Who on Earth created it with such awful options? Where was the option of:

”We’ve made improvements but he still has a long way to go and needs to improve in some areas. Keep if in top 4, sack if we drop out”.

Adding the world stagnated & making the entire option negative (mention of sack) was a terrible idea.

 

[Hawks2008]

We are 2nd in the table averaging 2.22pts per game. We are in the FA Cup Semi-Final. We are one of only two sides to beat every team in the league this year.

Yet 54% of our fans on this thread are not happy with the manager. I can't get over it, so ungrateful

So you think this season is perfect then? Progress has been made for sure but I feel as if he can get more out of this group. Going out against Sevilla is a stain on the season, not only because of actually going out but also due to the manner of it (insipid and passive approach). If we fail to win the FA cup then i believe that would be another stain on the season. He's done a good job to get us in the position he has (the best we've been post-SAF) but I do have questions of him, one of them being how far will we actually go under his leadership?

 

[Garethw]

With the amount of money we have spent post SAF, we should never have fell outside of the CL places in the first place. Moyes and LVG were massive failures despite having squads good enough to challenge.

We had another dreadful league campaign under Mourinho last season that was saved by the Europa league win.

Many on here are lauding Mourinho as some kind of genius for leading us to a second place finish when in reality it should be the bare minimum expectation after the money spent and the players at his disposal. I’d be expecting pretty much any manager to achieve the same after this level of expenditure.

The jury is massively out on Mourinho. He needs to get us playing better and his approach in that game against Sevilla was absolutely disgraceful. It was cowardly and not something I ever want to witness again during a home tie.

 

[NinjaFletch]

The poll is absolutely dire though, I said this at the start. Who on Earth created it with such awful options? Where was the option of:

”We’ve made improvements but he still has a long way to go and needs to improve in some areas. Keep if in top 4, sack if we drop out”.

Adding the world stagnated & making the entire option negative (mention of sack) was a terrible idea.

Agreed, it's terrible.

 

[breakout67]

Only in this thread can someone try to make Wigan look like world beaters and Sevilla a pub team...just to bash the manager.

 

[Hawks2008]

Only in this thread can someone try to make Wigan look like world beaters and Sevilla a pub team...just to bash the manager.

Sevilla aren't a pub team but we had the players to hurt them, and instead we showed no ambition to go through to the next stage in either of the two games. How can you not take issue with his approach to that tie?

 

[breakout67]

Sevilla aren't a pub team but we had the players to hurt them, and instead we showed no ambition to go through to the next stage in either of the two games. How can you not take issue with his approach to that tie?

Who said I didnt?

It is undeniable that Sevilla are not the worst team we lost to this season. Huddersfield, Newcastle and Bristol City are worse.

It is also undeniable that beating Wigan is far easier than beating Sevilla.

I simply take issue with people making things up to justify an agenda. We played shite against Sevilla, and the manager got the tactics wrong. You don't have to start lying about other things for that to be a fact.

 

[King Kana]

And if he indeed falls out with players like he always does, will you hold your hand up?

At United, he is just having it easier because we do not have many commanding senior player like Ramos who can go head to head against Jose.

So which is it? Has he fallen out with players here or not? Mate, with due respect, it is very odd to not only harbor preconceived hate for your own manager, but to carry on like this when he is improving your team and clearly all the players are happy with his work reeks of poor support. You are currently not supporting your own club and you are doing nothing but sowing discontent where there’s isnt any.

Something to think about.

 

[Swift Football]

Because they are a cup team. They had not a lot to play for in the league but cared more about CL quite simple.

Real Madrid by the same logic was defeated by a lot of teams like Girona and all. Yet they thrashed the likes of PSG and Juve. Why? Because they had/have nothing to play for in the league. Whereas CL is different.

If you need explaining why teams who struggle in the league can be better in the cups, then I have nothing to say to you.

What a load of nonsense.
So just because they are prioritising cups do not excuse us to fall flat completely. 32 teams start in the CL , among that at least 20 teams have nothing to play for. By your logic , it is fine to get knocked out against one of those sides because they are prioritising cup!!

 

[prath92]

What a load of nonsense.
So just because they are prioritising cups do not excuse us to fall flat completely. 32 teams start in the CL , among that at least 20 teams have nothing to play for. By your logic , it is fine to get knocked out against one of those sides because they are prioritising cup!!

You wanted an explanation for why Sevilla has been abysmal in the league but good in the CL. That is the answer. It’s not some alien concept for gods sake. Chelsea in 11/12, Liverpool in 04/05 are all examples.

 

[Swift Football]

More nonsense. Let's just completely disregard how a team was beaten right, simply because it doesn't suit the rubbish you're spouting. They have nothing left to play for in the league, their campaign is dead. To completely disregard their ability in cups is laughable and reflects in your bias. You say it's surprising I cherry picked games, yet you did the same. Why bring up the 5-2 Atleti game (which was in the league, a dead rubber for Sevilla at the time) but disregard their ability in the cups? Why not talk about the 3-1 and 2-1 victories for Sevilla over Atleti?

A team supposedly terrible away from home, yet one in which Bayern couldn't break down at the Allianz. Completely disregarding how they won is laughable, especially when Bayern are one of the best teams on the planet, who for all intents and purposes, bar a huge slice of luck, could have been on thin ice against Sevilla. One of the best teams on the planet and imo the remaining favourites to win it, only managed to get through on a single goal over two legs against a team that is supposedly shite according to many on here.

This isn't even taking into account the 2-2 draw with Barcelona, the countless times they've beaten Liverpool, Atleti etc. They are a cup team, using their results in a league format when they have no chance of winning and for the most part are dead rubber games is so short sighted.

Your post is riddled with bias. SAF was accountable for terrible one off's like this countless times, as I've mentioned. So too has every manager. I don't think Mourinho gives a feck if the media 'turns on him' because of one off games that happen to all managers, they don't like him anyway. He'd be putting as much pressure on himself as anybody.

I'm not even going to get involved in the argument about the players not backing him. If you genuinely watched the reaction in the second half against City and came to the conclusion that the players aren't backing him, i'm no longer interested in having a discussion with you. Players who want their managers sacked don't bust their bollocks like that. Losing the game in that fashion, gifting the title to City would have been as good a message to send from the players had they been unhappy with the direction the club was going in.

Complete nonsense. Just because Sevilla prioritised cup, it's okay to fall flat like we did? Ever wondered why they do not have anything to play in the league - I will tell you because they are poor and they could not even fight for top 4 in la liga.
Maybe you do not know what away goal rule is, but Sevilla needed 2 goals to go through at Allianz arena, that's not a thin line.

SAF had one off games like this, the difference is SAF has total authority and nobody dares to question him. But with Jose, if players who Jose bought at crazy prices turn on him, Jose will be in a difficult situation. It's easy for board to sack manager than risking falling out with 2/3 players.

 

[Swift Football]

So which is it? Has he fallen out with players here or not? Mate, with due respect, it is very odd to not only harbor preconceived hate for your own manager, but to carry on like this when he is improving your team and clearly all the players are happy with his work reeks of poor support. You are currently not supporting your own club and you are doing nothing but sowing discontent where there’s isnt any.

Something to think about.

You assume a lot mate. Can you point out in any of my posts where I said we have not progressed under Jose.

If questioning manager is equal to not supporting club, then 95% of fans are not supporting club in last 3 years.

There are signs of discontent. Jose 'Will' ultimately fall out with players.

Jose should have taken blame for Sevilla game , but instead he went to paranoia and did some weird press conferences. He usually cracks up when things do not go his way.

 

[Swift Football]

You wanted an explanation for why Sevilla has been abysmal in the league but good in the CL. That is the answer. It’s not some alien concept for gods sake. Chelsea in 11/12, Liverpool in 04/05 are all examples.

No I did not needed any explanation, it was you who was desperately trying to explain something without any reasoning.
We lost because we were pi** poor and Jose's tactics were as poor as it could get.

Ever wondered why Sevilla has nothing to play for in the league at the first place? Because they are poor away from home all season and we were even poorer against them in 2 legged tie.

 

[prath92]

No I did not needed any explanation, it was you who was desperately trying to explain something without any reasoning.
We lost because we were pi** poor and Jose's tactics were as poor as it could get.

Ever wondered why Sevilla has nothing to play for in the league at the first place? Because they are poor away from home all season and we were even poorer against them in 2 legged tie.

Mate you are having a mare in this thread. Cup teams are not an alien concept. Even in this season you have AS Roma who are 4th in Serie A but thrashed Barcelona to win a two legged QF.

Your point in the initial post was that Sevilla was horrible in their league so should have been easily beaten. The simple point is that they have nothing to play for so they went all in on CL. Even against Bayern, they played really well and were perhaps unlucky to lose in the first leg. They also managed a draw against Bayern at Munich and Bayern are a much better team than us. Sevilla are a top 4 team who are underachieving in the league.

It doesn’t excuse our defeat but your point is stupid.

 

[King Kana]

No I did not needed any explanation, it was you who was desperately trying to explain something without any reasoning.
We lost because we were pi** poor and Jose's tactics were as poor as it could get.

Ever wondered why Sevilla has nothing to play for in the league at the first place? Because they are poor away from home all season and we were even poorer against them in 2 legged tie.

So how come Bayern couldn’t be beat them at home? How come it took a Sevilla own goal for a Bayern win? The point is Sevilla arent as bad as you are deluding yourself to believe. Losses to “lesser” teams happen to every club and they will happen to your club again.
The sooner you get that in your mind and actually begin to support you club the better.

All this hatred for your manager is unbecoming and isn’t the United way.

 

[edgar allan]

So how come Bayern couldn’t be beat them at home? How come it took a Sevilla own goal for a Bayern win? The point is Sevilla arent as bad as you are deluding yourself to believe. Losses to “lesser” teams happen to every club and they will happen to your club again.
The sooner you get that in your mind and actually begin to support you club the better.

All this hatred for your manager is unbecoming and isn’t the United way.

Nobody is complaining that we got knocked out by Sevilla, if we had given them a game and lost out then fair enough.
The cowardly defensive approach that we took to both legs of that game is what was so embarrassing. It was destined to fail and it did.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

So many people still dwelling on Sevilla. It’s not healthy. It’s been dissected to death and at some point you’ve got to move on.
Look for a positive future, instead of drowning in the negatives.

 

[Swift Football]

Mate you are having a mare in this thread. Cup teams are not an alien concept. Even in this season you have AS Roma who are 4th in Serie A but thrashed Barcelona to win a two legged QF.

Your point in the initial post was that Sevilla was horrible in their league so should have been easily beaten. The simple point is that they have nothing to play for so they went all in on CL. Even against Bayern, they played really well and were perhaps unlucky to lose in the first leg. They also managed a draw against Bayern at Munich and Bayern are a much better team than us. Sevilla are a top 4 team who are underachieving in the league.

It doesn’t excuse our defeat but your point is stupid.

That's the point. More important thing for us is why we dint turn up at all against them?

This notion that we are inferior to Sevilla is fed by Jose, and totally false. You seem to be happily labelling every team that won any tie as cup team. So Roma are cup team, they must be winning CL this season, what do you think?

 

[Swift Football]

So how come Bayern couldn’t be beat them at home? How come it took a Sevilla own goal for a Bayern win? The point is Sevilla arent as bad as you are deluding yourself to believe. Losses to “lesser” teams happen to every club and they will happen to your club again.
The sooner you get that in your mind and actually begin to support you club the better.

All this hatred for your manager is unbecoming and isn’t the United way.

You are talking as if Sevilla conceded last min own goal and lost the tie. Remember they had to score twice at Allianz arena to go through, that's not difficult to understand is it.

And you are reinforcing my point that they are really poor away from home, and hence why they are 7th in their league at the first place.

People are treating Sevilla as if they have won last 5 CLs in a row!!

 

[King Kana]

You are talking as if Sevilla conceded last min own goal and lost the tie. Remember they had to score twice at Allianz arena to go through, that's not difficult to understand is it.

And you are reinforcing my point that they are really poor away from home, and hence why they are 7th in their league at the first place.

People are treating Sevilla as if they have won last 5 CLs in a row!!

This is like arguing with a wall but i’ll give it one last go. Sevilla are NOT a bad team. Hence why Bayern couldn’t beat them at the Allianz. United lost to them, it happens and it’ll happen again. It is by no means a reason to want your manager hung drawn and quartered. Try to get over it lad. Ta.

And while you’re at it, get out and enjoy life a bit lad. United have had more positives than negatives this season, considering the last few years so do try to enjoy it and not constantly keep looking for something to be utterly miserable about.

 

[Swift Football]

This is like arguing with a wall but i’ll give it one last go. Sevilla are NOT a bad team. Hence why Bayern couldn’t beat them at the Allianz. United lost to them, it happens and it’ll happen again. It is by no means a reason to want your manager hung drawn and quartered. Try to get over it lad. Ta.

And while you’re at it, get out and enjoy life a bit lad. United have had more positives than negatives this season, considering the last few years so do try to enjoy it and not constantly keep looking for something to be utterly miserable about.

Bayern dint need to score goals at Allianz. Sevilla needed 2 goals to go through, Is it really that difficult to understand?!

And again, you have just added by yourself that I want my manager to be sacked right now . There is a difference in wanting that and saying Jose will finally fall out with players here and will be kicked out.

United definitely have positives this season, unlike Abramovich's toy.

 

[haram]

People still crying about Sevilla. Shut up and enjoy the rest of the season.

 

[Swift Football]

People still crying about Sevilla. Shut up and enjoy the rest of the season.

This is Jose assessment thread and Sevilla was important part of our season. Many people were considering Sevilla as the most important match till that point of the season, so dont you feel its stupid to forget that while assessing Jose? Or you are one of them who cannot remember anything other than last week?

 

[sunama]

Mate, with due respect, it is very odd to not only harbor preconceived hate for your own manager, but to carry on like this when he is improving your team and clearly all the players are happy with his work reeks of poor support. You are currently not supporting your own club and you are doing nothing but sowing discontent where there’s isnt any.

Something to think about.

Well said.

I've been saying this for a while now, whereby alleged "fans" of MUFC, do nothing but berate our manager and players. Even Woodward gets flack.
Meanwhile, these same people praise Pep and MCFC.
There are also some who say that watching us play is torture. The match day threads have a lot of people hurling abuse at our own team.
The question arises that if they hate our team so much, why bother watching them?

My belief is that these are not MUFC fans, but probably MCFC or LFC fans, who are making accounts on here, to spread negativity towards MUFC, while being positive towards our rivals.
I think it was a fantastic idea where some users have had "MCFC Lover" or "Scouse Lover" printed across their usernames. This way, we can identify them as having agendas against MUFC.

Jose and our players have done a fantastic job this season and last. 2 trophies last season and we have slowly improved and are now ready to challenge for the title next season. Only MCFC's record breaking exploits were able to prevent us from winning the title this season. In other years, our points total would've been good enough to win the title. League-wise, since SAF left, this has been our best season and I expect another improvement next season, which should be good enough to clinch the title.

 

[prath92]

That's the point. More important thing for us is why we dint turn up at all against them?

This notion that we are inferior to Sevilla is fed by Jose, and totally false. You seem to be happily labelling every team that won any tie as cup team. So Roma are cup team, they must be winning CL this season, what do you think?

We are not inferior but Sevilla aren’t a pub team either like you insinuated in your post with the other league results which is immaterial. Pretty simple. Losing to Sevilla while disappointing isn’t even the worst exit for united in the last 10 years

I have clearly explained what a cup team is in the previous post. Your comprehension skills are average at best. Try again

 

[Kag]

To his credit I think we've reacted very well to the Sevilla debacle. The football has been better and the results have been excellent.

The FA Cup tie, when it matters, will be another big test of our capabilities, but until then I think it's fair to say we've done well recently. Our season could have fallen of a cliff after that game.

 

[haram]

This is Jose assessment thread and Sevilla was important part of our season. Many people were considering Sevilla as the most important match till that point of the season, so dont you feel its stupid to forget that while assessing Jose? Or you are one of them who cannot remember anything other than last week?

He made mistakes. Get over it.

Some people are dying for Mourinho to fail at United. fecking disgust me.

 

[King Kana]

Well said.

I've been saying this for a while now, whereby alleged "fans" of MUFC, do nothing but berate our manager and players. Even Woodward gets flack.
Meanwhile, these same people praise Pep and MCFC.
There are also some who say that watching us play is torture. The match day threads have a lot of people hurling abuse at our own team.
The question arises that if they hate our team so much, why bother watching them?

My belief is that these are not MUFC fans, but probably MCFC or LFC fans, who are making accounts on here, to spread negativity towards MUFC, while being positive towards our rivals.
I think it was a fantastic idea where some users have had "MCFC Lover" or "Scouse Lover" printed across their usernames. This way, we can identify them as having agendas against MUFC.

Jose and our players have done a fantastic job this season and last. 2 trophies last season and we have slowly improved and are now ready to challenge for the title next season. Only MCFC's record breaking exploits were able to prevent us from winning the title this season. In other years, our points total would've been good enough to win the title. League-wise, since SAF left, this has been our best season and I expect another improvement next season, which should be good enough to clinch the title.

This is my last post (of my daily 5 allocation) and I have the option of replying Swift Football’s possible dross or praising you for actually supporting your football club. The latter it is then.

Man City’s runaway success has totally brainwashed a lot of the United contingent to the point of delusion and/or bitterness when in reality the coach is doing a good job improving the squad, getting rid of dross from yesteryear and getting closer to being the team to beat. How some refuse to acknowledge that is beyond me.

Anyway good post. I’ll be back after midnight UK time. Cheers.

 

[SirAF]

This is Jose assessment thread and Sevilla was important part of our season. Many people were considering Sevilla as the most important match till that point of the season, so dont you feel its stupid to forget that while assessing Jose? Or you are one of them who cannot remember anything other than last week?

 

[Swift Football]

We are not inferior but Sevilla aren’t a pub team either like you insinuated in your post with the other league results which is immaterial. Pretty simple. Losing to Sevilla while disappointing isn’t even the worst exit for united in the last 10 years

I have clearly explained what a cup team is in the previous post. Your comprehension skills are average at best. Try again

Earlier you were saying how can we win when Sevilla decided they will turn up for that game and they are a cup side. After all Sevilla have won last 4 of the 5 CL titles , and the one that they dint win was because they 'decided' to give it a rest, ohh wait!!

Can you answer how many cup teams were there out of 32 teams in CL this season.

 

[Swift Football]

Open your eyes.

This is my last post (of my daily 5 allocation) and I have the option of replying Swift Football’s possible dross or praising you for actually supporting your football club. The latter it is then.

Man City’s runaway success has totally brainwashed a lot of the United contingent to the point of delusion and/or bitterness when in reality the coach is doing a good job improving the squad, getting rid of dross from yesteryear and getting closer to being the team to beat. How some refuse to acknowledge that is beyond me.

Anyway good post. I’ll be back after midnight UK time. Cheers.

Have you actually watched United-Sevilla game ? Be honest.
If you have watched, and choose between one of these two, what will you choose.
United were horrible. Or Sevilla were great?

 

[prath92]

Earlier you were saying how can we win when Sevilla decided they will turn up for that game and they are a cup side. After all Sevilla have won last 4 of the 5 CL titles , and the one that they dint win was because they 'decided' to give it a rest, ohh wait!!

Can you answer how many cup teams were there out of 32 teams in CL this season.

Never said that. I simply said that comparing league and CL performances make no sense simply because they were a cup team

I stand corrected. Your comprehension skills are really poor

 

[Swift Football]

Never said that. I simply said that comparing league and CL performances make no sense simply because they were a cup team

I stand corrected. Your comprehension skills are really poor

And your reasoning is pi** poor. How many teams outside of top 2 in their respective leagues have won domestic cups or CL in last 10 years? I am sure very few. As per your logic, there should be many because other than top 2 teams in the league are cup teams and they have nothing to play for in the league!!!!

League rank does not lie and it is not without a reason why Sevilla are 7th in the league. No matter how you want to twist it, the fact is Sevilla is not good enough to be higher in the league. They are no Pub team, and i never said that, maybe your comprehensive skills are not good either. But Sevilla are no CL winners either.

Also, you dint answer my earlier question - how many cup teams were there out of 32 teams in CL this season?
A simple question for you - Who do you think is better - Us or Sevilla?

 

[lewwoo]

Need to be entertained more next season and im counting on him delivering with one more window to get in the final parts of the jigsaw. I would settle for second again and further in champions league if we play entertaining football or at least not sit back on one goal leads. To be fair we seem to have improved lately but some of the football in the first half of the season was so frustrating to watch.

 

[Borden]

I wonder if the people who said that we had a better season than Spurs last year because we won two shite trophies while they finished second will say that we’ve had a worse season this year if we don’t win the FA cup.

I doubt it.